Don't we think is not best time for theymos to address us of using AI

[Mpamaegbu]

For people who are not fluent in English, they should find a good tool to translate their thoughts so that others can understand them easily.

I thought making posts with translators is frowned on here or has that been taken out now?

But copying a post into an AI and asking it to generate a reply is essentially plagiarism, which is prohibited here.

Oh! So that's how it's done? I must be real old school not to have figured it out since. Each time I read about using Ai on the forum, it left me with greater perplexity than it did the previous time trying to understand it. Anyway, based on that, you're right that it's dishonesty. Those who do it aren't different from plagiarists.

[KingsDen]

For people who are not fluent in English, they should find a good tool to translate their thoughts so that others can understand them easily.

I thought making posts with translators is frowned on here or has that been taken out now?

Skarais must have used the wrong words. People who are not fluent in English should rather find tools like grammarly or any text AI model to correct their grammar to make it readable and understandable. What this does is to correct spellings, punctuations and grammatical concord and not to insert any new ideas.

But copying a post into an AI and asking it to generate a reply is essentially plagiarism, which is prohibited here.

Oh! So that's how it's done? I must be real old school not to have figured it out since. Each time I read about using Ai on the forum, it left me with greater perplexity than it did the previous time trying to understand it. Anyway, based on that, you're right that it's dishonesty. Those who do it aren't different from plagiarists.

The time taken to copy a post, paste in an AI model, wait for generated reply, copy and return to the forum to paste is enough to read and reply organically. People doing it are just lazy and unwilling to learn.

[mindrust]

Using AI to correct posts is basically the same thing as using google translate to make posts and that was an offense long before AI became mainstream.

No you shouldn’t correct your grammar using external tools because otherwise we can’t get enough data on your ability to speak English.

Even between native English speakers there are many differences between their sentences and choice of words. If everybody was using a translator to make posts, all the posts would look the same.

[KingsDen]

No you shouldn’t correct your grammar using external tools because otherwise we can’t get enough data on your ability to speak English.

I don't think the forum needs any data on her users ability to speak English. Here is not a kind of English learning forum. What matters is one's ability to communicate effectively in the forum.

... If everybody was using a translator to make posts, all the posts would look the same.

Not really.
Translator doesn't really add to the message of a post, unless a poor translation tool. In this case it can only eliminate the emotion in the post or alter the tone of the post.

In all, I do not encourage the use of translators, but I think using grammarly or any other tools that will refine some bad grammar and make it readable is not a crime.

[mindrust]

No you shouldn’t correct your grammar using external tools because otherwise we can’t get enough data on your ability to speak English.

I don't think the forum needs any data on her users ability to speak English. Here is not a kind of English learning forum. What matters is one's ability to communicate effectively in the forum.

... If everybody was using a translator to make posts, all the posts would look the same.

Not really.
Translator doesn't really add to the message of a post, unless a poor translation tool. In this case it can only eliminate the emotion in the post or alter the tone of the post.

In all, I do not encourage the use of translators, but I think using grammarly or any other tools that will refine some bad grammar and make it readable is not a crime.

No we need to know if that’s your real skill. That’s why there is a rule about it. You can’t use a translator and post in other local boards where you don’t know their language as well.

The forum rules are very clear on that. Making posts using google translate or anything similar is forbidden.

You may not agree with the rule but you’ll have to comply with them

That’s not a forum where you should be learning English indeed, that’s why people who don’t know how to speak properly (or half properly at least), shouldn’t post in global.

[Onyeeze]

For people who are not fluent in English, they should find a good tool to translate their thoughts so that others can understand them easily.

I thought making posts with translators is frowned on here or has that been taken out now?

But copying a post into an AI and asking it to generate a reply is essentially plagiarism, which is prohibited here.

Oh! So that's how it's done? I must be real old school not to have figured it out since. Each time I read about using Ai on the forum, it left me with greater perplexity than it did the previous time trying to understand it. Anyway, based on that, you're right that it's dishonesty. Those who do it aren't different from plagiarists.

We have local board and English board, anyone who doesn't know how use English language to compose a text, I think such user should concentrate on local board, besides local boards are now relevant in the community, because using translator to make a post, the person is also cheating the system, because it will be difficult for a user to understand exactly the point of someone who is using a translator to make a post, secondly we need to know that not all translation that's 100% accurate, they most be a jumping of sentence and meaning, so I will say that this forum is meant for an average person who can read in English and understand and also reply with English language, the point we figured out now, is what makes some people to use AI to make a post

[DYING_S0UL]

If you believe someone is making posts using Ai then simply report them here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0) and move on. And regarding using tools to fix grammars, I personally wouldn't recommend those as they sometimes alters your own words. As a last resort you can only use the basic one, the minimal one that shows mistakes below the words, for example when we write something on the forum's postbox and it shows a little red lines.

You can use Quillbot or Grammarly to fix a few of your grammatically or vocabulary errors, but not to have it write or completely alter your text for you. We want to interact with humans, not AI chat bots, I could do that on ChatGPT if I wanted that.

Stopped using them after they integrated AI in their system. They were better without AI imo...

[mikeywith]

The forum rules are very clear on that. Making posts using google translate or anything similar is forbidden.

Mind to qoute the rule that states so?

[Free Market Capitalist]

The forum rules are very clear on that. Making posts using google translate or anything similar is forbidden.

Mind to qoute the rule that states so?

You had better add the previous sentence to the quote to understand the context:

You can’t use a translator and post in other local boards where you don’t know their language as well.

So the rule he is referring to is rule number 27.

27. Using automated translation tools to post translated content in Local boards is not allowed.

That said, mindrust is wrong:

If everybody was using a translator to make posts, all the posts would look the same.

For many years, non-native English speakers have been using these tools in the forum, which has allowed for a better written English. And no, as everyone can see not all posts look the same because online translators have improved so much that they are able to translate the nuances and style of native languages into English.

[mindrust]

If everybody was using a translator to make posts, all the posts would look the same.

For many years, non-native English speakers have been using these tools in the forum, which has allowed for a better written English. And no, as everyone can see not all posts look the same because online translators have improved so much that they are able to translate the nuances and style of native languages into English.

I actually tested this and you are right.

I wrote an English post myself, translated it to German using chatgpt and then I used AI detectors on the translation.

None of the detectors said that is AI generated.

I think that's a problem for the forum rules because now I can go pretend knowing German and post in that local board without getting detected by anybody. I can write my original post in Turkish or English, convert it to German using AI and nobody will notice.

Somehow I thought even the translations could be detected but it seems that's not the case.

[nutildah]

I'm pretty sure the detectors only work for the English language, which is why if the end result was German, its going to say "not AI generated". To be honest, I don't care about AI-generated text in other languages, at all. Probably because I don't speak those languages and don't visit those boards. Not sure how much of a problem that would actually pose, but we'll probably find out some day.

[Free Market Capitalist]

I'm pretty sure the detectors only work for the English language, which is why if the end result was German, its going to say "not AI generated". To be honest, I don't care about AI-generated text in other languages, at all. Probably because I don't speak those languages and don't visit those boards. Not sure how much of a problem that would actually pose, but we'll probably find out some day.

You're mistaken — translating from another language into English using ChatGPT doesn’t trigger AI detectors either. The difference is that when it translates, it simply acts like an enhanced online translator, whereas when it generates text on its own, it follows certain patterns that detectors pick up on. This very post was translated into English from another language using ChatGPT.

I put it in quotes because after writing the text I see that there is a detector that gives it as 100% AI generated, copyleaks, while GTPzero gives it as 92% human and quillbot as 100% human.

We will have to think about this because online translators will soon integrate AI in their translations. It's not going to be separate. At least with this result it would not qualify as AI generated following the rules in your thread. We would have to see what happens using more detectors apart from these 3.

[virasog]

I have created similar thread in naija local board Using AI to make a post in bitcointalk is prohibited I want to know the reason why people doesn't want to stop using Artifical intelligent [AI] to make a post, secondly, does it mean that someone can not make a correction without using artificial intelligence? Because some people claim that they use AI for correction of sentence, Let me assume that out of 100% of forum users almost 50% is making use of Al both lower rank and higher rank users are making use of this bot to make their post to be read able or perfect, don't we think people who is using AI is cheating the forum, I believe that theymos or one of the admin have to address this issues of AI users that's gradually taking over the community

When you say using AI for correction of sentences, does this means the use of AI tools for correction of grammatic mistakes. Well with limited use of Grammarly or some other spell checker can be used, but if you just ask such tool to re-format the full sentences for you then that is not allowed as it will regenerate those sentences to AI ones and that would be detected and classified as AI written posts. People need to understand that a few grammar mistake are tolerable provided the sentences are understandable, but the posts formatted completely by Artificial Intelligence tools is discouraged.

[_BlackStar]

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When you say using AI for correction of sentences, does this means the use of AI tools for correction of grammatic mistakes. Well with limited use of Grammarly or some other spell checker can be used, but if you just ask such tool to re-format the full sentences for you then that is not allowed as it will regenerate those sentences to AI ones and that would be detected and classified as AI written posts. People need to understand that a few grammar mistake are tolerable provided the sentences are understandable, but the posts formatted completely by Artificial Intelligence tools is discouraged.

Feeding pre-written text into a grammar checker automatically gives the tool free reign to reformat what it deems wrong. The resulting text or sentence is deemed correct - but when someone uses an AI detector and checks the post, it is confirmed to be an AI-generated post. This is what then becomes a debate because actually someone who uses a grammar checker doesn't really want to use AI to post.

Automated posting using AI is definitely not recommended and it is frowned upon - but using AI as a tool is still understandable. Some users may find it bad - but AI is rapidly evolving and this forum does not seem to be a completely anti-AI place, especially when used in certain cases.

[Onyeeze]

I have created similar thread in naija local board Using AI to make a post in bitcointalk is prohibited I want to know the reason why people doesn't want to stop using Artifical intelligent [AI] to make a post, secondly, does it mean that someone can not make a correction without using artificial intelligence? Because some people claim that they use AI for correction of sentence, Let me assume that out of 100% of forum users almost 50% is making use of Al both lower rank and higher rank users are making use of this bot to make their post to be read able or perfect, don't we think people who is using AI is cheating the forum, I believe that theymos or one of the admin have to address this issues of AI users that's gradually taking over the community

When you say using AI for correction of sentences, does this means the use of AI tools for correction of grammatic mistakes. Well with limited use of Grammarly or some other spell checker can be used, but if you just ask such tool to re-format the full sentences for you then that is not allowed as it will regenerate those sentences to AI ones and that would be detected and classified as AI written posts. People need to understand that a few grammar mistake are tolerable provided the sentences are understandable, but the posts formatted completely by Artificial Intelligence tools is discouraged.

In a norms are we supposed to use AI for correction of sentence? We are giving ourselves a future problem by using AI to correct a little mistake that we can correct with our brain, our problems is that most of us is lazy to type and they need the easiest way to make a sentence

Using AI to correct a text and to make a composition of a text  both have disadvantage, because when you master using such tools you will not make use of your brain again to make a composition, that is why people that's using AI is looking for possible means to convince us to use AI

[Ishicryptic]

I don't see the necessity of using AI to make posts on this forum because even if a member makes grammatical mistakes or doesn't present their posts in an understandable manner, other members will try and understand what they are trying to say and respond. English is not the first language of some of us and I don't see posts being trashed because of minor mistakes except that it's very clear that the post is pure trash, some will make negative comments on it and it ends there. One of the things that I love about this forum is that it prioritizes originality and making references to sources that are not yours originally. It is a place where people can get better grammatically and intellectually by interacting with experienced and knowledgeable people, come as you are without using artificial intelligence.

[Alone055]

I don't see the necessity of using AI to make posts on this forum because even if a member makes grammatical mistakes or doesn't present their posts in an understandable manner, other members will try and understand what they are trying to say and respond. English is not the first language of some of us and I don't see posts being trashed because of minor mistakes except that it's very clear that the post is pure trash, some will make negative comments on it and it ends there. One of the things that I love about this forum is that it prioritizes originality and making references to sources that are not yours originally. It is a place where people can get better grammatically and intellectually by interacting with experienced and knowledgeable people, come as you are without using artificial intelligence.

Using AI models to generate posts is less about having English as one's second language and more about being brainless and not being able to think and come up with points themselves about topics being discussed. They just don't have the basic ability to have an intellectual conversation without getting help, and since they can't have a person beside them at all times, assisting them with points and valid arguments, they resort to AI language models, because they are available for everyone, and they do what such people are looking to do.

But what these people don't understand is that these large language models are mostly only good at paraphrasing the content they are being fed, and barely add anything valuable to the generated responses. What they do is use fancy wording, correct grammar, and a better sentence structure to represent and state the same thing that has already been said in the content they are responding to.

[SamReomo]

I believe that theymos or one of the admin have to address this issues of AI users that's gradually taking over the community

Theymos has already enough work to do in order to make this forum running in its current state. The ones who use AI to generate their posts will see their fate themselves. Nutildah's thread about AI generated posts is a good weapon of this forum to take action against the members who use AI to generate posts or to fix their grammar issues.

There's no rule on this forum which says that ones bad grammar is a flaw, and to be honest no one really cares much about a user's grammar, all they care about is the content of the user. If that contest is created with human brain then even if that doesn't make much sense still that won't be as bad as plagiarism that's done by those who use AI contest generators.

[KingsDen]

I believe that theymos or one of the admin have to address this issues of AI users that's gradually taking over the community

Theymos has already enough work to do in order to make this forum running in its current state. The ones who use AI to generate their posts will see their fate themselves. Nutildah's thread about AI generated posts is a good weapon of this forum to take action against the members who use AI to generate posts or to fix their grammar issues.

The way the admins of this forum run it is excellent. Theymos understands that if he takes everything to himself just like many forums do, he will definitely breakdown. That is why he allows the community to make some certain decisions for the forum.
I am amazed how theymos never made any statements relating to AI usage in the forum.

There's no rule on this forum which says that ones bad grammar is a flaw, and to be honest no one really cares much about a user's grammar, all they care about is the content of the user. If that contest is created with human brain then even if that doesn't make much sense still that won't be as bad as plagiarism that's done by those who use AI contest generators.

When grammar becomes so unreadable, it becomes a problem to the forum members. Any person whose English is so bad should remain in their local board. But if their English is fairly good, using any good tool to improve their writing isn't a problem to me.
But someone said above that it shouldn't be accepted, such that people will not appear more intelligent than they are.

[Alone055]

Feeding pre-written text into a grammar checker automatically gives the tool free reign to reformat what it deems wrong. The resulting text or sentence is deemed correct - but when someone uses an AI detector and checks the post, it is confirmed to be an AI-generated post. This is what then becomes a debate because actually someone who uses a grammar checker doesn't really want to use AI to post.

There is a way to use tools to correct the grammar or mistakes in a text you've written yourself; you don't need to feed it to a tool and ask it to rectify it, because in that case, it might change the sentences and even words sometimes, and that's a no-go. One should use tools such as Grammarly, which allows you to correct the mistakes you make anywhere in any text box you are writing the content into, and it has different functions, but you should know which ones you need to use and which ones you don't. Specifically, when using Grammarly, you should only correct the mistakes, but if it suggests you changes in your writing, don't accept them, unless you are completely sure that the suggested change isn't going to change a lot of things, especially the words, in your sentence but will only make it sound better.

I use Grammarly myself, and my posts won't be detected as AI-generated. You can give it a try if you want.

I am amazed how theymos never made any statements relating to AI usage in the forum.

It's probably because it hasn't gotten out of hand so far. Most users posting AI-generated content are caught and given neutral tags by the DT, their posts are reported and then deleted by mods. If things start to get out of hand, he might think of something, just like how he came up with the merit system back in 2018 when spam and spammers were getting out of hand. Even though it didn't completely vanish spam and spammers from the forum, the system still did a great job of stopping undeserving users from ranking up, and that put a full stop to account farming.