You think holding make you a Bitcoiner?

[passwordnow]

If anyone buying and holding Bitcoins are not a bitconer,who is a bitconer then?.explain to the public so that others will learn
Because me I don't understand.please explain to us to enable us grab the difference between Bitcoin users and a bitconer.

No need to explain anything. if you are a bitcoin holder, then it means that you're a bitcoiner. Each person has their personal opinion about who's a bitcoiner or if they are. There is no need for any validation to say who's the bitcoiner and who's not. We're all bitcoin users and no need for other people's opinion to say that you are not even if you are holding a few of it. Even a few satoshis of holding can make you one but doesn't mean that you're going to be a long term holder, so whoever owns Bitcoin, we're all bitcoiners.

[AmaGold70]

Anyone that is holding Bitcoin is certainly a bitcoiner because for the fact that you are involved in Bitcoin related matters you are a bitcoiner and that shouldn't be argued, holding Bitcoin is enough evidence for me to tell that I am involved in the space. and what better way to enjoy Bitcoin's profit if not holding Bitcoin as an investment? Being a holder You don't need to be part of any movement to prove yourself that you are in the space already, a Bitcoin user is a holder and a holder is obviously a bitcoiner so I don't think I need the approval of any movement to succeed in my Bitcoin journey.

[minairia3]

If anyone buying and holding Bitcoins are not a bitconer,who is a bitconer then?.explain to the public so that others will learn
Because me I don't understand.please explain to us to enable us grab the difference between Bitcoin users and a bitconer.

No need to explain anything. if you are a bitcoin holder, then it means that you're a bitcoiner. Each person has their personal opinion about who's a bitcoiner or if they are. There is no need for any validation to say who's the bitcoiner and who's not. We're all bitcoin users and no need for other people's opinion to say that you are not even if you are holding a few of it. Even a few satoshis of holding can make you one but doesn't mean that you're going to be a long term holder, so whoever owns Bitcoin, we're all bitcoiners.

Yes, no need to explain anything. Whether you are a Bitcoiner or not is your decision, no one has the right to confirm or take that right away from you. Bitcoin's core philosophy is decentralized, free, egalitarian, and permissionless. Therefore, we are all the same, equal to each other.

To me, as long as someone owns bitcoin, whether a little or a lot, whether they use a custodial or noncustodial wallet, long term or short term holding. They are bitcoiners, bitcoin investors.

[reefsea]

What I can conclude when talking about the term bitcoiner is those who are involved in bitcoin-related activities.
Buying, holding and selling is an activity that occurs in bitcoin and it has become a classification in the end because we have that activity and it is directly related to bitcoin so why can't we make it a reason that we are a bitcoiner?

That is just a simple analogy made by you, when you are talking about bitcoiner you have to be involved in bitcoin-related activities it's either going to be holding or trading. The word bitcoiner shows that the party is involved in bitcoin, the moment the association is no longer there then I don't think the person should be called a bitcoiner again so the world bitcoiner is actually means involvement nothing more nothing less.

By looking at this, don't we deserve to be called bitcoiners? I think we are too focused on assuming that continuous transactions are the benchmark as the OP said.
Although indeed it is a good thing but when we talk about bitcoiners then obviously when we are already involved in bitcoin and become investors where we hold bitcoin it should already be said to be a bitcoiner.

Transacting can be a good thing but as long as we use bitcoin even if we do some transactions using bitcoin as legal tender it is very good but this classification is another part for me.
The function of bitcoin from the beginning was intended for transactions but over time its purpose has become more complex including investment. So why are we only fixated on more frequent transactions to be said to be a bitcoiner?

The case of using it as a legal tender is a matter of choice because is not everyone that will want to spend there bitcoin and personally I don't think I have intention of spending bitcoin I will rather pay in other currencies that is if they will accept than spend my asset, and some people do it out of social experiment. While some people spend it because they want to spend it. It is more explanatory than it's complexity, all what they need to do is to understand the whole process.

For us, it may be a choice but we can't ignore the fact that Satoshi made this his goal before and we can't forget that.

Whether or not to spend now is up to each individual as well as me who still really likes to make this an investment. Not that I violate the rules but precisely with this condition shows that the development of bitcoin is even more than previously expected and it is fine if we choose anything because it is still a good thing for bitcoin progress.

[AprilioMP]

Using Bitcoin for transactions is like using fiat currency, that's what Bitcoin is. But there is nothing wrong with those who only have Bitcoin as an investment asset.
It doesn't matter to me if I'm just considered an owner, not a user or a bitcoiner, because basically I personally can only be an owner, not a user, because I can't use Bitcoin other than holding and using Bitcoin as an investment.

I don't care what you mean by all that in defining it.
Just being able to use Bitcoin as an investment asset makes me happier than not having and knowing Bitcoin at all.

There are many countries where Bitcoin is not legalised that's why people can't use it for daily transactions. The best such people can do with Bitcoin is to buy it and then store it for longer duration. As far as Bitcoin issue of scalability is concerned, there are Layer 2 solutions like Lightning Network available that solves the Bitcoin problem of scalability and is beneficial for people living in regions where Bitcoin is legalised. So you can use Bitcoin for daily transactions only if it's legalised in your country and there are not many such countries so far that have legalised Bitcoin use.

This means that you, with your explanation, cannot be considered a bitcoiner by the OP. How?
As if everyone had forgotten that there are many people out there who already have everything they want through Bitcoin even though they can't spend Bitcoin like fiat currency.

In countries where Bitcoin is not legal, most already own their own homes because of Bitcoin, complete with property. There are those who already have their own vehicles because of Bitcoin.
There are those who are or are almost finished with college because of Bitcoin.
What should be the issue with the meaning of bitcoiner status as intended? If what is meant by being a Bitcoiner is being able to spend Bitcoin like fiat currency transactions, really all Bitcoin owners will do that if all countries legalize Bitcoin transactions as a means of payment.

[ColdLava40]

Does it really matter what I do with my bitcoin? I mean, bitcoin was created to serve many purposes and if any one so much wish to see it only as a means of investment, then they have their coins to do as they wish.

Just because you don't engage in the everyday transaction features of bitcoin doesn't mean you are a non bitcoiner. So long you come in contact with bitcoin, you invest, you transact or do what ever thing there is to do with bitcoin, then you are a bitcoiner. You are playing a role in the network, directly or indirectly.

[purple_sparkles]

People who own bitcoin have acquired it for their own specific reasons, each person has their own purpose. Some see it as an investment, others use it to pay for certain goods and services, some appreciate the simplicity of transferring money, and others value confidentiality. There can be many different motivations. But once we have bitcoin and use it according to our goals, we already become bitcoiners and we are part of its system.

[bubilas]

It really funny when some folks here think they are Bitcoiners just because they hold some amount of Bitcoin, anyone can buy and hold Bitcoin, thats what so many folks are practicing then they claim to be Bitcoiners. They fail to understand that Bitcoin was not just meant to be an investment, that's what many here think that Bitcoin is just an investment tool for just making profit. A true Bitcoiner doesn't just sit there with Bitcoin sleeping in your account, you need to be part of a certain movement, an action, not just about profit. How many transactions have you made in Bitcoin, how do you engage in Bitcoin beyond price and profit. You need to ask yourself this question (Am I a user or a Bitcoiner)
So my point here is that owning Bitcoin doesn't automatically make you a Bitcoiner, it just makes you someone with Bitcoin, and that's just ...uhmm I don't know, how do you feel if you realized your just a user.
What truly defines you as a Bitcoiner isnt holding, it's the doing. No big deal

Surprisingly, it's not Bitcoin that makes a true cryptocurrency enthusiast. It's an interest in cryptocurrency. So, answer me this question: who's a bigger cryptocurrency enthusiast—the one who holds 500 Bitcoins just because they're rich and don't care about the asset, or the guy who's into cryptocurrency but holds $50 worth of Bitcoin? What I'm trying to say is that the amount isn't really important. There are plenty of rich people who invested 125,000, then saw it drop to 95,000 and cursed Bitcoin. We don't need people like that. They're just stupid speculators.

[r_victory]

Holding onto Bitcoin without knowing anything about what it is, doesn't make you a Bitcoiner. I'm not saying you need to understand the "crazy" calculations used in cryptocurrency programming or the algorithms, but at least the basics, participating in discussions, interacting with the community, using it. That's how you can be considered one. But of course, all of this is relative; it's just my opinion. Everyone is welcome!   

[GeorgeJohn]

At first this is an alt account, because from what you are expressing in this thread you don't act as a newbie, you have already gathered experience here if I'm not mistaken...But from your scenarios, you are making sense, Bitcoin is not meant for investment purpose, but we all that trade Bitcoin for profit making are the one that misunderstood the objective why bitcoin were created, The main purpose why bitcoin is created is to be use as a currency, for exchanges of goods and other services, But we in this community choose to use bitcoin as investment methods instead of currency to acquire what's your needs. I observe that it will take us time to know that holding Bitcoin in order to make profit weren't the objectives of introducing Bitcoin.

It really funny when some folks here think they are Bitcoiners just because they hold some amount of Bitcoin, anyone can buy and hold Bitcoin, thats what so many folks are practicing then they claim to be Bitcoiners. They fail to understand that Bitcoin was not just meant to be an investment,
 

[Ziskinberg]

If anyone buying and holding Bitcoins are not a bitconer,who is a bitconer then?.explain to the public so that others will learn
Because me I don't understand.please explain to us to enable us grab the difference between Bitcoin users and a bitconer.

Bitcoin represents freedom, and people can use it in any way they find appropriate, as long as it doesn't break the law or harm others.

But some users consider themselves more knowledgeable about bitcoin than anyone else and they come up with their own concept of bitcoin. That's not wrong because bitcoin is freedom, but the funny thing is they want to impose that thinking on others. Anyone who doesn't think like them and doesn't use bitcoin for the same purposes as they do will not be considered a Bitcoiner by them. So spending time listening to them explain is pointless if you and they don't use bitcoin for the same purpose.

There are always those who claim better than others, more knowledgeable and skillful than others, and I think that's normal for those who sees themselves ahead compared to majority.  I won't say they're wrong, but if they know actually the real essence of bitcoin, they won't  tolerate that kind of mindset.

Yes, bitcoin is freedom, so we have all the options whether to use it as a currency or simply a too for investment. But if you consider yourself dealing in both, you're fortunate to have that kind of experience since not all of us here can use bitcoin as a mode of payment, no matter how others also want to experience.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Bitcoin represents freedom, and people can use it in any way they find appropriate, as long as it doesn't break the law or harm others.

But some users consider themselves more knowledgeable about bitcoin than anyone else and they come up with their own concept of bitcoin. That's not wrong because bitcoin is freedom, but the funny thing is they want to impose that thinking on others. Anyone who doesn't think like them and doesn't use bitcoin for the same purposes as they do will not be considered a Bitcoiner by them. So spending time listening to them explain is pointless if you and they don't use bitcoin for the same purpose.

There are always those who claim better than others, more knowledgeable and skillful than others, and I think that's normal for those who sees themselves ahead compared to majority.  I won't say they're wrong, but if they know actually the real essence of bitcoin, they won't  tolerate that kind of mindset.

Yes, bitcoin is freedom, so we have all the options whether to use it as a currency or simply a too for investment. But if you consider yourself dealing in both, you're fortunate to have that kind of experience since not all of us here can use bitcoin as a mode of payment, no matter how others also want to experience.

I don't know if those people are good or not but life is colorful, no one is the same. So trying to impose your own thoughts on others and expecting them to follow your way is completely wrong.


Not to mention, forcing people to use bitcoin however they want, it just shows they don't even understand bitcoin. They are not as smart as they think. Because bitcoin represents freedom, and even the inventor of bitcoin never had to force us to use it the way he wanted. What right do these people have to tell others how they should use Bitcoin?


To me, whether they are traders, holders, speculators or just have a few satoshis in their wallet...they are all bitcoiners. We don't need to make things complicated.

[martinex]

There are always those who claim better than others, more knowledgeable and skillful than others, and I think that's normal for those who sees themselves ahead compared to majority.  I won't say they're wrong, but if they know actually the real essence of bitcoin, they won't  tolerate that kind of mindset.

Yes, bitcoin is freedom, so we have all the options whether to use it as a currency or simply a too for investment. But if you consider yourself dealing in both, you're fortunate to have that kind of experience since not all of us here can use bitcoin as a mode of payment, no matter how others also want to experience.

The meaning of "bitcoin is freedom" here generally refers to how we interact with it, what it's used for, and where it's used after we've invested. Indeed, there's absolutely no compulsion if we like it, and if we don't, we can remain silent without unnecessary comment. To date, quite a few BTC haters still don't seem to understand its structure, let alone its content. If they do, they'll no longer view volatility as an indicator of price fluctuations.

I think if they're smart enough to read, they don't need to be specifically written about the procedures, and ultimately, they'll just say, Oh, this is the right way to use Bitcoin.

BTC doesn't need to be promoted or forced to follow, but only those seeking validation continue to do so. So, it's best to be realistic about the current situation by providing appropriate information without being selfish.

[Ever-young]

Anyone that is holding Bitcoin is certainly a bitcoiner because for the fact that you are involved in Bitcoin related matters you are a bitcoiner and that shouldn't be argued, holding Bitcoin is enough evidence for me to tell that I am involved in the space. and what better way to enjoy Bitcoin's profit if not holding Bitcoin as an investment? Being a holder You don't need to be part of any movement to prove yourself that you are in the space already, a Bitcoin user is a holder and a holder is obviously a bitcoiner so I don't think I need the approval of any movement to succeed in my Bitcoin journey.

Well not every holders are true bitcoiners IMO, like we already know, there are two types of holders, we have the short term holders and the long term holders. Both are still holders but the difference between the two types of holder is that one holds Bitcoin for a shorter period of time, while the other holds for quite a longer period of time, and those who hold for shorter term are not true holders because they’re merely looking for the what they feel is the perfect opportunity to sell and make some quick profits, while a true holder holds on for dear life, regardless of the temporary market reaction, they hold until they’ve reached their long term goals.

[nemesis_incarnate]

^ But usually their goals are the same - the results.

So what differs them is knowledge and understanding of BTC and why they do it in the first place, and how they do it too. 

[CryptoBuds]

Anyone that is holding Bitcoin is certainly a bitcoiner because for the fact that you are involved in Bitcoin related matters you are a bitcoiner and that shouldn't be argued, holding Bitcoin is enough evidence for me to tell that I am involved in the space. and what better way to enjoy Bitcoin's profit if not holding Bitcoin as an investment? Being a holder You don't need to be part of any movement to prove yourself that you are in the space already, a Bitcoin user is a holder and a holder is obviously a bitcoiner so I don't think I need the approval of any movement to succeed in my Bitcoin journey.

Well not every holders are true bitcoiners IMO, like we already know, there are two types of holders, we have the short term holders and the long term holders. Both are still holders but the difference between the two types of holder is that one holds Bitcoin for a shorter period of time, while the other holds for quite a longer period of time, and those who hold for shorter term are not true holders because they’re merely looking for the what they feel is the perfect opportunity to sell and make some quick profits, while a true holder holds on for dear life, regardless of the temporary market reaction, they hold until they’ve reached their long term goals.

If short term holders, and those looking for quick profits are not bitcoiners, then who are they? Besides, the ultimate goal of a long-term holder is just profit, nothing more. So, besides the difference in holding period(investment strategy), are there any other differences between them?
What is the concept and philosophy of bitcoin? If I remember correctly, there is no part that mentions having to hold Bitcoin for a long time, but instead the core concept and philosophy of bitcoin focuses on freedom and equality.

So in my opinion, assuming that shortterm investors are not Bitcoiners is just a one-sided and biased way of thinking.

[Graph001]

People who own bitcoin have acquired it for their own specific reasons, each person has their own purpose. Some see it as an investment, others use it to pay for certain goods and services, some appreciate the simplicity of transferring money, and others value confidentiality. There can be many different motivations. But once we have bitcoin and use it according to our goals, we already become bitcoiners and we are part of its system.

Your argument is reasonable because everyone has different reasons for coming to Bitcoin. Some come in the hope of making a profit, some want easy payments, some prefer privacy, and some just want to taste the new technology. Whatever the reason, once someone owns and uses Bitcoin, they naturally become part of the Bitcoin network. Their actions such as buying, holding, sending help keep the Bitcoin system running. But it would not be right to call someone a Bitcoiner just by owning Bitcoin. Many people just buy Bitcoin on impulse and do not use it or have any idea about it.

A true Bitcoiner is someone who understands and believes in the meaning of Bitcoin. That is, their own financial independence (independence from banks or governments), self-preservation, long-term thinking. They never panic when its price falls, and they do not chase quick profits.  They don't think of Bitcoin as the only and necessary means for them to become rich. Rather, they consider Bitcoin as a tool for long-term savings, protecting their money, and maintaining control over their own assets.

[Hamza2424]

So my point here is that owning Bitcoin doesn't automatically make you a Bitcoiner, it just makes you someone with Bitcoin, and that's just ...uhmm I don't know, how do you feel if you realized your just a user.
What truly defines you as a Bitcoiner isnt holding, it's the doing. No big deal

So you think holders have no role in the ecosystem, you must know that they contribute in scarcity, security and long term price stability, if everyone is to sell and buy continously then it might not reach to the current level it would have become an alt by now.

Holders play very important role as well, even if they don't know that, but most know it, they know they are contributing to the long term motive.

Speaking of bitcoiners who they are and what defines them I don't thin you can back your definition here, like where did you learn it from?

[₿itcoin]

So my point here is that owning Bitcoin doesn't automatically make you a Bitcoiner, it just makes you someone with Bitcoin, and that's just ...uhmm I don't know, how do you feel if you realized your just a user.
What truly defines you as a Bitcoiner isnt holding, it's the doing. No big deal

Yes, simply hodling Bitcoin will not make one a true Bitcoiner. However, in my opinion, calling all hodlers frauds distorts the true beliefs of maximalists. We believe in the sound money philosophy of Bitcoin, not its value.  Analysing every transaction is not what it means to be a Bitcoiner. Rather, it is about accepting Bitcoin as the Ultimate Monetary Layer.  Maintaining a node, putting up with market swings &  favouring Bitcoin over shitcoin are all signs of hope for a potential future rather than merely fieldwork. It is imagining a world where Bitcoin is the primary currency.

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Op has expressed himself in a way that is best known to him and being path of the trend is what shows that you are a real Bitcoin holder. Majority of the whales that are buying and holding Bitcoin are doing that just to make profits from the market. They see Bitcoin as an investment that is why they are holding it not for the true nature but for profits.

People like Saylor are the ones that are true Bitcoiners because they advocate for Bitcoin not just holding it. They talk about it and how it can make us financially independent and that is what many care to understand and not focus on buying and following the movement to full the Bitcoin adoption in the world.

Saylor & other advocates really do push the movement forward, no doubt about that but for me being a Bitcoiner doesn’t have to look the same for everyone. Not everyone is a billionaire CEO who can promote Bitcoin on a global stage some people support the ecosystem in smaller ways using BTC when they can, teaching friends & family, joining discussions or simply choosing to hold because they believe in the long term vision even it’s just a simple contribution only, it still adds up to the bigger picture and yeah a lot of whales hold mainly for profit but that’s their choice. What matters is the intention behind why you hold or why you participate, Bitcoin is open for everyone regardless if you’re a builder, an educator, a spender or even a quiet holder. For me all genuine supporters big or small are part of what makes the Bitcoin community grow.