These new EFFICIENT x11 algos everyone is talking about ?? BULLSHIT or real?

[cryptohunter]

And wheres the point at all?
Changing anything in a coins wallet shouldn't be a problem.

It's a problem of deployment.
There should be an in-app update popping up, asking

"There is a new version for your wallet, do you want to download and install it now?"

And thats about it.

look buddy you are not getting the point here, i did think you were missing the point on purpose to misguide others, however i see now you just do not understand the questions that are being asked.


try to look at these questions again and find the answers for yourself.

1. is it more efficient than qrk?
2. is it more secure than qrk?
3. is it more efficient than scrypt? or is the miner just crippled and can't use the full potential of the card?
4. are there more efficient miners already out for x11 that are more optimised?
5. is it more asic resistant that qrk?
6. is it more asic resistant that scyptN , scrypt jane
7. is it x12, x13, x99 going to be better? will we need to fork all of the coins over and over again?


just tell me some definite benefits of x11 that are real benefits not maybe beneficial but then again if the miner can be improved shown to not be beneficial at all.


come on how hard is it to sell the best solution out there right now???

[haggis]

I've seen two guys with 1.2 and 1.8 Gh/s yesterday on drk.suchpool.pw

As X11 is max triple the hashrate than scrypt, it means they have 400 to 600 MH in GPU power - except they use a more efficient software or already have X11 ASICs.

I can imagine GPU farms with 100 or 200 MH...but not with 600MH+! So currently it feels for me as we still don't have gotten the right answer here.

[precrime3]

Well you never know.... Consider half the energy costs, double the rigs xD? IDK probably are x11 ASICS... Do you think its possible to have a gpu mine each 1 algorithm of x11? Would that increase hash rate?

[IloveAnonCoin]

Let me make the question from cryptohunter more clear.....

1. is it more efficient than qrk? HOW ?
2. is it more secure than qrk? HOW ?
3. is it more efficient than scrypt? HOW ?
    or is the miner just crippled and can't use the full potential of the card? Proof ?
4. are there more efficient miners already out for x11 that are more optimised? Please give list and How ?
5. is it more asic resistant that qrk? HOW ?
6. is it more asic resistant that scyptN , scrypt jane  HOW ?
7. is it x12, x13, x99 going to be better? HOW ?
    will we need to fork all of the coins over and over again? Proof ?

[flipme]

The ASIC MOB is out in full force these days ...

Another point is, that many of the main coin core teams probably have huge orders for ASICs too.
They probably have been bribed and been promised a lot of money will be thrown at these coins.

Its so obvious, a blunt takeover attempt, same as with Bitcoin.

And what is with Litecoin?
It's obviously a SCAM. It was sold as ASIC resistent.
Now the same people come out and say we need more ASICs, to make it secure.

It smells.

Stick to telling us the selling points of x11 over the algos we already have...

There is no interest in hearing your speculation regarding asic mafia here.

I've noted some simple points for you to look over above. Stick to the facts or GTFO we don't need the thread cluttered with your fantasy theories.

I have no asics ordered and have said before they look to be a waste of money, how much clearer can i be on asics. I don't have a scrypt asic, i don't have sha256 asic

Asics are going to be a waste of money... or a big risk with regards ROI same as sha256 asics are, if you are not first to get delivery you are taking a big risk.

Now we've established scrypt asics are not going to be worth it for most people.... let's get back to x11 and it's brand new advantages it does/does not bring over existing algos.


So far i have seen nobody explain why x11 was needed when we already had scryptN, QRK, and scrypt jane.

Start showing me why is it so amazing so i can start organising for the coins i am interest in to get swapped over to x11. Else i will just go scrypt N or scrypt Jane or stick with good old tested QRK.

Then again it may be best to switch it to merge mined scrypt for security if that is the most important part.

I stick to what ever I find necessary to mention, like you, on the 300 other threads your spraying your fud.

Well here's the main advantages

- up to 50% less power
- for the moment totally ASIC proof, among other methods
- standard software available
- runs on standard hardware
- state of the art coins available, bleeding edge software
- very able and active developers

It's 'you're' you illiterate fool, and you are not answering my questions you are just posting shit that means nothing. Either you are too dumb to address my questions or avoiding them on purpose.

-up to 50% less power is NOT essentially important you blithering fool for the reasons already posted 100x ie the miner is possibly not pushing the card to the limits - besides QRK is just as efficient if you are going on temps and power draw.

- asic proof - WRONG
- same as the other algos i mentioned already - scryptn , qrk, scrypt jane
- same as the other algos i mentioned already    "         "         "          "
- WRONG
- that has nothing to do with x11 itself moron.

So thanks you have described perfectly there is no need for x11 and it offers nothing new.

Yeah, and your sole purpose of starting this thread was to make propaganda against it.
All your "answers" show it. Details avoided. Keep it tabloid, for the average dumbass.
Let alone the point of developers. Has nothing to do with it, right. A coin should live off of its developers.

What have the Litecoin developers done to develop anything new in the past years?
It's normal behavior for development teams to build a wall around them and ignore outside developments.
They take progress as a threat to their working system.
It's a 100% sure road to failure, all the time. They either get fired, or the product fails.

[cryptohunter]

I've seen two guys with 1.2 and 1.8 Gh/s yesterday on drk.suchpool.pw

As X11 is max triple the hashrate than scrypt, it means they have 400 to 600 MH in GPU power - except they use a more efficient software or already have X11 ASICs.

I can imagine GPU farms with 100 or 200 MH...but not with 600MH+! So currently it feels for me as we still don't have gotten the right answer here.

There is no doubt then x11 was nothing but marketing hype.

At BEST there are x11 asics that only a few have but have had to fork out on new hardware- at WORST you can super over clock your miners if you know how to

LOL 1.8GH on x11 doesn't look good

[cryptohunter]

The ASIC MOB is out in full force these days ...

Another point is, that many of the main coin core teams probably have huge orders for ASICs too.
They probably have been bribed and been promised a lot of money will be thrown at these coins.

Its so obvious, a blunt takeover attempt, same as with Bitcoin.

And what is with Litecoin?
It's obviously a SCAM. It was sold as ASIC resistent.
Now the same people come out and say we need more ASICs, to make it secure.

It smells.

Stick to telling us the selling points of x11 over the algos we already have...

There is no interest in hearing your speculation regarding asic mafia here.

I've noted some simple points for you to look over above. Stick to the facts or GTFO we don't need the thread cluttered with your fantasy theories.

I have no asics ordered and have said before they look to be a waste of money, how much clearer can i be on asics. I don't have a scrypt asic, i don't have sha256 asic

Asics are going to be a waste of money... or a big risk with regards ROI same as sha256 asics are, if you are not first to get delivery you are taking a big risk.

Now we've established scrypt asics are not going to be worth it for most people.... let's get back to x11 and it's brand new advantages it does/does not bring over existing algos.


So far i have seen nobody explain why x11 was needed when we already had scryptN, QRK, and scrypt jane.

Start showing me why is it so amazing so i can start organising for the coins i am interest in to get swapped over to x11. Else i will just go scrypt N or scrypt Jane or stick with good old tested QRK.

Then again it may be best to switch it to merge mined scrypt for security if that is the most important part.

I stick to what ever I find necessary to mention, like you, on the 300 other threads your spraying your fud.

Well here's the main advantages

- up to 50% less power
- for the moment totally ASIC proof, among other methods
- standard software available
- runs on standard hardware
- state of the art coins available, bleeding edge software
- very able and active developers

It's 'you're' you illiterate fool, and you are not answering my questions you are just posting shit that means nothing. Either you are too dumb to address my questions or avoiding them on purpose.

-up to 50% less power is NOT essentially important you blithering fool for the reasons already posted 100x ie the miner is possibly not pushing the card to the limits - besides QRK is just as efficient if you are going on temps and power draw.

- asic proof - WRONG
- same as the other algos i mentioned already - scryptn , qrk, scrypt jane
- same as the other algos i mentioned already    "         "         "          "
- WRONG
- that has nothing to do with x11 itself moron.

So thanks you have described perfectly there is no need for x11 and it offers nothing new.

Yeah, and your sole purpose of starting this thread was to make propaganda against it.
All your "answers" show it. Details avoided. Keep it tabloid, for the average dumbass.
Let alone the point of developers. Has nothing to do with it, right. A coin should live off of its developers.

What have the Litecoin developers done to develop anything new in the past years?
It's normal behavior for development teams to build a wall around them and ignore outside developments.
They take progress as a threat to their working system.
It's a 100% sure road to failure, all the time. They either get fired, or the product fails.

Please answer the questions or be quiet.  We are discussing x11 here. You are diverting conversation to your OWN chosen coin.

Here have another go at answering the questions... anything other than answering these specific questions is avoidance... one employs the tactic of avoidance when they have no answers or the answers they could give would display they have been lying or hiding something they do not want you to know about.... is that you running 1.8GH on the darkpool?  come on how did you supercharge your miner? or how did you construct that asic on  your own?  Come now ....tell us the truth here.... has x11 been a big old scam from the start? hehe you crafty devil.

1. is it more efficient than qrk?
2. is it more secure than qrk?
3. is it more efficient than scrypt? or is the miner just crippled and can't use the full potential of the card?
4. are there more efficient miners already out for x11 that are more optimised?
5. is it more asic resistant that qrk?
6. is it more asic resistant that scyptN , scrypt jane
7. is it x12, x13, x99 going to be better? will we need to fork all of the coins over and over again?


just tell me some definite benefits of x11 that are real benefits not maybe beneficial but then again if the miner can be improved shown to not be beneficial at all.


come on how hard is it to sell the best solution out there right now???


Five pages and no HARD facts or evidence to support the need or use of x11. Now i notice the 1.8GH on dark pool though it does indeed look a bit scary for x11. Not only does it look like it provides no advantage over what we have, it looks like some people have certainly TUNED their miners or have asics. Sure could be a botnet or 2, or a 600MH scrypt gpu farm?? 

Even if that was actually real gpu on standard x11 miner software...which seems unlikely it still does not answer any of the above questions.

Far from x11 looking like the best thing since sliced bread, it looks pointless to actually dangerously like a marketing ploy with some big whales behind it pumping the shit out of noobs on their standard gpu standard x11 miners.

Well i checked in to find out if x11 was the best way to go for the coins i am interested in...... the answer still does not seem clear.  It doesn't look like it is though right now so i check back on this thread in a while to see if some gpu / algo/ math boffin has turned up and shown us either way on this interesting topic.  If x11 is the best way to go and gives us clear provable advantages over the algos we already had then sure let's welcome crypto to mostly move from scrypt to x11. However if it is shown to be nothing more than a marketing gimmick that give no real new advantage in any form over scryptN ,scrypt jane and QRK then let's save ourselves a lot of hassle.  If we suspect there are hash whales already using x11 to get even more unfair advantage, let's kick that shit out and give them the finger.

[flipme]

Now you're bringing your own discussion into lala land, really.
"They" don't have X11 ASICs.

The point is, that for the moment, ANY possible method to avoid the planned concentration of power is welcome.
And so YES, X11 is one of them, and it's for REAL.
It's a convincing concept, as is Quark, Scrypt-N, Jane, whatever.

I'd favor it, because of the low power requirement and the way the existing hardware is utilized.

[flipme]

Well you never know.... Consider half the energy costs, double the rigs xD? IDK probably are x11 ASICS... Do you think its possible to have a gpu mine each 1 algorithm of x11? Would that increase hash rate?

Yes, but you need quite sophisticated software to control it in parallel.
And you would have to share the work for the rigs according to their share in the whole process to gain in timing.

[slapper]

I heard there are aliens mining Aliencoin which also runs on x11 and they have alien algorithm miners which run at alien speeds! They are not even marketing it. F*ck this gimmick marketing team secretly mining away aliencoin.

Please rally the other coins to scryptn, nfactor, qrk etc. These are optimized for GPU and will run at full speed with current miners.

Beecoin should be merge mined with Litecoin using knc asics! It will be secure and because of it's fair launch, it can become the 3rd crypto ala copper crypto!!

[cryptohunter]

Now you're bringing your own discussion into lala land, really.
"They" don't have X11 ASICs.

The point is, that for the moment, ANY possible method to avoid the planned concentration of power is welcome.
And so YES, X11 is one of them, and it's for REAL.
It's a convincing concept, as is Quark, Scrypt-N, Jane, whatever.

I'd favor it, because of the low power requirement and the way the existing hardware is utilized.

The low power requirement could be an indication of it's biggest issue here.

Also is you favour it based on the "seemingly" low power requirement.... does it use less power than coins with QRK algos?

This low power requirement argument is the most worrying of them all it does not hold water. I wonder if that person running 1.8GH and the other one running 1.2GH are not seeing this low power requirement advantage i wonder if their gpus are sucking up the max electricity it can?  or perhaps they are sitting there all nice and cool with x11 asics? who can say... i wonder if x99 would solve this issue.

The low power requirement argument seems like it could be kind of null and void. I hope you will start to see what we are saying here.

So far let's be honest here... nobody has given even 1 good reason for x11 to exist above the algos we had already. Can you imagine us having to fork every single coin over to x11 just to find we jumped into the hands of those that can mine this with a hugely unfair advantage.... sounds worrying to me.

[flipme]

I heard there are aliens mining Aliencoin which also runs on x11 and they have alien algorithm miners which run at alien speeds! They are not even marketing it. F*ck this gimmick marketing team secretly mining away aliencoin.

Please rally the other coins to scryptn, nfactor, qrk etc. These are optimized for GPU and will run at full speed with current miners.

Beecoin should be merge mined with Litecoin using knc asics! It will be secure and because of it's fair launch, it can become the 3rd crypto ala copper crypto!!

Network size shouldn't be a security concern for ANY coin considered secure and of value.

[flipme]

Now you're bringing your own discussion into lala land, really.
"They" don't have X11 ASICs.

The point is, that for the moment, ANY possible method to avoid the planned concentration of power is welcome.
And so YES, X11 is one of them, and it's for REAL.
It's a convincing concept, as is Quark, Scrypt-N, Jane, whatever.

I'd favor it, because of the low power requirement and the way the existing hardware is utilized.

The low power requirement could be an indication of it's biggest issue here.

Also is you favour it based on the "seemingly" low power requirement.... does it use less power than coins with QRK algos?

This low power requirement argument is the most worrying of them all it does not hold water. I wonder if that person running 1.8GH and the other one running 1.2GH are not seeing this low power requirement advantage i wonder if their gpus are sucking up the max electricity it can?  or perhaps they are sitting there all nice and cool with x11 asics? who can say... i wonder if x99 would solve this issue.

The low power requirement argument seems like it could be kind of null and void. I hope you will start to see what we are saying here.

So far let's be honest here... nobody has given even 1 good reason for x11 to exist above the algos we had already. Can you imagine us having to fork every single coin over to x11 just to find we jumped into the hands of those that can mine this with a hugely unfair advantage.... sounds worrying to me.

Whats the matter with you dude?
The low power is a fact, I have a meter on it.
It's one of the good concepts for now, it may change tomorrow, thats how the world is, buddy.
And look at the coins man, people like them and money is going there.

Thats what you don't seem to like.

[cryptohunter]

I heard there are aliens mining Aliencoin which also runs on x11 and they have alien algorithm miners which run at alien speeds! They are not even marketing it. F*ck this gimmick marketing team secretly mining away aliencoin.

Please rally the other coins to scryptn, nfactor, qrk etc. These are optimized for GPU and will run at full speed with current miners.

Beecoin should be merge mined with Litecoin using knc asics! It will be secure and because of it's fair launch, it can become the 3rd crypto ala copper crypto!!

Hehe slapper, glad you're back. Those new meds are working wonders for you.
Funnily enough i suggested to beecoin and 4 other new alts that had a FAIR launch that they should perhaps consider going merge mined with some larger scrypt coins.

However as i have said before i am not interested in mentioning coins by name. This is not a thread to push your own coin choice on to others.

This is a thread to examine x11 and it's merits. Take a look at my simple questions and answer each one as honestly and to the limits of your knowledge. That is all i ask there is no need to take this hostile approach. this is simply a discussion. Here you go.... have a look through them and get back to us. If you want to come over to beecoin and support a fair coin then you are welcome. If you show us why x11 has advantage over previous algos then i will certainly be back on that thread and the threads of all coins i support pushing for x11 adoption..... come on do your part for x11 ....show me why we need x11 over and beyond scryptN, scrypt jane and QRK. I need to find out now because many are pushing for x11 adoption but i have this horrible habbit of trying to understand why i want something to happen other than it sounds kind of fancy and everyone else wants to do it. I need a reason that i can understand. Maybe i am just not getting it with x11. Help me understand by answering my questions. Thanks pal.

[cryptohunter]

Now you're bringing your own discussion into lala land, really.
"They" don't have X11 ASICs.

The point is, that for the moment, ANY possible method to avoid the planned concentration of power is welcome.
And so YES, X11 is one of them, and it's for REAL.
It's a convincing concept, as is Quark, Scrypt-N, Jane, whatever.

I'd favor it, because of the low power requirement and the way the existing hardware is utilized.

The low power requirement could be an indication of it's biggest issue here.

Also is you favour it based on the "seemingly" low power requirement.... does it use less power than coins with QRK algos?

This low power requirement argument is the most worrying of them all it does not hold water. I wonder if that person running 1.8GH and the other one running 1.2GH are not seeing this low power requirement advantage i wonder if their gpus are sucking up the max electricity it can?  or perhaps they are sitting there all nice and cool with x11 asics? who can say... i wonder if x99 would solve this issue.

The low power requirement argument seems like it could be kind of null and void. I hope you will start to see what we are saying here.

So far let's be honest here... nobody has given even 1 good reason for x11 to exist above the algos we had already. Can you imagine us having to fork every single coin over to x11 just to find we jumped into the hands of those that can mine this with a hugely unfair advantage.... sounds worrying to me.

Whats the matter with you dude?
The low power is a fact, I have a meter on it.
It's one of the good concepts for now, it may change tomorrow, thats how the world is, buddy.
And look at the coins man, people like them and money is going there.

Thats what you don't seem to like.

sorry but please answer my questions.... we know that running this perhaps inefficient miner draws less power compared to scrypt . What about compared to QRK? If it does not draw less power then i guess there was not advantage in that respect over previous algos was there?

The money is probably mining at 1.8GH the rest going there are not the money.

DRK has its clear advantage over many coins that being the dark send feature we are not challenging drk we are challenging x11.

If you want to mine drk.... great it has a good active dev...so go for it. However this thread is about x11 since every coin is now thinking of swapping to it

[Casu]

1.8H is certainly alarming. I find it hard to believe that someone with 600 scrypt mhs worth of gpus would point it all at darkcoin when they could mine something more profitable and use the proceeds to buy drk with instead. This would point to some sort of unfair advantage to make it worthwhile. People should be questioning this instead of mindlessly regurgitating the same 'but it uses less power' argument.

Another thing - anecdotally, Quark and HVC both seem to work my GPUs less than X11. I don't have a kilowatt to check for sure though.

[flipme]

Now you're bringing your own discussion into lala land, really.
"They" don't have X11 ASICs.

The point is, that for the moment, ANY possible method to avoid the planned concentration of power is welcome.
And so YES, X11 is one of them, and it's for REAL.
It's a convincing concept, as is Quark, Scrypt-N, Jane, whatever.

I'd favor it, because of the low power requirement and the way the existing hardware is utilized.

The low power requirement could be an indication of it's biggest issue here.

Also is you favour it based on the "seemingly" low power requirement.... does it use less power than coins with QRK algos?

This low power requirement argument is the most worrying of them all it does not hold water. I wonder if that person running 1.8GH and the other one running 1.2GH are not seeing this low power requirement advantage i wonder if their gpus are sucking up the max electricity it can?  or perhaps they are sitting there all nice and cool with x11 asics? who can say... i wonder if x99 would solve this issue.

The low power requirement argument seems like it could be kind of null and void. I hope you will start to see what we are saying here.

So far let's be honest here... nobody has given even 1 good reason for x11 to exist above the algos we had already. Can you imagine us having to fork every single coin over to x11 just to find we jumped into the hands of those that can mine this with a hugely unfair advantage.... sounds worrying to me.

Whats the matter with you dude?
The low power is a fact, I have a meter on it.
It's one of the good concepts for now, it may change tomorrow, thats how the world is, buddy.
And look at the coins man, people like them and money is going there.

Thats what you don't seem to like.

sorry but please answer my questions.... we know that running this perhaps inefficient miner draws less power compared to scrypt . What about compared to QRK? If it does not draw less power then i guess there was not advantage in that respect over previous algos was there?

The money is probably mining at 1.8GH the rest going there are not the money.

DRK has its clear advantage over many coins that being the dark send feature we are not challenging drk we are challenging x11.

If you want to mine drk.... great it has a good active dev...so go for it. However this thread is about x11 since every coin is now thinking of swapping to it

You shouldn't start threads like this, if you can't accept facts you don't overview.

The algorithm is only a part of the system that makes up a coin.
There are other methods involved, to secure the proof of work concept (what you call "mining").

Changing any of them, at any time should be of no concern.
The deployment of the necessary software for future coins has to be improved.

X11 is very safe for the moment, because it is very unlikely that there are ASICs out there for each of the 11 algos.
Quark uses only 6 algos, so the probability for an ASIC is how much higher?
 

An the rumor there is a private version of a mining software out there running at better pace is spread by whom?
This is a propaganda thread, pure disinformation.

[AlexGR]

I've seen two guys with 1.2 and 1.8 Gh/s yesterday on drk.suchpool.pw

As X11 is max triple the hashrate than scrypt, it means they have 400 to 600 MH in GPU power - except they use a more efficient software or already have X11 ASICs.

I can imagine GPU farms with 100 or 200 MH...but not with 600MH+! So currently it feels for me as we still don't have gotten the right answer here.

I happen to know one gpu farm that pulls ~1 ghs in scrypt. So, that'd be ~3gh in x11.

[slapper]

You shouldn't start threads like this, if you can't accept facts you don't overview.

The algorithm is only a part of the system that makes up a coin.
There are other methods involved, to secure the proof of work concept (what you call "mining").

Changing any of them, at any time should be of no concern.
The deployment of the necessary software for future coins has to be improved.

X11 is very safe for the moment, because it is very unlikely that there are ASICs out there for each of the 11 algos.
Quark uses only 6 algos, so the probability for an ASIC is how much higher?
 

An the rumor there is a private version of a mining software out there running at better pace is spread by whom?
This is a propaganda thread, pure disinformation.

Yup and the best way to achieve it is by portraying yourself as a messiah for truth, get all agitated all over the place, use bold sensationalism and a myriad of other negativity. This fudge packer is actually giving a bad name to Qrk. If I was semi-interested in it, I am no longer because it probably has more phags and pricks like the OP in it. Not going to enjoy a community like that.

All of these algos are open source. Go ahead use what you like and improve it for others. There is no x11 vs other algos. Choose what fits your goals and go with it.

I miss the red big font Beecoin signature of his too.

[Timespace]

Okay, sure I know x11 isn't optimized.  Hell there isn't a cudaminer yet, right?  And a bounty is out for that.  Who knows what kind of power we can expect from hardware using x11?  Nobody?  Well I have been toying with it using a 270x and a 6870.  The 6870 I can get to 1.05 MH/s.  I can't seem to reliably get the 270x past 1.25 MH/s.  Still playing with it, but clearly there is room from improvement.  In scrypt the same 6870 pulls 300 kh/s.  The 270x will pull 500 kh/s but I throttle it a bit to 475 for temps.  What will that cudaminer fork bring?  Do I think some people are shady and money hungry?  Yes.  Will it last very long?  No.  This thread is more FUD than advancement in this subject.  Maybe if you made "real" stick out as much as "BULLSHIT" or maybe used a different word, other than something that clearly states your stance.  Maybe then you will find your answers.