Duel.com -- The first casino with 0% house edge games

[Free Market Capitalist]

The 0% house edge claim is a massive bold statement, especially in a sub-forum full of math-savvy gamblers.

The bolded part is a big lol.

While it sounds like a dream for high-rollers, the community is always curious about the sustainability of such a model. If there's truly no edge on the first $50k daily, how exactly does the platform cover its operational costs and the "highest paying affiliate system" you mentioned?

There were explanations about this earlier in the thread that you could have read, but thanks to Dollartree anyway for an explanation from the house.

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Since you haven't been on the forum for very long, I suggest you take a look at the forum rules.

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Specifically, with your three consecutive posts, you've broken Rule 32, though it's no big deal because they'll just be merged—but if you do it too often, you might get a warning.

[leea-1334]

Great answers from @Dollartree,,, we all want to hear these things, some people say a little of it, some do not say it at all,,, but in the end, actions speak louder than words and we see a lot of the action happening so that is great 

Personally, I think there are too few degens in charge of casinos but it sounds like this place has a gambler at heart and mind,,, it really takes experience to understand how players feel and why they gamble.

KYC, problem free withdraws etc. These are basically the things that if you take care of, you have a great place people will not complain about.

BTW you can quote different posts into one answer, just click "insert quote", so the forum does not end up banning you later

[logfiles]

I agree that it is unusual.
How do they make money?  Does anyone know? I would like to understand better their business model

I think by now you received some of the answers. Here is what the man behind the casino also had to say;

We'll make enough money from slots in the long run. Also, we got extremely deep pockets due to running CSGOEmpire for 10 years.

So it's more of a long term initiative. The numbers have been steadily growing over the past weeks (I mean the online folks). Though it does not directly translate to the number of people playing, but it's a good sign.

[Dollartree]

Now, to Dollartree, very nice handsome young men and apparently representing Duel here, if you don’t mind, for transparency, Please answer this right here and for everyone to see, you’ve had enough time to answer to me and still haven’t directly.

Listen man, I'm not going to get involved in legal issues for the sole fact that I'm not a lawyer.  If you have legal issues, you're free to take the legal route, no one is going to stop you.  You've posted your thoughts and you've posted what our legal team responded.   There really isn't much more I can comment here.

[Potato Chips]

@Dollartree any new information about the upcoming zero edge slot? I am hoping they are aiming for a 2026 release to say the least.

[mikel_012]

@Dollartree any new information about the upcoming zero edge slot? I am hoping they are aiming for a 2026 release to say the least.

I am also interested and I see that Monarch posted on discord that originals for RPS and slots are the next games releasing soon so they will very likely be 0% house edge

This was last week but no date was posted publicly as far as I can see

[Monarch-]

Live now:

Duel's First Original Slot — Provably Fair & 100% RTP

Slots are by far the most popular game on crypto casinos. But they've always been a black box. Trust the providers because of their RNG "licenses" (which mean nothing), and pray that the company is benevolent enough to not rig you. Provably fair has been the standard for crypto casino originals for over 10 years now. Why hasn't that standard been expanded to slots?

Some feeble attempts have been made in the past, usually with flawed provably fair systems, withdrawal restrictions, and other gotchas. But none that actually worked properly, and certainly never with 100% RTP.

The new standard Duel set in the industry last year that you know and love — rock-solid provable fairness, the best possible odds in the industry, and instant, unlimited withdrawals — has finally come to slots. Introducing the first Duel original slot (of many), and the world's first ever provably fair 100% RTP slot: Groomer's Van. Exclusively on Duel.

https://duel.com/casino/provably-fair/groomers-van

[AussieMat]

Live now:

Duel's First Original Slot — Provably Fair & 100% RTP

Slots are by far the most popular game on crypto casinos. But they've always been a black box. Trust the providers because of their RNG "licenses" (which mean nothing), and pray that the company is benevolent enough to not rig you. Provably fair has been the standard for crypto casino originals for over 10 years now. Why hasn't that standard been expanded to slots?

Some feeble attempts have been made in the past, usually with flawed provably fair systems, withdrawal restrictions, and other gotchas. But none that actually worked properly, and certainly never with 100% RTP.

The new standard Duel set in the industry last year that you know and love — rock-solid provable fairness, the best possible odds in the industry, and instant, unlimited withdrawals — has finally come to slots. Introducing the first Duel original slot (of many), and the world's first ever provably fair 100% RTP slot: Groomer's Van. Exclusively on Duel.

https://duel.com/casino/provably-fair/groomers-van

Edit: yes the link works sorry
By the way, check my board thread here exposing many fake provably fair casinos: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5571224.msg66282437#msg66282437

Duel has definitely a very solid provably fair system.

[Free Market Capitalist]

The link doesn’t work.

It does work for me.

[Dollartree]

Live Blackjack with hilarious midgets has launched on Duel as well as the first 100% RTP PROVABLY FAIR slot.

The telegram channel has also been revived due to popular demand.

If anyone has any feedback on the slot or blackjack, let me know here, or can always reach out on Twitter.

Enjoy

[mikel_012]

Live now:

Duel's First Original Slot — Provably Fair & 100% RTP

Slots are by far the most popular game on crypto casinos. But they've always been a black box. Trust the providers because of their RNG "licenses" (which mean nothing), and pray that the company is benevolent enough to not rig you. Provably fair has been the standard for crypto casino originals for over 10 years now. Why hasn't that standard been expanded to slots?

Some feeble attempts have been made in the past, usually with flawed provably fair systems, withdrawal restrictions, and other gotchas. But none that actually worked properly, and certainly never with 100% RTP.

The new standard Duel set in the industry last year that you know and love — rock-solid provable fairness, the best possible odds in the industry, and instant, unlimited withdrawals — has finally come to slots. Introducing the first Duel original slot (of many), and the world's first ever provably fair 100% RTP slot: Groomer's Van. Exclusively on Duel.

https://duel.com/casino/provably-fair/groomers-van

Woah, I think this is the first time I see a true 100% RTP slot. It will be the first time I play in a slot and have more fun knowing that if luck is by my side I will receive a pay out and not just bleed like what happens with most casinos with a very low RTP

Very nice job and thanks for keeping to revolutionize the online gambling industry

[mikel_012]

Monarch, you forgot to add that your casino has a license (which means nothing).

Should any player have any problems with your plattform and be truthfully in his rights there is no way to enforce it.

I will make sure that any or all marketing will reflect this, just like your idiot legal team clayton can‘t even form a proper response to your „licensor“. You can‘t properly shittalk other providers without keeping your casino on the good side.

Could you provide, for me ofcourse and for any other player that in the future will have any problems with your plattform a proper communication channel which someone actually replies?

I guess not.

The same way where many platforms that are not for gambling there is no way to enforce it and you need good faith from the operator as they many times worry about their reputation

How can you enforce anything if SageSwap that is a instant swap exchange has problems with a user? You need to report to the community and create a scam accusation. That's where reputation is important to only use websites that do the right thing

[Monarch-]

Live now:

Duel's First Original Slot — Provably Fair & 100% RTP

Slots are by far the most popular game on crypto casinos. But they've always been a black box. Trust the providers because of their RNG "licenses" (which mean nothing), and pray that the company is benevolent enough to not rig you. Provably fair has been the standard for crypto casino originals for over 10 years now. Why hasn't that standard been expanded to slots?

Some feeble attempts have been made in the past, usually with flawed provably fair systems, withdrawal restrictions, and other gotchas. But none that actually worked properly, and certainly never with 100% RTP.

The new standard Duel set in the industry last year that you know and love — rock-solid provable fairness, the best possible odds in the industry, and instant, unlimited withdrawals — has finally come to slots. Introducing the first Duel original slot (of many), and the world's first ever provably fair 100% RTP slot: Groomer's Van. Exclusively on Duel.

https://duel.com/casino/provably-fair/groomers-van

Monarch, you forgot to add that your casino has a license (which means nothing).

Should any player have any problems with your plattform and be truthfully in his rights there is no way to enforce it.

I will make sure that any or all marketing will reflect this, just like your idiot legal team clayton can‘t even form a proper response to your „licensor“. You can‘t properly shittalk other providers without keeping your casino on the good side.

Could you provide, for me ofcourse and for any other player that in the future will have any problems with your plattform a proper communication channel which someone actually replies?

I guess not.

Dearest sir,

Yes, we all know that licenses are worth less than toilet paper.

Best regards.

[Cointxz]

Live Blackjack with hilarious midgets has launched on Duel as well as the first 100% RTP PROVABLY FAIR slot.

The telegram channel has also been revived due to popular demand.

If anyone has any feedback on the slot or blackjack, let me know here, or can always reach out on Twitter.

Enjoy

I become curious to check this casino when you post this midget version blackjack. I thought this is some sort of blackjack variation like the evolution gaming blackjack but I’m surprised to see that the dealer is an actual midget.

I try to check the game on how it looks like the game play. The dealer was very lively but I’m so disgusted to the players on chat about doing criticism to the midget dealer and sometimes typing harassment already.



Is there any exclusive bonus here for Bitcointalk user?

[Monarch-]

Live Blackjack with hilarious midgets has launched on Duel as well as the first 100% RTP PROVABLY FAIR slot.

The telegram channel has also been revived due to popular demand.

If anyone has any feedback on the slot or blackjack, let me know here, or can always reach out on Twitter.

Enjoy

I become curious to check this casino when you post this midget version blackjack. I thought this is some sort of blackjack variation like the evolution gaming blackjack but I’m surprised to see that the dealer is an actual midget.

I try to check the game on how it looks like the game play. The dealer was very lively but I’m so disgusted to the players on chat about doing criticism to the midget dealer and sometimes typing harassment already.



Is there any exclusive bonus here for Bitcointalk user?

Not everything in life has to be taken so seriously. I suspect this post might be coming from a 5'11" midget.


As for exclusive bonuses -- Duel IS the bonus is in itself. If you'd like to beg for some free pennies though, I'd recommend trying out the live support chat on https://gamdom.com/.

[Monarch-]

Live now:

Duel's First Original Slot — Provably Fair & 100% RTP

Slots are by far the most popular game on crypto casinos. But they've always been a black box. Trust the providers because of their RNG "licenses" (which mean nothing), and pray that the company is benevolent enough to not rig you. Provably fair has been the standard for crypto casino originals for over 10 years now. Why hasn't that standard been expanded to slots?

Some feeble attempts have been made in the past, usually with flawed provably fair systems, withdrawal restrictions, and other gotchas. But none that actually worked properly, and certainly never with 100% RTP.

The new standard Duel set in the industry last year that you know and love — rock-solid provable fairness, the best possible odds in the industry, and instant, unlimited withdrawals — has finally come to slots. Introducing the first Duel original slot (of many), and the world's first ever provably fair 100% RTP slot: Groomer's Van. Exclusively on Duel.

https://duel.com/casino/provably-fair/groomers-van

Monarch, you forgot to add that your casino has a license (which means nothing).

Should any player have any problems with your plattform and be truthfully in his rights there is no way to enforce it.

I will make sure that any or all marketing will reflect this, just like your idiot legal team clayton can‘t even form a proper response to your „licensor“. You can‘t properly shittalk other providers without keeping your casino on the good side.

Could you provide, for me ofcourse and for any other player that in the future will have any problems with your plattform a proper communication channel which someone actually replies?

I guess not.

Dearest sir,

Yes, we all know that licenses are worth less than toilet paper.

Best regards.

Thanks for the answer, didn't except that after you blocked me on Discord for a simple question.

So how does a player like me or any other of the 1-5% which probably have problems with your platform take any action to fulfill their rights? None?

I guess changing the industry also means changing the way how easy ignoring simple complaints gets.

I still expect a formal answer or any kind of direct communication to my formal notice, since you now also say you have a worthless license what does that make your casino? Illegal?

Elaborate please

I mean you can ignore all you want because obviously time is on your side right now but as soon as the right authorities get involved, I can't reverse anything, especially the money-laundering accusations and the seizure of the illicit gained swiss-player-funds.
See ESBK ruling on seizures of said funds.

Just answer me directly and privately, you literally have every kind of contact info from me you need. If you need the contact information from my lawyer I'll happily give it to you. I'm ready to delete everything like I said I just want to end this trap your casino put me in.

Once again, I kindly ask you to answer me instead of the continous ignoring. I have time of my life to further continue to do what I do now and I'm sure sooner or later I'll get on your nerves and you'll answer me anyways.

Don't know what your problem is, but the live support team is precisely there for the purpose of sorting people's problems.

If for whatever reason they didn't handle it appropriately (highly doubt it), summarize your problem to me simply and I'll tell you what's up.

[AussieMat]

Live now:

Duel's First Original Slot — Provably Fair & 100% RTP

Slots are by far the most popular game on crypto casinos. But they've always been a black box. Trust the providers because of their RNG "licenses" (which mean nothing), and pray that the company is benevolent enough to not rig you. Provably fair has been the standard for crypto casino originals for over 10 years now. Why hasn't that standard been expanded to slots?

Some feeble attempts have been made in the past, usually with flawed provably fair systems, withdrawal restrictions, and other gotchas. But none that actually worked properly, and certainly never with 100% RTP.

The new standard Duel set in the industry last year that you know and love — rock-solid provable fairness, the best possible odds in the industry, and instant, unlimited withdrawals — has finally come to slots. Introducing the first Duel original slot (of many), and the world's first ever provably fair 100% RTP slot: Groomer's Van. Exclusively on Duel.

https://duel.com/casino/provably-fair/groomers-van

Monarch, you forgot to add that your casino has a license (which means nothing).

Should any player have any problems with your plattform and be truthfully in his rights there is no way to enforce it.

I will make sure that any or all marketing will reflect this, just like your idiot legal team clayton can‘t even form a proper response to your „licensor“. You can‘t properly shittalk other providers without keeping your casino on the good side.

Could you provide, for me ofcourse and for any other player that in the future will have any problems with your plattform a proper communication channel which someone actually replies?

I guess not.

Dearest sir,

Yes, we all know that licenses are worth less than toilet paper.

Best regards.

Thanks for the answer, didn't except that after you blocked me on Discord for a simple question.

So how does a player like me or any other of the 1-5% which probably have problems with your platform take any action to fulfill their rights? None?

I guess changing the industry also means changing the way how easy ignoring simple complaints gets.

I still expect a formal answer or any kind of direct communication to my formal notice, since you now also say you have a worthless license what does that make your casino? Illegal?

Elaborate please

I mean you can ignore all you want because obviously time is on your side right now but as soon as the right authorities get involved, I can't reverse anything, especially the money-laundering accusations and the seizure of the illicit gained swiss-player-funds.
See ESBK ruling on seizures of said funds.

Just answer me directly and privately, you literally have every kind of contact info from me you need. If you need the contact information from my lawyer I'll happily give it to you. I'm ready to delete everything like I said I just want to end this trap your casino put me in.

Once again, I kindly ask you to answer me instead of the continous ignoring. I have time of my life to further continue to do what I do now and I'm sure sooner or later I'll get on your nerves and you'll answer me anyways.

Man I know what it feels like to be in a lawsuit because I did one myself, although try to not waste your whole energy in the wrong place, it’s not going to help, those you’re suing are not here to help you, only your lawyer can do that

[Free Market Capitalist]

Don't know what your problem is, but the live support team is precisely there for the purpose of sorting people's problems.

If for whatever reason they didn't handle it appropriately (highly doubt it), summarize your problem to me simply and I'll tell you what's up.

With a few years of experience on this forum, I can assure you that it’s common to see people—as in this case—littering the casino’s ANN thread with complaints like this. The best place for this would be the Scam Accusations section, which they sometimes do, but they also insist on posting in this thread. The fact is, in a very high percentage of cases, it turns out that these are people who, in one way or another, broke the rules. Instead of accepting that they’ve been caught and moving on, they try to blackmail the casino with these tactics to see if they can get something out of it—which they rarely succeed in doing.

However, there are a few instances in which the casino, upon reviewing the case, realizes it has made a mistake and corrects it.

It’s best to keep this in mind when reviewing this case or others that may arise.

[Wind_FURY]

There was a user who informed me that the 0% house edge merely applies to the casino's games and that it is limited up to an amount of total bets. The house edge starts to run after the limit.

Because of that, "The first casino with 0% house edge games" is sort of misleading, no? Although it's good that they give this sort of "welcome offer" to new players, I believe it's better for the service to make everything clear and obvious.

[Free Market Capitalist]

There was a user who informed me that the 0% house edge merely applies to the casino's games and that it is limited up to an amount of total bets. The house edge starts to run after the limit.

Because of that, "The first casino with 0% house edge games" is sort of misleading, no? Although it's good that they give this sort of "welcome offer" to new players, I believe it's better for the service to make everything clear and obvious.

How is that misleading?

It would be misleading if it said "The first casino where all games are 0% HE" or stuff like that. In addition, as mentioned in the thread, the threshold for the HE not to be 0% is a daily limit of $50,000, after which the HE becomes 0.10%.