A legendary member who owns at least 9 more accounts is cheating sig campaigns

[hugeblack]

WOWWW!  One member manages 10 accounts.
Check Altcoinstalks, We may find more, especially since admin may reveals alt accounts using IP addresses.

[SatoPrincess]

Ok, so I learn about this case now and there is something I don't understand. Does anyone think it is humanly possible for just 1 person to manage 9 accounts? I think I wouldn't be able to, even if that was my only job and I took 5 coffees a day. Don't get me wrong, they might be part of a farm or something, and the lack of response on this thread I think shows guilt but I find it hard to understand how one person could manage so many accounts. I imagine it's a combination of living in a poor country where every payment from an additional campaign is very significant, plus dedicating yourself solely to that and producing kind of mediocre quality writing.

It can’t really be called a farm if it’s just two accounts. So yes, I think it’s humanly possible for one person to manage 9 accounts especially if you don’t have to worry about post quality or reputation as long as there are signature campaigns to milk from. Rainbowkun and his army of alts, comes to mind. The recent catch by @lovesmayfamilis just shows how big alt farms can get that they forget which account they are posting from.

It’s also possible that it’s a couple of people in a room making a living off signature campaigns.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

WOWWW!   One member manages 10 accounts.
Check Altcoinstalks, We may find more, especially since admin may reveals alt accounts using IP addresses.

Oh My God😲😲... It seems the days of reckoning is actually closer for alt accounts. Because to be frankly speaking, I'm still finding it difficult to believe someone actually managed 10 accounts simultaneously in different signature campaigns. This is a typical example of greed if I must confess. While secondly, it's true using altcointalk IP feature will literally crack down a whole lots of accounts on this forum, and I just pity those who may fall victim.

However, I'm looking forward to hear what these new alleged accounts have to say in defense of their alt allegation.

[Rikafip]

Does anyone think it is humanly possible for just 1 person to manage 9 accounts?

It is possible if its your main source of income and you are doing only this, but is it probable is another thing (which I think is not).

One of the explanations could be that 1 person owns those accounts, and he hired several people to fill the signature quota, or its a joint venture of couple of people where they make the money and then pool together and sell on exchanges.

I imagine it's a combination of living in a poor country where every payment from an additional campaign is very significant

I can imagine it’s very tempting to create a few alt accounts and live off them comfortably if you live in a developing country where people around you do hard physical labor for only a few hundred dollars a month.

[Erumo]

This dude was running 9 accounts at once, earned hundreds dollars weekly for months, and got caught because he was greedy to pay for transactions/kyc cost, to have several account on exchanges or place where his cashout his crypto? lol

[hosemary]

Ok, so I learn about this case now and there is something I don't understand. Does anyone think it is humanly possible for just 1 person to manage 9 accounts?

The first 6 accounts of the list have exactly the same posting style. See the post I made about that and also the post made by FinneysTrueVision.
The last 3 accounts of the list also have the same posting style and it had already been proved that they are owned by the same person. See this topic.
Yaunfitda has a different posting style than others.

Considering the addresses these 10 accounts have posted, they are all owned by the same person.

One of the explanations could be that 1 person owns those accounts, and he hired several people to fill the signature quota, or its a joint venture of couple of people where they make the money and then pool together and sell on exchanges.

This is probably the case.

I haven't posted any negative feedback against Yaunfitda yet, although I added him to my list in OP.
As I said, his posting style is different from others. Of course, I am sure he is hiding something from us and there's connection between Yaunfitda and the other accounts.

[JollyGood]

~peter0425  
~kotajikikox  
~rodskee  
~bitterguy28
~btc78
~Reatim
~Yaunfitda
~Baofeng
~Kemarit  
~Jating
~Siren

With evidence demonstrating at least one banned account (Siren) was connected to the farm, it means the whole farm is technically evading a ban. The puppeteer should not be able to monetise from these accounts.

Also, if the other 10 nefarious accounts from a different farm are removed by the campaign manager employing them, it will equate to a total of 10 from this thread and 10 from the other thread (Interesting behaviour by the "MrNata" account that led to possible account farm) being thrown out of campaigns.

~AirtelBuzz
~bitcoin_mining
~cryptoWODL  
~Fuso.hp  
~Lidger
~N.O  
~Ricardo11
~synchronym  
~2Pizza410000BTC
~Platinumys  

Overall, if all 20 names were banned by campaign managers it would be a welcomed move to help improve the forum. We should use our trust lists to add their names with a ~tilde.

[Lucius]

Ok, so I learn about this case now and there is something I don't understand. Does anyone think it is humanly possible for just 1 person to manage 9 accounts?
~snip~

It's possible, but it could also be that more than one person managed those accounts and they weren't all in the sig campaigns at the same time. In addition, at least three accounts were discovered before and have not been active for some time, so if it's 5 or 6 accounts that need to "produce" 15-20 posts a day, with a little organization it's doable if you don't have any other commitments in your life.

If our detectives continue digging, they might find more linked accounts, which wouldn't be surprising at all because for some people this forum is just a business.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Even if they decided to enroll in different campaigns, isn't that still breaking one of the rules of multi- accounting? Is there something I'm not being told? The first point is also one of the most underlying factor on why most people develop the idea to create Alt accounts. Scrolling through the service board and seeing so many open spots, and new campaigns every week can be tempting for some.

The forum administration allows multi accounting. Perhaps they wanted the forum to be a place of as much freedom as possible. You can actually declare your multiple accounts and nothing will happen to you so long as you don't break the rules. Even the forum admin himself has an alternate account. What is not accepted by the community standards, or at least most campaign managers is trying to enroll on the same signature campaign or contests using multiple accounts. The DT members will tag your accounts immediately once identified.

18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

[Rikafip]

The first 6 accounts of the list have exactly the same posting style. See the post I made about that and also the post made by FinneysTrueVision.
The last 3 accounts of the list also have the same posting style and it had already been proved that they are owned by the same person. See this topic.

I can imagine that’s by far the hardest thing about multiaccounting, trying to maintain different posting styles, and explaining why all the alt accounts caught have the same one as the main acc.

I guess it’s doable (albeit very hard) if you’re writing with two accounts, but anything beyond that would be a total nightmare, trying to write with three or more accounts, each with a distinct posting style.

If our detectives continue digging, they might find more linked accounts, which wouldn't be surprising at all because for some people this forum is just a business.

Yep, probably just a tip of the iceberg. Also, wasn't there a case of alt account farm with few dozens of accounts, all connected and owned by the same person, and he had "employees" who were writng using his accounts.

[Zoomic]

, or its a joint venture of couple of people where they make the money and then pool together and sell on exchanges.

Why will they need to pool their money together and sell on exchange when one person can manage their accounts individually and still make money?
It is possible to own such number of accounts if they are just newbies used to do some shill jobs. But if they are all ranked up, I don't know how they were able to achieve that.

[Stalker22]

This dude was running 9 accounts at once, earned hundreds dollars weekly for months, and got caught because he was greedy to pay for transactions/kyc cost, to have several account on exchanges or place where his cashout his crypto? lol

Usually, you cannot have more than one account on a centralized exchange that uses KYC.  Its against their rules.

CEXs only let each person have one verified account.  So, if a scammer wants to withdraw money from nine fake accounts, they would need nine real people with IDs to pass the KYC checks.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Usually, you cannot have more than one account on a centralized exchange that uses KYC.  Its against their rules.

CEXs only let each person have one verified account.  So, if a scammer wants to withdraw money from nine fake accounts, they would need nine real people with IDs to pass the KYC checks.

How do you think those feeder addresses got him caught though  
He probably thought he was so smart about it, but then when the UTXO's that later got spent gave him away and also indicated that the addresses originated from the same wallet.

There are also some exchanges that allow users to generate multiple deposit addresses at a time

[LogitechMouse]

WOWWW!   One member manages 10 accounts.
Check Altcoinstalks, We may find more, especially since admin may reveals alt accounts using IP addresses.

Oh My God😲😲... It seems the days of reckoning is actually closer for alt accounts. Because to be frankly speaking, I'm still finding it difficult to believe someone actually managed 10 accounts simultaneously in different signature campaigns. This is a typical example of greed if I must confess. While secondly, it's true using altcointalk IP feature will literally crack down a whole lots of accounts on this forum, and I just pity those who may fall victim.

However, I'm looking forward to hear what these new alleged accounts have to say in defense of their alt allegation.

One creator of 10 accounts? Possible.
One creator managing 10 accounts? Nah, that's almost impossible.

I'm leaning more towards the fact that there might be 1 creator of these 10 accounts, but there are many who are managing these accounts, and they're just giving a portion of their weekly payments to the original creator of those accounts. One person managing 10 accounts is almost impossible, especially if they also have a job outside... but if they don't then maybe? Still difficult to believe that's why I'm leaning more towards the other one.

As for the defense, I don't think that there's a need for them to defend especially if they are guilty of it. Even if they defend themselves, it will be pretty much useless now especially if the evidence is strong enough for them to receive a negative tag. It will just be a waste of energy for them, so remaining silent is their only option. I will not be surprised though if they come out here and defend. Let's not forget though that Baofeng, Kemarit, and Jating got busted months ago and didn't defend themselves, so I see the same with this one.

[Lucius]

If our detectives continue digging, they might find more linked accounts, which wouldn't be surprising at all because for some people this forum is just a business.

Yep, probably just a tip of the iceberg. Also, wasn't there a case of alt account farm with few dozens of accounts, all connected and owned by the same person, and he had "employees" who were writng using his accounts.

It is possible that the scale of sig campaign abuse is much greater than most of us think, because it is known that there are organized centers where thousands of people, mostly under duress, carry out various scam operations, and I would not rule out the possibility that they use this forum as well.

Recently, the authorities of Myanmar and Thailand carried out attacks on the infamous KK Park, where there were allegedly over a thousand people. If the forum had a different attitude towards scams, then maybe the admins could do a lot more to detect alt accounts using IP addresses, because I believe that most of these people don't even hide their online identity.

[stompix]

Ok, so I learn about this case now and there is something I don't understand. Does anyone think it is humanly possible for just 1 person to manage 9 accounts? I think I wouldn't be able to, even if that was my only job and I took 5 coffees a day.

Yeah, totally possible!
Assume it's 250 posts per week, which comes down to around 36 posts per day, even if we assume a 10-minute per post time, it could be done in 6 hours, and in most cases, there is no job in their country that would pay that well for basically writing garbage, that's not really a hard choice.

Besides, this is shitposting, they don't engage in views with other forum members, they don't talk about specific facts or events that would get them in trouble for not remembering he second day what they wrote.
For a guy who is fluent in English, types really fast and takes this as a job I think the upper limit is way higher, maybe in the 15-20 range.

[Stalker22]

Ok, so I learn about this case now and there is something I don't understand. Does anyone think it is humanly possible for just 1 person to manage 9 accounts? I think I wouldn't be able to, even if that was my only job and I took 5 coffees a day.

Yeah, totally possible!
Assume it's 250 posts per week, which comes down to around 36 posts per day, even if we assume a 10-minute per post time, it could be done in 6 hours, and in most cases, there is no job in their country that would pay that well for basically writing garbage, that's not really a hard choice.

Besides, this is shitposting, they don't engage in views with other forum members, they don't talk about specific facts or events that would get them in trouble for not remembering he second day what they wrote.
For a guy who is fluent in English, types really fast and takes this as a job I think the upper limit is way higher, maybe in the 15-20 range.

I totally agree. Especially these days.

Just imagine whats possible if the scammer is "tech-savvy" (which just means using Google Translate, ChatGPT, and a few other free online tools), producing that "mediocre quality writing" across nine or twenty accounts stops being a huge creative effort and starts being a simple data entry job.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Even if they decided to enroll in different campaigns, isn't that still breaking one of the rules of multi- accounting? Is there something I'm not being told? The first point is also one of the most underlying factor on why most people develop the idea to create Alt accounts. Scrolling through the service board and seeing so many open spots, and new campaigns every week can be tempting for some....

There's actually no forum rule against having multiple accounts. Even some moderators have alternate accounts and have joined different campaigns using them. The issue only comes in when those accounts join the same campaign, that's generally considered cheating, which makes it a violation of the campaign's own rules, thus they deserved negative tag.

I never ever thought it was valid to create an alt, raise it and join a campaign (even while your main account is also in a campaign). I knew owning an alt wasn't no crime; for some privacy protection policies, honest opinions etc, but earning from both at the same time is wild fr.

[Rikafip]

Assume it's 250 posts per week, which comes down to around 36 posts per day, even if we assume a 10-minute per post time, it could be done in 6 hours, and in most cases, there is no job in their country that would pay that well for basically writing garbage, that's not really a hard choice.

I hope that you didn't enourage some shitpoters to start their own alt farms. 

Besides, this is shitposting, they don't engage in views with other forum members, they don't talk about specific facts or events that would get them in trouble for not remembering he second day what they wrote.

The fact that they had no issues getting into signature campaigns and were not getting kicked out due to low quality posts tells us how low the bar is set and how much the forum lacks quality members.

[stompix]

Assume it's 250 posts per week, which comes down to around 36 posts per day, even if we assume a 10-minute per post time, it could be done in 6 hours, and in most cases, there is no job in their country that would pay that well for basically writing garbage, that's not really a hard choice.

I hope that you didn't enourage some shitpoters to start their own alt farms. 

Eh, I'm x years too late for that, and besides that...
Every shitposter here has already thought of starting an alt farm if he hasn't already built it.

The fact that they had no issues getting into signature campaigns and were not getting kicked out due to low quality posts tells us how low the bar is set and how much the forum lacks quality members.

I was once in a campaign...that has ratings...
Despite being almost the highest merited account there, I got "marks" below posters who have been banned for displaying a signature due to spam.
Not giving names, but it's so easy to figure out...not a painstaking.... guesswork.
Yeah, I'm talking about stake, lol!!!

If someone is curious...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=785777
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=718234
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=837148
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=428664
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=342066
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=436371

all banned on the same date, all in the same campaign, all stopped posting after that without questioning the ban...
Probably another farm that will be reactivated in 3 months once the ban expires