Are casino TOS another “hidden house edge”?

[o48o]

Some gamblers think that a casino’s Terms of Service is just another form of house edge. The rules are always against the player, and sometimes people end up in trouble without even realizing they already violated something in the TOS.

So is this mindset actually correct, or is the real issue that they didn’t choose the right casino to gamble with in the first place?

If you’re active in the Gambling board and especially in Scam Accusations, you’ll notice a pattern. Most gamblers who run into problems are there because they violated the TOS, whether intentionally or not.

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

What pattern i am seeing, is that people never seem to bother to read the terms of service. But please, elaborate how rules are against the player?

Because casinos need to be "against the player" only with the house edge. It's not personal that your account gets frozen, or casinos wanting more money. Especially big casinos have enough money, they don't care about your jackpots.

Casinos just comply with AML regulations. Gamblers who get banned aren't special cases and scammed poor victims. They are just so self-important and arrogant that they think rules and regulations don't apply to them, so they didn't even bother to read the ToS.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

They are the ones who created it, and they will think of every way to favor their platform. I even read on one platform not only about casinos but also that, in the event of a dispute, the casino has the sole right to choose the court.

So it's part of the casino's house edge against a player; this is why we should read, take note, and understand so we can act in accordance with the casino's terms to avoid getting in trouble.

I think that's what other business are, they wrote their Terms of Services because they have to protect them at some point as there could be customers that might take advantage of their system and they don't have any weapons against it.

In short, there could be gamblers too specially in the early years of crypto gambling that has game the system of casinos to the point that it's considered as stealing already. So I'm not judging casinos of today who wanted to write everything to favor and protect them. So others might see this as hidden house edge but it terms out to be sort of protection and we as gamblers might have to read it and understand before playing on their platform.

[CryptSafe]

OP, you will agree with me that terms and conditions are very important part of an organisation mou with their clients, they use it as a condition to offer services and also lure customers with bonus so that they will not mind the TOS before registering and that is one the major problems I have noticed on the scam accusations board where a member do not read it but is quick to register because of bonuses and incentives and when they get trapped, they are quick to complain.

Ordinarily, we all know that tos is a kind of trap used to get players down but some smart players would definitely go through it and ask questions before they proceed but however, I agree with your opinion about tos being a " hidden house edge" for casinos.

[aioc]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

TOS or terms of service are meant to protect any platforms; they have the right to set the rules, especially in casinos, because they are transaction and betting-based, and they don't want their platform abused or cheaters to get in, and they are also under regulation.
I consider TOS an edge for the platform, not only for casinos over their users, because they set the rules. They have the final say on every issue based on their judgment, and they can even choose the court's location in disputes. Users of the platform should understand what they are signing up for before joining and putting in money.

[Ivystar5]

I think I have come across something like this in this board, where someone said something about the disclaimers in TOS of casino as something that they intentionally use against users in order to hold them captive when something happens but it's seems to be more broad, it could be a hidden agenda that casinos use to discharge every claims that people might make against them. i might agree with you quite a bear because they use it as defence system in court.

[FirmWars]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

I will go with the later, gamblers are ignoring the rules until is too late, take me for example, I find it too exhausting to read the long wall of text in those TOS, imagine the number of gamblers who are like me that doesn't read TOS, even when they break rules of the casino they don't know but they go ahead to make accusations about the casino without knowing they are even at fault and caused their account to be locked.

[Hazink]

I think I have come across something like this in this board, where someone said something about the disclaimers in TOS of casino as something that they intentionally use against users in order to hold them captive when something happens but it's seems to be more broad, it could be a hidden agenda that casinos use to discharge every claims that people might make against them. i might agree with you quite a bear because they use it as defence system in court.

They are trying as much as they can to play safe, but if they are over stressing their power and such a casino is being brought to the public by many who have been affected by the same type of oppression by a casino, then there is a need for the community not just here to help sort those problems out and if the casino still continues to take their tos against players even when they are right then they should be considered as scammers.

[Odogwu-Blockchain]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

The casino platform quitely knew that players often fail to read terms of service many times which affected players outcome.
Its quite unfortunate that most times the players do it rightly when playing and so the casino companies forge out reasons to forfiet players funds. I see no reason as to why players will be denied for regional restrictions.

Many signs that ToS of many casinos are really against players is the regional restriction on players, very unfortunate.

[Sticky Bomb]

Some gamblers think that a casino’s Terms of Service is just another form of house edge. The rules are always against the player, and sometimes people end up in trouble without even realizing they already violated something in the TOS.

Yep it's a house edge, but the gamblers set themselves up for it by not reading the T&C. Most gamblers don't read the T&C because they're in a hurry to gamble. I find myself doing such most times. If you read the T&Cs properly, you'll be aware of most of these house edges and avoid them.

Maybe you can also screenshot them too for reference purpose in case the casino alter it when you've a case against them.

[Odusko]

No, having ToS is not a show to display for casino house edge, because despite upon all these conditions, a gambler can still penetrate and make it into winning by any chance, it is not as if we are restricted to have an opportunity of winning, but in some game play, mostly the casino games, there seems to be more consideration for house edge over the way gamblers play and even though their is fairness in doing this.

Do we now sees casino terms and conditions as means to keep the gambler losing to the casino, I don't believe that is the reason for creation of term and conditions in the casino, the main goal for terms of service is to provide a guideline for the gambler this rules guide their conduct and regardless wether the rules favor the casino only or not, there is always the time that the gambler will have so much luck to win the game regardless.

[ryzaadit]

Term is also favor into the one who provided the service.

But let's be honest, we also don't forget most the time us or user not reading term & condition. Even you created a good term & condition, do they really read it ? no, off course not they gonna to be read it once got the problem.

So, also don't blame the T&C. You must admit must blame the user not reading any term at all.

[Questat]

no, off course not they gonna to be read it once got the problem.

That’s usually the case. Most players only read the TOS once a problem comes up, and support will point out the specific part they supposedly violated.

But the thing is, not all players will agree that they actually violated the TOS even when support shows them the section. It’s not always about refusing to accept it, sometimes they just don’t see it as reasonable or they interpret the rule differently.

That’s why TOS should be written clearly, so everyone involved can easily understand it without confusion.

[uchegod-21]

I think I have come across something like this in this board, where someone said something about the disclaimers in TOS of casino as something that they intentionally use against users in order to hold them captive when something happens but it's seems to be more broad, it could be a hidden agenda that casinos use to discharge every claims that people might make against them. i might agree with you quite a bear because they use it as defence system in court.

The casinos do everything to favour themselves. Op is not wrong, the Casino ToS is another house edge in disguise. Have you ever seen any ToS that gives the gambler an added advantage? They've always been terms that'll make you lose your money if you are careless enough not to read through them. Get it today that the ToS is well drafted out to protect and preserve the house edge. You'll be falling into their trap if you don't read before using  the casino.

These disclaimers and terms are what give the casinos powers over you. With that, they can reward you, freeze your account, shut down the account and even withhold your reward and you cannot fight back because you were warned earlier but you just didn't read.

[Cantsay]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

In most cases I’d say yes it is a house edge since it was written to always favour the casino and never the gambler like others said already.

But if you look at it you’ll see that the TOS is actually present for everyone to see, so it’s not like they hid it, it’s just that it’s a lengthy write up and such discouraged a lot of people to read it and whn they eventually do something that goes against it they’ll tag the casino as a scammy one that uses tos against their customers so as to seize their funds or void their bets meanwhile everything was there for them to see in the first place.

I think we should normalize using ai to help us see if our strategy goes against the tos of a casino or probably use it to summarize and get the most useful bits from it so we don’t have to read all through those wall of texts and I’m sure a lot of gamblers would avoid some of they things they are being accused of doing if they actually go through the tos or the summarized version.

[Pi-network314159]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

TOS are designed as an extra edge or layer against fraud, and this function as another hidden house edge according to the op. Yes it is another edge because it has deprive so many people the benevolent of Casino. Many people has left their won amount on casino just because Casino refuse to allow them withdrawal their winings. So I will say that TOS are  really a house edge that casino use against the gamblers.

[mikel_012]

Many people get a positive edge because they break the casino TOS with value bets or arbitrage. For that they need to balance by confiscating the value of others that clearly break the TOS and try to make money against the casino which needs to profit to stay in business

But if you are a legit player and read the rules careful you will not get banned easily. I never got suspended from a casino because I never do more than just normal gambling, so I don't understand why so many people get banned unless they are doing something bad and come to complain.

[viljy]

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So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

In a way, you can think of it that way. But only then can the same be said about other platforms, such as exchanges. On the other hand, it would be difficult to work without strict TOS, because every user is potentially capable of cheating, even if he himself does not think so. Therefore, it should be considered from the casino's point of view too.

[Mpamaegbu]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

But of course, everyone should know that Terms of Service will favour more the person/institution that sets it up than those who patronize them. TOS helps protect businesses and keep them running. There's always that edge it should have. For casinos, I don't see anything wrong with that because I know it's a business and businesses are set up for profit making. Where it becomes bad will be when casinos begin to manufacture what isn't in the TOS just to deny already won bets or accuse winners of exploiting them through a back door that doesn't exist.

[Fortify]

Some gamblers think that a casino’s Terms of Service is just another form of house edge. The rules are always against the player, and sometimes people end up in trouble without even realizing they already violated something in the TOS.

So is this mindset actually correct, or is the real issue that they didn’t choose the right casino to gamble with in the first place?

If you’re active in the Gambling board and especially in Scam Accusations, you’ll notice a pattern. Most gamblers who run into problems are there because they violated the TOS, whether intentionally or not.

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

Can you give an example of specific terms because the whole terms of service is just too broad. In almost any business where there is a contract between two parties it is beneficial to have a contract - rules that must be followed otherwise the contract is broken with or without penalties. You seem to think that it is only the casinos who are the bad guys, but I've seen plenty of manipulative players who try to screw other people over and will lie about the circumstances around a transaction. Any seriously serious terms would clearly be abusive and should be called out, but this requires you to give specific evidence..

[lovesmayfamilis]

Anyone who drives a car is always aware of the rules and the penalties that follow for breaking them. Yet, we regularly see those who disregard these rules. Does breaking casino rules make a difference? Players, relying on their cunning and dexterity, and perhaps even their intelligence, whose capabilities they clearly exaggerate, hope to cheat their way into the games. I often read accusations that the player didn't know, didn't realize, or thought they weren't violating the multi-account ban, followed by allegations that the casino isn't paying out their "legitimate" winnings. This involves blatant lies, self-justification, and other self-defense tactics, while the cause of all the drama is the player themselves. Therefore, if there are rules, they must be followed; "ignorance of the rules is no excuse."