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[Svener]

Then why not implement Digishield?

This was brought up before when discussing the KGW.  Digishield might help even out some of these peaks, and keep small miners like myself interested(not that I'm not actively mining NLG anyway).

-Fuse

Hi Fuse,

We also looking at DGW2.

Please comment on what you guys think is better between the 2.

I have started talking to the team about this as we do want to keep our dedicated miners happy and for longterm network stability.

What happens if NLG has same network hash as Dogecoin and one day litecoin, would it make things worse or better?

[CIG]

@markanth: Your help is appreciated.
The fact that there is in total 8M+ NLG received on Gf7 and not kwowing the intensions is scary isn't it? I can't query the blockchain at the moment for the accurate received NLG. If there is another Gd adress it's even more scary. BTW I have no problem with honestly mined coins.

@CIG: I pointed cgminer at clevermining.com and logged for a few hours.. seems to correlate 100% to Gf7wGAwJGDLfoHcNCRLKZqpk2EQU5ixA6c.  see the activity log snippet below (i filtered out a lot of the garbage).  The highlighted hashes and difficulty match up to the guldencoin blocks 114389 to 114397. Clevermining switches to NLG and keeps mining NLG until crossing a high difficulty threshold.  With 120 GH of hashing power available they can churn through blocks like butter.. then switch off to something else, leaving the hardcoremining pool and others stuck mining the more difficult blocks.  I can see why honest miners would get discouraged mining NLG.  The only bright spot (for traders at least?) is the coins are likely dumped onto the market for BTC on a regular basis as clevermining has BTC payouts to make.. which I guess is a good thing as waterloo suggests?..  cheers --Mark  

PS: I'm fairly confident I got this right, but someone feel free to double check me.. i only got into crypto a few months ago so maybe I'm misinterpreting what these logs represent.

 [2014-09-09 03:18:34] New block: bdf110b6ed0742c9be99ce5b7a846fbe1b655345d72a07bd4d34bad3d0c4b95b... diff 1.04K
 [2014-09-09 03:18:44] New block: 0b7f5e13ed17539db79950388804a7f74bd50276ef508b15fbc4fe908ed91679... diff 1.18K
 [2014-09-09 03:18:54] New block: 00000000002064c64e9192a0cca9c90a4fd75a31b9113ccddfa40af6fdd6fe0a... diff 578
 [2014-09-09 03:19:56] New block: d1a0342942bae2b24836a3d88bf1f2f3481010f8a57a111380e4956272dd5eb3... diff 484
 [2014-09-09 03:20:04] New block: 3495c4d44fde97cb57d9f0286ec330be4b2df0d560e7d3f352fc8743615d6b90... diff 487
 [2014-09-09 03:20:07] New block: c37b75429e160e663a7281c76a70a29ca19c95b0e2c8ed23cfa3aca2a851e6cc... diff 488
 [2014-09-09 03:20:13] New block: 62e10980608630602ad608e64dd12cf050c6d5faba59959e70afcab49c3c017b... diff 491
 [2014-09-09 03:20:47] New block: 5847dda9ca3f2ae47e49069e248fb99086803671bd905e446da3c7f744871804... diff 489
 [2014-09-09 03:21:40] New block: f68bfd72427ca6957cdceba74e271bae2bfd285e23d6c63af3e3bdf8c3748092... diff 491
 [2014-09-09 03:22:12] New block: 38807a39c5636287dd82db21d65ce6ef582a0d833388c8183b075bb0146a0628... diff 492
 [2014-09-09 03:22:42] New block: b16bde9360ab9e530c1ee4cfe841b81b6efc14f752b603bf76da245d2bebe089... diff 26
 [2014-09-09 03:22:45] New block: 4dd83b30ce6fb71c3fe295242bf02c0566891ea6198479653ee3159570a7ef9b... diff 24
 [2014-09-09 03:22:46] New block: a7f0ac54fc70dd82cbcfa747929de7120928a718c70d575809b4f613dc6ecf4a... diff 22
 [2014-09-09 03:22:46] New block: e0ddaf56c729cc5ff0a89a8d3d5ef8e0a799cd440a5d3fcfb8a45ad2bfe128ab... diff 20
 [2014-09-09 03:22:49] New block: e63634cb74c246557006be2cf65d7dd6171265ab95644bc58fe210a0c9819331... diff 19
 [2014-09-09 03:22:51] New block: 46b062d916c1fb999e7331f9b2652c7ff615b0647c9f0961df63adc9f1f6df5a... diff 17
 [2014-09-09 03:22:51] New block: 79a7fea4a3f116d0d11637ca3a9b5908b88daef2f45c1f4c630a6d15fcd2d586... diff 16
 [2014-09-09 03:22:52] New block: bd4933f450b940761b8011e2cb975bb1b7dceb776574e713e04d3ec14798a7e9... diff 15
 [2014-09-09 03:22:53] New block: 0c8ab6b4d8aae11cf949bb7df0ae9a10f19f097b06a4de99ed3631b0703d2c84... diff 492
 [2014-09-09 03:22:56] New block: fab7f75978b4efd724915cd1f5f603d6333edbd8219fde20c493563fda1b5343... diff 12
 [2014-09-09 03:22:56] New block: e02cb1e2ee80c29c07487dbfb61aa758b5c52dce7f282b01811e3f1ca26a47f9... diff 11
 [2014-09-09 03:23:00] New block: a78577949cc102827e43476e21661e0506285a738a3bc7fa17e13b057dca68a1... diff 543
 [2014-09-09 03:23:02] New block: be29a6c639eba7132cf8bc877cd57035e6112d382073b4dc7da526b9e53c9625... diff 578
 [2014-09-09 03:23:11] New block: 99a2742a499be3946fb2ec2b4e24a767a4b863dab48a6c36deed96b9f5e9f72d... diff 37
 [2014-09-09 03:23:13] New block: acaccf3ab3652c3b87f8cee31f60972ac9fbe0c2ef176a58e4634bda4326c296... diff 40

Thank you! A switching pool like Clevermind could be it. I'm not 100% convinced right now it's Clevermind. Could be Zencloud or many more out there.
Block 114397 has timestamp 2014-09-09 05:22:51 +0200. https://explorer.guldencoin.com/#/block/a78577949cc102827e43476e21661e0506285a738a3bc7fa17e13b057dca68a1
It correspondates on timestamp to
 [2014-09-09 03:22:51] New block: 46b062d916c1fb999e7331f9b2652c7ff615b0647c9f0961df63adc9f1f6df5a... diff 17
 [2014-09-09 03:22:51] New block: 79a7fea4a3f116d0d11637ca3a9b5908b88daef2f45c1f4c630a6d15fcd2d586... diff 16

Total received by Gf7 now 8964020.49560005 NLG. Last block found while typing 114455 2014-09-09 08:14:40 +0200
https://explorer.guldencoin.com/#/transaction/7b8e6236bc85184f3dac3c313267aa32073ddbc7827151c225d0adb6b07a904a
Last send is block 14448 2014-09-09 08:10:10 +0200. Output is GQsU. It's distributed from there and I'm loosing the trail. I can go deeper, but not today.

[Svener]

@markanth: Your help is appreciated.
The fact that there is in total 8M+ NLG received on Gf7 and not kwowing the intensions is scary isn't it? I can't query the blockchain at the moment for the accurate received NLG. If there is another Gd adress it's even more scary. BTW I have no problem with honestly mined coins.

@CIG: I pointed cgminer at clevermining.com and logged for a few hours.. seems to correlate 100% to Gf7wGAwJGDLfoHcNCRLKZqpk2EQU5ixA6c.  see the activity log snippet below (i filtered out a lot of the garbage).  The highlighted hashes and difficulty match up to the guldencoin blocks 114389 to 114397. Clevermining switches to NLG and keeps mining NLG until crossing a high difficulty threshold.  With 120 GH of hashing power available they can churn through blocks like butter.. then switch off to something else, leaving the hardcoremining pool and others stuck mining the more difficult blocks.  I can see why honest miners would get discouraged mining NLG.  The only bright spot (for traders at least?) is the coins are likely dumped onto the market for BTC on a regular basis as clevermining has BTC payouts to make.. which I guess is a good thing as waterloo suggests?..  cheers --Mark  

PS: I'm fairly confident I got this right, but someone feel free to double check me.. i only got into crypto a few months ago so maybe I'm misinterpreting what these logs represent.

 [2014-09-09 03:18:34] New block: bdf110b6ed0742c9be99ce5b7a846fbe1b655345d72a07bd4d34bad3d0c4b95b... diff 1.04K
 [2014-09-09 03:18:44] New block: 0b7f5e13ed17539db79950388804a7f74bd50276ef508b15fbc4fe908ed91679... diff 1.18K
 [2014-09-09 03:18:54] New block: 00000000002064c64e9192a0cca9c90a4fd75a31b9113ccddfa40af6fdd6fe0a... diff 578
 [2014-09-09 03:19:56] New block: d1a0342942bae2b24836a3d88bf1f2f3481010f8a57a111380e4956272dd5eb3... diff 484
 [2014-09-09 03:20:04] New block: 3495c4d44fde97cb57d9f0286ec330be4b2df0d560e7d3f352fc8743615d6b90... diff 487
 [2014-09-09 03:20:07] New block: c37b75429e160e663a7281c76a70a29ca19c95b0e2c8ed23cfa3aca2a851e6cc... diff 488
 [2014-09-09 03:20:13] New block: 62e10980608630602ad608e64dd12cf050c6d5faba59959e70afcab49c3c017b... diff 491
 [2014-09-09 03:20:47] New block: 5847dda9ca3f2ae47e49069e248fb99086803671bd905e446da3c7f744871804... diff 489
 [2014-09-09 03:21:40] New block: f68bfd72427ca6957cdceba74e271bae2bfd285e23d6c63af3e3bdf8c3748092... diff 491
 [2014-09-09 03:22:12] New block: 38807a39c5636287dd82db21d65ce6ef582a0d833388c8183b075bb0146a0628... diff 492
 [2014-09-09 03:22:42] New block: b16bde9360ab9e530c1ee4cfe841b81b6efc14f752b603bf76da245d2bebe089... diff 26
 [2014-09-09 03:22:45] New block: 4dd83b30ce6fb71c3fe295242bf02c0566891ea6198479653ee3159570a7ef9b... diff 24
 [2014-09-09 03:22:46] New block: a7f0ac54fc70dd82cbcfa747929de7120928a718c70d575809b4f613dc6ecf4a... diff 22
 [2014-09-09 03:22:46] New block: e0ddaf56c729cc5ff0a89a8d3d5ef8e0a799cd440a5d3fcfb8a45ad2bfe128ab... diff 20
 [2014-09-09 03:22:49] New block: e63634cb74c246557006be2cf65d7dd6171265ab95644bc58fe210a0c9819331... diff 19
 [2014-09-09 03:22:51] New block: 46b062d916c1fb999e7331f9b2652c7ff615b0647c9f0961df63adc9f1f6df5a... diff 17
 [2014-09-09 03:22:51] New block: 79a7fea4a3f116d0d11637ca3a9b5908b88daef2f45c1f4c630a6d15fcd2d586... diff 16
 [2014-09-09 03:22:52] New block: bd4933f450b940761b8011e2cb975bb1b7dceb776574e713e04d3ec14798a7e9... diff 15
 [2014-09-09 03:22:53] New block: 0c8ab6b4d8aae11cf949bb7df0ae9a10f19f097b06a4de99ed3631b0703d2c84... diff 492
 [2014-09-09 03:22:56] New block: fab7f75978b4efd724915cd1f5f603d6333edbd8219fde20c493563fda1b5343... diff 12
 [2014-09-09 03:22:56] New block: e02cb1e2ee80c29c07487dbfb61aa758b5c52dce7f282b01811e3f1ca26a47f9... diff 11
 [2014-09-09 03:23:00] New block: a78577949cc102827e43476e21661e0506285a738a3bc7fa17e13b057dca68a1... diff 543
 [2014-09-09 03:23:02] New block: be29a6c639eba7132cf8bc877cd57035e6112d382073b4dc7da526b9e53c9625... diff 578
 [2014-09-09 03:23:11] New block: 99a2742a499be3946fb2ec2b4e24a767a4b863dab48a6c36deed96b9f5e9f72d... diff 37
 [2014-09-09 03:23:13] New block: acaccf3ab3652c3b87f8cee31f60972ac9fbe0c2ef176a58e4634bda4326c296... diff 40

Thank you! A switching pool like Clevermind could be it. I'm not 100% convinced right now it's Clevermind. Cloud be Zencloud or many more out there.
Block 11439 has timestamp 2014-09-09 05:22:51 +0200. https://explorer.guldencoin.com/#/block/a78577949cc102827e43476e21661e0506285a738a3bc7fa17e13b057dca68a1
It correspondates on timestamp to
 [2014-09-09 03:22:51] New block: 46b062d916c1fb999e7331f9b2652c7ff615b0647c9f0961df63adc9f1f6df5a... diff 17
 [2014-09-09 03:22:51] New block: 79a7fea4a3f116d0d11637ca3a9b5908b88daef2f45c1f4c630a6d15fcd2d586... diff 16

Total received by Gf7 now 8964020.49560005 NLG. Last block found while typing 114455 2014-09-09 08:14:40 +0200
https://explorer.guldencoin.com/#/transaction/7b8e6236bc85184f3dac3c313267aa32073ddbc7827151c225d0adb6b07a904a
Last send is block 14448 2014-09-09 08:10:10 +0200. Output is GQsU. It's distributed from there and I'm loosing the trail. I can go deeper, but not today.

So a switching pool and not one individual getting 9 million coins. The coins would be shared by all using that pool/s just like a normal pool?

[Wildwest]

From this day we can buy our antenna and cable stuff with Guldencoin at: http://www.beterelektro.nl/  
And since a few days at http://www.cryptogame.nl/ and https://www.101ledstrips.nl/

Everyday something new for this coin.lol

Yes, just when I thought NLG would finally have a day off from updates this merchant snuck in.lol

[CIG]

So a switching pool and not one individual getting 9 million coins. The coins would be shared by all using that pool/s just like a normal pool?

In a switchingpool the NLG (or other mined altcoins) are not spread under the miners. The payout is in BTC.
Did you see Lucjver en Kloink left Hardcoreminers last night for a while? Lucjver is back again now (respect). If that happens 1 hard block can take more than 1 hour to find. And 3 hard blocks must be mined before the diff is adjusted. No wonder people complain it takes to long for transactions to complete.

In the meantime till the problem is less a problem: can we introduce a bonus for the finder of the hardest block/day?

[ShopemNL]

CryptoGift speeding up! Working hard to finish payment module after that we will create our code system!

[pijpenstelen]

Fantastic ShopemNL !

CryptoGift speeding up! Working hard to finish payment module after that we will create our code system!

[veertje]

CryptoGift speeding up! Working hard to finish payment module after that we will create our code system!

Great Shoppem! I suppose both the NLG- and BTC-symbol will be on it?

[veertje]

Then why not implement Digishield?

This was brought up before when discussing the KGW.  Digishield might help even out some of these peaks, and keep small miners like myself interested(not that I'm not actively mining NLG anyway).

-Fuse

Hi Fuse,

We also looking at DGW2.

Please comment on what you guys think is better between the 2.

I have started talking to the team about this as we do want to keep our dedicated miners happy and for longterm network stability.

Casinocoin had implemented Digishield lately. (They changed blockreward and total blocks as well with the upgrade)
As far as I know Digishield is a good thing for stability.

[Coincookie]

CryptoGift speeding up! Working hard to finish payment module after that we will create our code system!

Absoluty love this idea!

[ShopemNL]

CryptoGift speeding up! Working hard to finish payment module after that we will create our code system!

Great Shoppem! I suppose both the NLG- and BTC-symbol will be on it?

Not sure yet, this because we are planning to accept more coins in the near future. Both symbols are widly displayed on the website though.

// Miner setback : We have trouble with our payment provider, they are not willing to accept anything that has something to do with bitcoins anymore.

[BioMike]

// Miner setback : We have trouble with our payment provider, they are not willing to accept anything that has something to do with bitcoins anymore.

I don't think anyone sees that as a problem. Who is that payment provider?

[veertje]

Not sure yet, this because we are planning to accept more coins in the near future. Both symbols are widly displayed on the website though.

I would keep it by NLG and BTC only, maybe 1 more. 

[ShopemNL]

// Miner setback : We have trouble with our payment provider, they are not willing to accept anything that has something to do with bitcoins anymore.

I don't think anyone sees that as a problem. Who is that payment provider?

Multisafepay, but i might convince them if we build in more security measures. Problem with that is that it will take longer to buy the card.

Not sure yet, this because we are planning to accept more coins in the near future. Both symbols are widly displayed on the website though.

I would keep it by NLG and BTC only, maybe 1 more.  

Yes for sure we want to keep it < 10 coins. This product will be released in holland first and after that we will go international.

At this moment i am making a blog where you can find all the updates

// Edit : Follow our Blog @ http://blog.cryptogift.eu/

[Digithusiast]

@shopem
Ziet er goed en veelbelovend uit. Wel even de spelling nalopen en die m teveel weghalen!

[ShopemNL]

@shopem
Ziet er goed en veelbelovend uit. Wel even de spelling nalopen en die m teveel weghalen!

Thanks, ja engelse spellingscontrole! Afbeelding is updated :

Zie : http://blog.cryptogift.eu/item/3/Cryptogift.html

[veertje]

English, dutch and german altcoinsection updated:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=752648.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=759915.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=738997.0

Also french by @cryptoba:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=753251.0

[Digithusiast]

Criptoe.Com could use some extra hashing power if anyone wants to lend a hand.  We've been going strong for a while now, but the added difficulty and hashrate is making block finding more sparse.  Give the pool a shot, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.

Thanks,

Fuse

OK, jumped in the criptoe.com pool. Will evaluate after 24hrs. Cheers.

[F1k]

Multisafepay, but i might convince them if we build in more security measures. Problem with that is that it will take longer to buy the card.

Why would you want to stick to that paymentprovider then? I know expected volume dictates price when you're looking for fiat paymentproviders, but I'm sure there are more who can do what you need done.

Maybe I shouldn't write their names here, but I can give you a few names in pm if you're looking around.

[ShopemNL]

Multisafepay, but i might convince them if we build in more security measures. Problem with that is that it will take longer to buy the card.

Why would you want to stick to that paymentprovider then? I know expected volume dictates price when you're looking for fiat paymentproviders, but I'm sure there are more who can do what you need done.

Maybe I shouldn't write their names here, but I can give you a few names in pm if you're looking around.

We tried several other but or there system is not what we are looking for or they are way more expensive or they have the same issue with Bitcoin.

Like mollie accepts bitcoin but they don't accept new creditcard accaptens at this moment so we can't use them. Creditcard payments are verry important for us.

We are in contact with Pay.nl to see if we can do business with them.