[Boxing] Mario Barrios vs Manny Pacquiao WBC Welterweight Title - July 19

[TravelMug]

Two weeks more to go and we will see if Manny still has it to defeat a young boxer in Barrios. So far no movement in the betting odds, Barrios is still the heavy favorites to win this fight.

Yes, nothing’s really changed and probably won’t.. Pacquiao is already way past his prime, and Barrios is the defending champ. But for fun, I’d still take that 3.2 odds on Pacman. I’m just hoping more betting markets open up for this fight, like knockout by round range. I’m really curious what the odds would be for a Pacman KO between rounds 1-3. I’d definitely consider that too once it’s available.

Pacman by KO is 6.00 and By Decision is 8.20.
I'm tempted to Pac by Decision. If he ain't the kind of fighter the way he used to but still can defend himself and box heavy. It might just e possible to see him win by decision.

I think that is a good bet, specially by knockout, we have seen that Barrios has been crack before, although it's not at 147 lbs. Tank Davis has tested that chin before and so is Keith Thurman. If Pacman as we have seen in his training videos is really that hungry and still has his God given power and speed, for sure he might caught Barrios several times in this fight and there could be a good a time that he might score that vaunted knockout and win by that odds.

However Barrios being the younger guy while also have the hands that can KO. Its also possible that he will win by Decision. I'm not sure if he can KO Pacman.

I don't think he is known as a KO artist. And again as I have said, if he steps on his game, he usually loses, like those two big fights he got. And age is just a numbers, we have seen some huge comeback thru boxing history and maybe Pacman will have one of those nights wherein he is destined to win by decision or by knockout.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Two weeks more to go and we will see if Manny still has it to defeat a young boxer in Barrios. So far no movement in the betting odds, Barrios is still the heavy favorites to win this fight.

Yes, nothing’s really changed and probably won’t.. Pacquiao is already way past his prime, and Barrios is the defending champ. But for fun, I’d still take that 3.2 odds on Pacman. I’m just hoping more betting markets open up for this fight, like knockout by round range. I’m really curious what the odds would be for a Pacman KO between rounds 1-3. I’d definitely consider that too once it’s available.

Pacman by KO is 6.00 and By Decision is 8.20.
I'm tempted to Pac by Decision. If he ain't the kind of fighter the way he used to but still can defend himself and box heavy. It might just e possible to see him win by decision.

However Barrios being the younger guy while also have the hands that can KO. Its also possible that he will win by Decision. I'm not sure if he can KO Pacman.

Any bet on Manny will be huge for boxing fans. And I do think that there will be some of us that are going to be sentimental and might have to bet on Manny via Decision and better via KO. And if Manny won by KO it's going to be big as it will ripple on the world of boxing as he is back and becoming the oldest Welterweight champion although he holds that distinction already.

It's just that I remember the Tyson vs Paul, same feeling, we thought that Tyson has something inside of him and still can win that fight and so we bet on him as our sentimental favorite. In any case, I will not argue against those who will go and say that we can't compare them as that fight could have been rigged and manipulated and that Tyson is just there to show and collect his huge paycheck.

[Darker45]

Two weeks more to go and we will see if Manny still has it to defeat a young boxer in Barrios. So far no movement in the betting odds, Barrios is still the heavy favorites to win this fight.

Yes, nothing’s really changed and probably won’t.. Pacquiao is already way past his prime, and Barrios is the defending champ. But for fun, I’d still take that 3.2 odds on Pacman. I’m just hoping more betting markets open up for this fight, like knockout by round range. I’m really curious what the odds would be for a Pacman KO between rounds 1-3. I’d definitely consider that too once it’s available.

That's an interesting bet. Considering that Manny has only knocked out 2 opponents for the last 16 years and the last one happened against Matthysse back in 2018, which was 7 years ago, I think the odds you'd get for that bet would be 9.00 or 10.00, or probably even as high as 12.00. But it isn't impossible, so if you're betting for fun that must be a nice risk to take with a $5 or $10 bet.

I'm just considering Manny by UD. Even this is a high-risk bet.

[TopT3ns]

Any bet on Manny will be huge for boxing fans. And I do think that there will be some of us that are going to be sentimental and might have to bet on Manny via Decision and better via KO. And if Manny won by KO it's going to be big as it will ripple on the world of boxing as he is back and becoming the oldest Welterweight champion although he holds that distinction already.

It's just that I remember the Tyson vs Paul, same feeling, we thought that Tyson has something inside of him and still can win that fight and so we bet on him as our sentimental favorite. In any case, I will not argue against those who will go and say that we can't compare them as that fight could have been rigged and manipulated and that Tyson is just there to show and collect his huge paycheck.

Naturally, whenever it is about a legendary fighter like Manny, there are lots of emotions. I believe that most people would have their money on him with the optimism that he would come back to the top through a knockout. That would be such a massive thing that would be recorded in the history of boxing. But I also believe that the same was present when Tyson vs Paul appeared. All of us then were still under the impression that Tyson had a little juice left to squeeze in the surprise decision.

This is the case and we do not always get what we want simply because it is just not meant to be. We all desire the best, but there are times when boxing surprises we cannot think of. That is why it is tempting to bet on sentiment but, at the same time, we need to realize that the truth in the ring may be different. Tyson Paul definitely had a lot of questions because there was too much doubt as to whether the fight was competitive or it was just a fun match.

[bbc.reporter]

Two weeks more to go and we will see if Manny still has it to defeat a young boxer in Barrios. So far no movement in the betting odds, Barrios is still the heavy favorites to win this fight.

Yes, nothing’s really changed and probably won’t.. Pacquiao is already way past his prime, and Barrios is the defending champ. But for fun, I’d still take that 3.2 odds on Pacman. I’m just hoping more betting markets open up for this fight, like knockout by round range. I’m really curious what the odds would be for a Pacman KO between rounds 1-3. I’d definitely consider that too once it’s available.

That's an interesting bet. Considering that Manny has only knocked out 2 opponents for the last 16 years and the last one happened against Matthysse back in 2018, which was 7 years ago, I think the odds you'd get for that bet would be 9.00 or 10.00, or probably even as high as 12.00. But it isn't impossible, so if you're betting for fun that must be a nice risk to take with a $5 or $10 bet.

I'm just considering Manny by UD. Even this is a high-risk bet.

It is a high risk bet to bet on Pacman as the winner for this fight. However, similar to everyone's underestimation on him on his fight against Keith Thurman, I will not be shocked if this will be another upset to add on Pacman's record heheheh.

I also agree on your speculation on Pacman having the victory with a decision. But to bet safely on a risky bet already, it will certainly be enough to bet on Pacman.

[Yaunfitda]

Two weeks more to go and we will see if Manny still has it to defeat a young boxer in Barrios. So far no movement in the betting odds, Barrios is still the heavy favorites to win this fight.

Yes, nothing’s really changed and probably won’t.. Pacquiao is already way past his prime, and Barrios is the defending champ. But for fun, I’d still take that 3.2 odds on Pacman. I’m just hoping more betting markets open up for this fight, like knockout by round range. I’m really curious what the odds would be for a Pacman KO between rounds 1-3. I’d definitely consider that too once it’s available.

That's an interesting bet. Considering that Manny has only knocked out 2 opponents for the last 16 years and the last one happened against Matthysse back in 2018, which was 7 years ago, I think the odds you'd get for that bet would be 9.00 or 10.00, or probably even as high as 12.00. But it isn't impossible, so if you're betting for fun that must be a nice risk to take with a $5 or $10 bet.

I'm just considering Manny by UD. Even this is a high-risk bet.

It is a high risk bet to bet on Pacman as the winner for this fight. However, similar to everyone's underestimation on him on his fight against Keith Thurman, I will not be shocked if this will be another upset to add on Pacman's record heheheh.

I also agree on your speculation on Pacman having the victory with a decision. But to bet safely on a risky bet already, it will certainly be enough to bet on Pacman.

It will always be a high bet on any underdog in any sports. But the thing is that maybe some of us thinks that Manny can still pull the trigger as if he still have the hungry and the motivation to become a great champion. And we all know why they target Barrios in the first place, he is the weakest amongst the champion and so they might have thought that this could be a good fight for Manny as his style will be in total contrast on Barrios and Manny has always been the smallest in his every fight at 147 lbs. But this could be his advantage too. So might be good to bet on the underdog and if the fight goes to distance, Manny's chance will be higher to win.

[bbc.reporter]

@Yaunfitda. Pacman's advantage has always been his speed. This will very much depend on how steong are his knees. If he can maintain the strength of his knees for 12 rounds, he will certainly have a bigger chance than the expectation of the oddsmakers.

In any case, for this bet on Pacman I do not care if I will lose because being a fan, this might be the last time I can bet on him hehehehe.

[Dave1]

Two weeks more to go and we will see if Manny still has it to defeat a young boxer in Barrios. So far no movement in the betting odds, Barrios is still the heavy favorites to win this fight.

Yes, nothing’s really changed and probably won’t.. Pacquiao is already way past his prime, and Barrios is the defending champ. But for fun, I’d still take that 3.2 odds on Pacman. I’m just hoping more betting markets open up for this fight, like knockout by round range. I’m really curious what the odds would be for a Pacman KO between rounds 1-3. I’d definitely consider that too once it’s available.

That's an interesting bet. Considering that Manny has only knocked out 2 opponents for the last 16 years and the last one happened against Matthysse back in 2018, which was 7 years ago, I think the odds you'd get for that bet would be 9.00 or 10.00, or probably even as high as 12.00. But it isn't impossible, so if you're betting for fun that must be a nice risk to take with a $5 or $10 bet.

I'm just considering Manny by UD. Even this is a high-risk bet.

And also considering that Manny when he moves up losses his knockout ability until that Matthysse fight, then maybe the odd makes are trapping us with that huge odds for a KO? Good discussion though as we will be having fight week already and so some of us might have been contemplating on what will be the best course of action for a good bet.

But for me same, I will also consider Manny by UD. But let's see, maybe most of us might also goes to that bet and so it might trim down leading to the fight. As long though as we can make more than double our money with that beat then it's good.

[Yaunfitda]

@Yaunfitda. Pacman's advantage has always been his speed. This will very much depend on how steong are his knees. If he can maintain the strength of his knees for 12 rounds, he will certainly have a bigger chance than the expectation of the oddsmakers.

In any case, for this bet on Pacman I do not care if I will lose because being a fan, this might be the last time I can bet on him hehehehe.

I reckon he can sustain for full 12 rounds, Manny is not known to have week stamina or knees, although there was fight that he had cramps in his tree trunk legs and calves but it could be due to poor rehydration. As for the speed, yes that's always his advantage in his every fight. But the thing is that even if his opponents know that he has that speed, they really downplayed it to the point that they don't believed it. But during the fight we all know that speed kills and all of his opponents eats their word after. Hopefully Barrios will not fall for that trap, otherwise he will be the next victim and say that he can't see where the punches are coming from. It might not be as hard, but the speed and overtime they will be soften up by Manny in 12 rounds and then win by decision.

[Taskford]

@Yaunfitda. Pacman's advantage has always been his speed. This will very much depend on how steong are his knees. If he can maintain the strength of his knees for 12 rounds, he will certainly have a bigger chance than the expectation of the oddsmakers.

In any case, for this bet on Pacman I do not care if I will lose because being a fan, this might be the last time I can bet on him hehehehe.

Yeah but expect a decline since he's not young anymore and provably that he can't do those things that we used to see when he's on prime. But no doubt the power still their and provably the main advantage of Pacquaio is his experience on facing lots of big opponents in the scene.

But let see if he can sustain that 12 rounds since its questionable if he's still in good shape if the fight would last that long. I want to see Pacquaio win this fight since this is really huge comeback for him especially if he manage to win against Barrios.

[lionheart78]

It's just that I remember the Tyson vs Paul, same feeling, we thought that Tyson has something inside of him and still can win that fight and so we bet on him as our sentimental favorite. In any case, I will not argue against those who will go and say that we can't compare them as that fight could have been rigged and manipulated and that Tyson is just there to show and collect his huge paycheck.

I also have a feeling that the Tyson vs Paul match is scripted, but regardless of the result, I am happy for Mike Tyson that he is able to bag a good amount of money at his age, and that is thanks to Paul.  No one was hurt, and the old guy had earned a good amount of money. it is a win win scenario for both of them.

About the discussed upcoming fight, I think this will tell if Manny still has it or it is time for him to completely hang up his gloves.  I hope that no one got hurt in this fight. I am hoping that Manny wins this fight, but if not, it is fine as long as the boxers are fine after the fight.

[terrific]

I also have a feeling that the Tyson vs Paul match is scripted, but regardless of the result, I am happy for Mike Tyson that he is able to bag a good amount of money at his age, and that is thanks to Paul.  No one was hurt, and the old guy had earned a good amount of money. it is a win win scenario for both of them.

I have thought of the same with that match of Tyson and Paul. It's all for the money as long as Paul wins so that he's getting the glory.
While for Tyson, he's getting the money and at that age, making that quick money is easy and he can enjoy that for the rest of his life.
He's got a good body but it's totally different if they're going to take it seriously for his fight.

About the discussed upcoming fight, I think this will tell if Manny still has it or it is time for him to completely hang up his gloves.  I hope that no one got hurt in this fight. I am hoping that Manny wins this fight, but if not, it is fine as long as the boxers are fine after the fight.

Many are counting for Manny and I think that Barrios said that he's studying the knockout punch of Marquez that has KOed him.

[Sanitough]

I also have a feeling that the Tyson vs Paul match is scripted, but regardless of the result, I am happy for Mike Tyson that he is able to bag a good amount of money at his age, and that is thanks to Paul.  No one was hurt, and the old guy had earned a good amount of money. it is a win win scenario for both of them.

Consider the possibility that this exhibition fight is scripted, much like pro wrestling. The main reason people are watching is because of Mike Tyson,  he’s the draw. But as we all know, Tyson is already old, and Jake Paul could probably knock him down easily if it were a real fight. But of course, that wouldn’t be good for the show, it’s not what’s written in the script.

About the discussed upcoming fight, I think this will tell if Manny still has it or it is time for him to completely hang up his gloves.  I hope that no one got hurt in this fight. I am hoping that Manny wins this fight, but if not, it is fine as long as the boxers are fine after the fight.

If Manny just manages to survive the full fight, that's already a big win in itself,  considering his age and the gap in activity. But if he somehow pulls off a win, that would shock the world and definitely bring his name back into the spotlight. It could even be another historic moment for him, proving once again that he's built different.

[bbc.reporter]

@Yaunfitda. Pacman's advantage has always been his speed. This will very much depend on how steong are his knees. If he can maintain the strength of his knees for 12 rounds, he will certainly have a bigger chance than the expectation of the oddsmakers.

In any case, for this bet on Pacman I do not care if I will lose because being a fan, this might be the last time I can bet on him hehehehe.

I reckon he can sustain for full 12 rounds, Manny is not known to have week stamina or knees, although there was fight that he had cramps in his tree trunk legs and calves but it could be due to poor rehydration. As for the speed, yes that's always his advantage in his every fight. But the thing is that even if his opponents know that he has that speed, they really downplayed it to the point that they don't believed it. But during the fight we all know that speed kills and all of his opponents eats their word after. Hopefully Barrios will not fall for that trap, otherwise he will be the next victim and say that he can't see where the punches are coming from. It might not be as hard, but the speed and overtime they will be soften up by Manny in 12 rounds and then win by decision.

Agreed that Pacman's knees can sustain  for 12 rounds, however, my argument was will his knees be very much similar to when he was younger where the footwork and speed on round 1 is sustainable until round 12. I reckon the fight against Keith  Thurman has made everyone witness that his knees are not anymore making him bouncing beginning on round 6 or 7. He cannot anymore step out quickly and avoid Thurman's punches on his head.

[Yaunfitda]

@Yaunfitda. Pacman's advantage has always been his speed. This will very much depend on how steong are his knees. If he can maintain the strength of his knees for 12 rounds, he will certainly have a bigger chance than the expectation of the oddsmakers.

In any case, for this bet on Pacman I do not care if I will lose because being a fan, this might be the last time I can bet on him hehehehe.

I reckon he can sustain for full 12 rounds, Manny is not known to have week stamina or knees, although there was fight that he had cramps in his tree trunk legs and calves but it could be due to poor rehydration. As for the speed, yes that's always his advantage in his every fight. But the thing is that even if his opponents know that he has that speed, they really downplayed it to the point that they don't believed it. But during the fight we all know that speed kills and all of his opponents eats their word after. Hopefully Barrios will not fall for that trap, otherwise he will be the next victim and say that he can't see where the punches are coming from. It might not be as hard, but the speed and overtime they will be soften up by Manny in 12 rounds and then win by decision.

Agreed that Pacman's knees can sustain  for 12 rounds, however, my argument was will his knees be very much similar to when he was younger where the footwork and speed on round 1 is sustainable until round 12. I reckon the fight against Keith  Thurman has made everyone witness that his knees are not anymore making him bouncing beginning on round 6 or 7. He cannot anymore step out quickly and avoid Thurman's punches on his head.

But he still won that fight against Thurman regardless of him being punch more in the head in the latter round. However, we can't just judge him with that one fight, if yes, then we can say that age is the major factor already. We don't want to believed that, most of us thinks that Manny can still pull the trigger and that he can still bounce from beginning to the end. Although he might have to change his strategy and not to dart in and out throughout the fight. He might carefully uses when to attack, and when to take a break and we have seen him Manny during against Thurman. He will take some short 10-15 seconds of not attacking and probably that's where we see Thurman attack and thinks that Manny doesn't have the legs anymore.

[Darker45]

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That's an interesting bet. Considering that Manny has only knocked out 2 opponents for the last 16 years and the last one happened against Matthysse back in 2018, which was 7 years ago, I think the odds you'd get for that bet would be 9.00 or 10.00, or probably even as high as 12.00. But it isn't impossible, so if you're betting for fun that must be a nice risk to take with a $5 or $10 bet.

I'm just considering Manny by UD. Even this is a high-risk bet.

And also considering that Manny when he moves up losses his knockout ability until that Matthysse fight, then maybe the odd makes are trapping us with that huge odds for a KO? Good discussion though as we will be having fight week already and so some of us might have been contemplating on what will be the best course of action for a good bet.

But for me same, I will also consider Manny by UD. But let's see, maybe most of us might also goes to that bet and so it might trim down leading to the fight. As long though as we can make more than double our money with that beat then it's good.

I admit I haven't placed my bet yet. It's just a little more than a week to go before the fight night.

Anyway, this bet is just my own way of showing support to Manny. This isn't the usual kind of bet, a confident one with profit in mind. This is for the sake of support, of cheering for a countryman. There's no denying that however we look at the match, Manny will definitely have a hard time. He's old. Although Barrios isn't anymore at the peak of his career either, he's so much younger than Manny. That means a lot in a fighting sport.

[Polkeins]

@Yaunfitda. Pacman's advantage has always been his speed. This will very much depend on how steong are his knees. If he can maintain the strength of his knees for 12 rounds, he will certainly have a bigger chance than the expectation of the oddsmakers.

In any case, for this bet on Pacman I do not care if I will lose because being a fan, this might be the last time I can bet on him hehehehe.

Not only speed but also punching power has always been Pacquiao's trump card, but if Pacman still has punching power, judging by his training, then unfortunately his speed and stamina only goes away with the years, and it should be remembered that Pacquiao is already 46 years old and he probably also wants to make some money after his political career on the Phillipines didn't work out.
I would not compare Tyson and Pacquiao, because Tyson is 15 years older and the fight with Jake Paul would be staged and here is a title fight with a boxer who is going to the ring for the last time in 2021.
I think betting on Mario Barrios is more reliable.

[stadus]

I think betting on Mario Barrios is more reliable.

Watching some of Manny's training videos actually convinced me that he won’t go down that easily. He's old, but he's clearly on a mission to prove that age is just a number. In fact, he even gave a guarantee to fans who are worried about his comeback, saying that he knows his own body and understands exactly what he's doing.

So , just for fun, I think I’ll take a shot and bet on Pacman to win ..either by decision or KO.
Two different outcomes, two bets. Why not? 

[robelneo]

I think betting on Mario Barrios is more reliable.

Watching some of Manny's training videos actually convinced me that he won’t go down that easily. He's old, but he's clearly on a mission to prove that age is just a number. In fact, he even gave a guarantee to fans who are worried about his comeback, saying that he knows his own body and understands exactly what he's doing.

So , just for fun, I think I’ll take a shot and bet on Pacman to win ..either by decision or KO.
Two different outcomes, two bets. Why not? 

Manny is good in his training; he has always been that way, but in training, you do not exhaust your body and inflict damage on it, unlike in real fights.

I have doubts about betting on Manny; he will be good in the first four rounds, but after that, he will be absorbing power punches from his young opponent, and that will have an impact on his old body.

His last fight against a Japanese looked bad; he was being beaten at will. How does that Japanese compare to Barrios, who is a champion and at the height of his power? I think Barrios is going to be the one to retire Pacquiao for good. Finally, I hope he will not be hurt.

[Polkeins]

I think betting on Mario Barrios is more reliable.

Watching some of Manny's training videos actually convinced me that he won’t go down that easily. He's old, but he's clearly on a mission to prove that age is just a number. In fact, he even gave a guarantee to fans who are worried about his comeback, saying that he knows his own body and understands exactly what he's doing.

So , just for fun, I think I’ll take a shot and bet on Pacman to win ..either by decision or KO.
Two different outcomes, two bets. Why not? 

Pacman is the only champion in 8 weight classes and definitely one of the best boxers of today, so even at 46 he can knock out many more boxers and his training is impressive.
Nevertheless Freddie Roach was against such a Pacman comeback and considering their long-standing partnership you can definitely say that he is worried about Pacman. In addition, his opponent is not just average boxer, but still a champion in this weight class and it will be more difficult to knock out such a boxer than a passable opponent.

In general, my heart would like to bet on Pacquiao, especially on a beautiful knockout, but my mind says to bet on Mario Barrios.