Are casino TOS another “hidden house edge”?

[Zlantann]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

Casinos are not non-profit organisations. They are business entities established and managed to bring financial returns. Casino ToS are designed to protect the company against fraud,  manipulation, and losses. I don't know why a gambler will register or use a casino that has some unfavourable policies. There are thousands of casinos online.  If you are not comfortable with their policies,  choose another one. Sadly, many gamblers become victims because of ignorance, since they don't read the terms of service until there is a problem.

[Dunamisx]

No, having ToS is not a show to display for casino house edge, because despite upon all these conditions, a gambler can still penetrate and make it into winning by any chance, it is not as if we are restricted to have an opportunity of winning, but in some game play, mostly the casino games, there seems to be more consideration for house edge over the way gamblers play and even though their is fairness in doing this.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

I think it's more the latter. If there are rules and you don't follow them, it's your fault. Besides, as I said in another thread, all casino ToS are very similar. You can't use the excuse that you didn't know you couldn't create multiple accounts when all casinos prohibit it.

Furthermore, I and many like me have never had to open a similar thread in the scam accusations section because we don't break the ToS and we play at reputable casinos. So, I am clear that it is not a house edge that certain players break the rules.

[Alphakilo]

I would like to say in addition that the TOS for many recent casino platforms are just like secondary layer of protection that the house adds to its own advantage, with the house edge mathematical schematics already developed to function effectively.
The TOS are just like laws to abide by and they may unintentionally catch gamblers who are actually winning or those who just gamble casually and don't read the fine print to abide by on the said gambling platform of their choosing.

[mirakal]

The TOS are just like laws to abide by and they may unintentionally catch gamblers who are actually winning or those who just gamble casually and don't read the fine print to abide by on the said gambling platform of their choosing.

Does this mean being ignorant of casino rules excuses no one.

The fine print is mostly standard anyway, even reading a few lines is enough to understand that you shouldn’t cheat if you don’t want your account terminated. Still, there are gamblers who try to look for loopholes or intentionally violate the TOS because they think that’s their best way to win. Realistically though, who can really beat the casino when it already has the edge, that’s why they resort to those tactics, but casinos aren’t stupid and they’re usually one step ahead.

[coin-investor]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

They are the ones who created it, and they will think of every way to favor their platform. I even read on one platform not only about casinos but also that, in the event of a dispute, the casino has the sole right to choose the court.

So it's part of the casino's house edge against a player; this is why we should read, take note, and understand so we can act in accordance with the casino's terms to avoid getting in trouble.

[bitbollo]

The real problem Is ... That no One read all of their terms.
For no real conditions people check all Pages and Pages. In most of the cases Is a futile excercise
Not only because they don't pay in any case, but also because they have in most of the cases many advantages that you accept Just ... playing!
Long story short, no one could discuss these with any casino... They have their own clauses
You had to accept. In case of a dispute you have not chance to win or It would be just too expensive.

[qwertyup23]

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So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

No- TOS are designed to be the rules in which the gambling casino is free to stipulate anything within its authority. They have the power to prohibit any acts that are against their practice. As soon as the player accepts the ToS and signs-up on their website, it amounts to constructive notice and consent to its players regarding it.

Like on how the system of laws are created, once you violate their ToS, even if you do not read them sentence per sentence, you will be held liable and to face the consequences thereof. The only difference is- the player can freely decline to accept the ToS and choose another gambling website to register.

In conclusion, the ToS is like the Constitution of the gambling website. Anything that violates what is stipulated on their Terms gives the online gambling casino the authority to either withheld, confiscate, or even prevent any withdrawals from a particular account.

[Slow death]

So is this mindset actually correct, or is the real issue that they didn’t choose the right casino to gamble with in the first place?

In most cases, people who have problems with casino scams didn't do their research before creating an account, so they end up having bad luck later. I would consider that they chose the wrong casino.

So how do you see this?

I see this as a scam tactic used by certain new casinos.

Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

The Terms of Service of many casinos is used as a weapon. Just read the part that says the casino has the right to change the TOS at any time without prior notice. Also, when they claim a client is using multiple accounts, they don't show proof of this accusation and immediately block the client's account with all funds, arguing that the client violated the TOS, which the casino highly respects. It's clear that many new casinos have realized that the TOS is an effective way to scam their clients.

[Peanutswar]

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So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

In somehow I guess yes because at the first place its the obligation of the player to read all of the rules related with the casino now if they fully understood and they can now freely make their game on their own, and even though they followed the rules in some cases the casino locks in their accounts and freeze their asset even though they comply with the KYC, which we dont want because the use of the crypto anonymity now no longer gets followed.

This is the reason why i do always consider the casino if they are reliable such as even in customer support so if you have an inquiry you dont need to get bothered to ask and seek help.

[acroman08]

I think I know what you’re talking about, are you referring to the famous arbitrage betting violation... lol.

That’s usually the kind of issue I see gamblers complaining about, and the rule around it is pretty complicated because it’s one sided. Only the casino or sportsbook gets to judge it, there’s no real transparency, they just tell you that you violated the rules and that’s it.

I'm not just talking about sportsbetting, I mean, your bets/winnings could get voided or confiscated if the casino found a glitch or a bug in the game you are playing, you could even get in trouble if they suspected and accused you of abusing the bug/glitch, despite you not knowing about the bug/glitch.

[Ishicryptic]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

Gambling companies, casinos are known to be run as a business, and whatever rules under their TOS are mandated to favor them, if they don't keep it positive on their end, they will surely run into losses. Casino rules are set, it's always optional for anyone who wants to use the casino to either follow the rules or not use the casino.

From my perspective, it's an extra edge for casinos without wrong.

Casino TOS are very open and clear for you to read and understand, so you can't totally call it an unfair edge because it's not a secret but the truth is that most of us don't bother to go through them. Sure TOS are indirect house edge because anything stated on it are to the advantage of the casinos and it's left for a gambler to decide whether they want to take it or not. Casinos are people's businesses and you don't expect their TOS to favor the gamblers over them, if it favors the gamblers more they will most likely go bankrupt. I agree that TOS are extra edge but it is made clear and you agreed to it, you cannot blame them of wrongdoings.

[robelneo]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

It's designed that way because, in any issue between the casino and the players, the terms are the guide to where the breach occurred.
We have to be careful to understand the terms fully, not only understand but to get an update when there is an update, because some casinos change their terms, and we miss it, and those changes make us violate the new terms. It's every gambler's duty to follow and be familiar with the rules; not doing so will get us in trouble one day.
 

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Terms and conditions of casinos are there to let the customers (users) of that casino to know the don'ts and do's of the casino, i don't see it as a hidden house edge, the problem is that most gamblers do not bother to read the Tos of a casino that they are using and because they don't read it that's why they don't know when they are falling into a problem.

[Lida93]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

This is in two ways and I can't entirely blame some of the gamblers as much as I wouldn't want to blame the casinos but in all both parties plays a faulty role.

While the casinos makes a ToS which they can simply write in simple readable way to be in a dull uninteresting text wall which onnthe part of the gambler he finds it difficult to read all those, until he has being told of faulting a ToS thays when they can spemd thw time thwu refuse spending to start searching what that particular says.

[Doan9269]

Casino ToS are not done under the pretense to what we may not know or expect form gambling, we paly and have to be more expectant for winning or losing as it may be for that particular game we play, not every game has to come with house edge, we know what we want and enjoy playing, we can go for sport if our mind is not settled, we cant be gambling and shows at the same time being too smart to be cheated when we are not, gamble for fun and leave the rest.

[yahoo62278]

Some gamblers think that a casino’s Terms of Service is just another form of house edge. The rules are always against the player, and sometimes people end up in trouble without even realizing they already violated something in the TOS.

So is this mindset actually correct, or is the real issue that they didn’t choose the right casino to gamble with in the first place?

If you’re active in the Gambling board and especially in Scam Accusations, you’ll notice a pattern. Most gamblers who run into problems are there because they violated the TOS, whether intentionally or not.

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

If players actually read the ToS before depositing, making an account, or anything else then they wouldn't find themselves in some situations. You have to look at what a casino is IMO. It is a business!! Of course the terms are favoring the house and gives them outs to not pay out in certain situations, multi accounting, bonus abuse, game malfunction, arbitrage betting, value betting, or other stupid ass situations.

Does everything seem fair? No, it's not fair in some cases, but if you are going to play you have to abide by the casino rules.

[Oluwa-btc]

Some gamblers think that a casino’s Terms of Service is just another form of house edge. The rules are always against the player, and sometimes people end up in trouble without even realizing they already violated something in the TOS.

So is this mindset actually correct, or is the real issue that they didn’t choose the right casino to gamble with in the first place?

The rules would be against the player on the ground that such person failed to go through the rules and regulations of that casino which is why taking advantage of that is always a priority while trying to use any casino. So definitely when the TOS are violated it'll always be in favour of the casinos seeming like the extra house edge.

[BitMaxz]

The rules would be against the player on the ground that such person failed to go through the rules and regulations of that casino which is why taking advantage of that is always a priority while trying to use any casino. So definitely when the TOS are violated it'll always be in favour of the casinos seeming like the extra house edge.

I never heard that there's a TOS that favors customers.

Well, all businesses have their own TOS, not only in casinos but also in other businesses; it always favors the owner, not the customers themselves.
If you don't follow the rules of any kind of business, then you'll end up losing or being banned. That's why it's always recommended to read the terms first before depositing and avoid doing something against the terms. At least you know the things that you need to avoid before using their service.

[Charles-Tim]

If you’re active in the Gambling board and especially in Scam Accusations, you’ll notice a pattern. Most gamblers who run into problems are there because they violated the TOS, whether intentionally or not.

If the person did not cheat on a gambling site, it is very possible that the other accounts that the same gambler have will only be merged after the user accounts have been known.

The problem comes fotrm when the gambling site know the person using the multiple accounts is using the accounts to cheat. There are many times that the sites needs not to be blamed.

It is also good for all gamblers and gambling site users to make sure that they read the gambling site terms of service before making use of any of the gambling sites.