Are casino TOS another “hidden house edge”?

[Findingnemo]

99.9% of the people just tick the I read ToS check box without reading and they will realize some rules are exists only after the casino void their bets or locked their account and started creaming they are scammers when they have made the mistake from the other side. Yes, casino got some rules that benefits them but it is our responsibility again to know all those things and not to do anything that is against their terms.

[Strongkored]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

TOS are created to prevent casinos from going bankrupt due to cheating players. Yes, it sounds like it benefits them, but it's also impossible for a casino not to have TOS.
Most players who violate the TOS never read it, I also don’t read all of it, just the important parts, because this is also to protect players from harmful things, for example, dishonest casinos since not all casinos can be trusted.

[Botnake]

99.9% of the people just tick the I read ToS check box without reading and they will realize some rules are exists only after the casino void their bets or locked their account and started creaming they are scammers when they have made the mistake from the other side. Yes, casino got some rules that benefits them but it is our responsibility again to know all those things and not to do anything that is against their terms.

At some point we can also see this as a positive thing, because when people just click without reading, it shows they trust the casino to treat them fairly. In reality, problems do happen but only a few gamblers actually experience them. A lot of the complaints we see don’t even come with evidence, so it’s hard to tell if they’re telling the truth or just trying to damage a casino’s reputation. That’s why regulators really need to step up here, protecting gamblers is supposed to be their job.

[danherbias07]

Honestly, I believe it's in favor of the online casino, but it's also a security measure to avoid cheating and abusing their promotions and usage.

Let's be real here, there will always be gamblers who think they can take advantage of anything that the casino offers. Just months ago, there was this guy who told me a story of how he took advantage of the deposit bonus. He created two accounts first, received the deposit bonus, and played a game where he could become both the banker and the player. He just rotated the money to his two accounts, gained the wagering requirement, and then walked out with all the money, including the deposit bonus. No losses.

That's just one guy. It can be done by many, and a good example of abuse is the online games and airdrops with so many accounts from just one person. There will always be abuse if they see an opportunity.

[YOSHIE]

Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

In general, the Terms of Service/TOS in general are often used as the main milestone for the Terms of Service, as in general what we often see such as applications/websites, yes, even though online casinos often operate with applications/websites, it is not impossible that TOS has an active role and function in online casino services.

Considering that TOS can function as establishing rules at the core of the service, as well as regulating the user's own rights and obligations, including protecting, but I don't want to say TOS is a hidden advantage tool used by online casinos, it all comes back to each user's confidence in assessing the presence of TOS in online casinos.

[Cityhunter34]

It's always essential for us to go through rules and regulations because most times we often get carried away because of the fact that they are offering a good bonus forgetting that every casinos has their own decision. Sometimes I used to wonder why someone would purposely hope on becoming rich overnight in gambling knowing fully well that the game is program for the house to benefit more than the gamblers. Honestly, there's nothing good than following the casinos terms and conditions because that's exactly the best way to overcome challenges in gambling.

[dunfida]

Honestly, I believe it's in favor of the online casino, but it's also a security measure to avoid cheating and abusing their promotions and usage.

Let's be real here, there will always be gamblers who think they can take advantage of anything that the casino offers. Just months ago, there was this guy who told me a story of how he took advantage of the deposit bonus. He created two accounts first, received the deposit bonus, and played a game where he could become both the banker and the player. He just rotated the money to his two accounts, gained the wagering requirement, and then walked out with all the money, including the deposit bonus. No losses.

That's just one guy. It can be done by many, and a good example of abuse is the online games and airdrops with so many accounts from just one person. There will always be abuse if they see an opportunity.

On any business then there's always that rules and regulations or simply its terms and conditions on which it will be not just that only implying about those security measures but also it is giving out that advantage into them as well. Its not something a hidden house edge literally but you can be able to tell that they will be always having the edge. When you do play gambling then the main priority should be that speaking about having some fun but of course you should be also that minding about into the risks involved when it comes on busing up your funds or money. Always be considerate about on your spending because the real approach on here is that house do always win at the end.

Abuses are normal and its normal for a business that they would be putting up those prohibitions that will affect their business negatively. Its normal for any business out there. Dont overthink too much about those rules or what because it is just that typical things.

[bakasabo]

Some gamblers think that a casino’s Terms of Service is just another form of house edge. The rules are always against the player, and sometimes people end up in trouble without even realizing they already violated something in the TOS.

That does not make sense. What do you mean with «without even realizing they have violated something» ? If they would have read ToS, the would not have violated anything, maybe even not playing in that casino. They cant blame casino when they were busy or lazy to read rules. They cant use that as an argument in complainant. «I did not know» is elementary school logic. Most of troubles comes when people dont read or dont try to understand rules.

[shield132]

Some gamblers think that a casino’s Terms of Service is just another form of house edge. The rules are always against the player, and sometimes people end up in trouble without even realizing they already violated something in the TOS.

So is this mindset actually correct, or is the real issue that they didn’t choose the right casino to gamble with in the first place?

If you’re active in the Gambling board and especially in Scam Accusations, you’ll notice a pattern. Most gamblers who run into problems are there because they violated the TOS, whether intentionally or not.

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

Casino is a business and TOS are designed in a way to keep the business protected. Btw, what you say is true in both cases, TOS are designed as an extra edge for casinos and at the same time, some gamblers are ignoring rules until it's too late. Btw trust is a huge deciding factor in crypto casino business. If you read TOS of casinos, you will not like it on any website you visit but that's where the trust comes. There are many casinos who do their job honestly and do not always punish users at every possibility. For example, if you accidentally create two accounts, casino can freeze both of your accounts with a balance but there are trustworthy casinos that will freeze your account but will give you your money back.

[Cointxz]

It’s not a hidden house edge since it’s content is disclosed to all the players but you have a point here that it serve as additional house edge since the casino operator can include a rule there that will make them safe from any form of sure bets or potential losses coming from players that will find a way to exploit some of their features.

Sometime it's hidden because the casino didn't mention all of their rules, they use word "etc" which no one know what is exactly the etc that the casino means. I don't think "we" even read the whole rules, we only search what we're looking for, we might not aware with other rules that could affect us.

I agree on this part since they sometimes use a generalized terms to cover everything even on vague descriptions that later on can be used against the player.

But most of the time, Casino ToS is very specific especially on reputable casino to avoid future dispute against users that encounter problem because this vague ToS sometimes do backfires against casino reputation once the case was move to public trial like Bitcointalk scam accusation board.

[Findingnemo]

99.9% of the people just tick the I read ToS check box without reading and they will realize some rules are exists only after the casino void their bets or locked their account and started creaming they are scammers when they have made the mistake from the other side. Yes, casino got some rules that benefits them but it is our responsibility again to know all those things and not to do anything that is against their terms.

At some point we can also see this as a positive thing, because when people just click without reading, it shows they trust the casino to treat them fairly. In reality, problems do happen but only a few gamblers actually experience them. A lot of the complaints we see don’t even come with evidence, so it’s hard to tell if they’re telling the truth or just trying to damage a casino’s reputation. That’s why regulators really need to step up here, protecting gamblers is supposed to be their job.

Everyone is on ther own, regulators just take the fee and they don't do anything else and casino has to defend for themselves and the same time the victims affected by casinos also need to take things on their hands, that is why some of the valid accusations were discussed in mediating platforms like casinoguru or here in scam accusation and will try to find a solution for that. AFAIK, many such cases were resolved when the user provided the valid evidences rather than just stories and wall of text.

[dimonstration]

Some gamblers think that a casino’s Terms of Service is just another form of house edge. The rules are always against the player, and sometimes people end up in trouble without even realizing they already violated something in the TOS.

That does not make sense. What do you mean with «without even realizing they have violated something» ? If they would have read ToS, the would not have violated anything, maybe even not playing in that casino. They cant blame casino when they were busy or lazy to read rules. They cant use that as an argument in complainant. «I did not know» is elementary school logic. Most of troubles comes when people dont read or dont try to understand rules.

Definitely, you’re right that user will not have any problem if they will read the ToS carefully. Ignorance of the law excuse no one which is same application on the ToS.

Some gamblers tend to skip ToS because they knew that content sometimes recycle from other casino but some casino have their own unique ToS.

It’s a common gambler mistake to just read the ToS after violating it.

[Japinat]

It’s a common gambler mistake to just read the ToS after violating it.

I wouldn’t bother reading the TOS anymore if I already knew I violated it and I’m aware of what I did. But if I get tagged for a violation without even knowing about it, that’s a different story. I think most of the time we’re actually unaware that we violated something, and instead of accepting it, we end up accusing the casino of cheating.

[xbetz.io]

I don’t think TOS are a “hidden house edge” in the mathematical sense but they do create an information asymmetry. Most players don’t read or fully understand clauses around limits, bonus eligibility or internal reviews until after something goes wrong. At that point, the casino has all the leverage.

In many disputes, the issue isn’t that the rules were broken intentionally but that they’re written broadly enough to be enforced selectively, often only once volume or winnings increase. So it’s less about gamblers ignoring rules and more about transparency and predictability. Clear limits upfront reduce friction. Vague clauses create it.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

Well, I don't know what to say actually, but then and honestly speaking, there is no business any where around the world that will set her own rules against her own self, jeopardizing the business's ability to create and make profit while driving same profit to the customers, this is not done any where, even charity organizations don't just dash out money to anyone that comes around them asking for help.

Casinos are built as a business and as such, they have their right to create their own rules which customers/the gamblers are expected to abide to so long as they choose to gamble on that casino.
So whether casinos create their rules as another form of house edge for the casino doesn't really matter, it's for their own benefit and if you as a gambler isn't comfortable with the rules of this casino, you can easily choose another.

[noorman0]

I don’t think TOS are a “hidden house edge” in the mathematical sense but they do create an information asymmetry. Most players don’t read or fully understand clauses around limits, bonus eligibility or internal reviews until after something goes wrong. At that point, the casino has all the leverage.

There are several, or many, gray areas of the ToS that fail to be mathematically defined. For example, bonus abuse is often claimed after a player has achieved a win. They can always claim abuse retrospectively. Also, regarding technical errors/game provider glitches, these aren't explicitly explained. As long as the error benefits the casino and the player isn't aware of it, it's silent.

[Beparanf]

99.9% of the people just tick the I read ToS check box without reading and they will realize some rules are exists only after the casino void their bets or locked their account and started creaming they are scammers when they have made the mistake from the other side. Yes, casino got some rules that benefits them but it is our responsibility again to know all those things and not to do anything that is against their terms.

Other casino already removing the mandatory ToS acknowledgement during the registration process to make the registration quick and easy.

AFAIK I don’t remember ticking a box so far that I acknowledge to read the ToS when I registered on new casino unlike before that this is a mandatory action before you can create an account.

I will not be surprised if many users are not familiar with casino ToS.

[Findingnemo]

99.9% of the people just tick the I read ToS check box without reading and they will realize some rules are exists only after the casino void their bets or locked their account and started creaming they are scammers when they have made the mistake from the other side. Yes, casino got some rules that benefits them but it is our responsibility again to know all those things and not to do anything that is against their terms.

Other casino already removing the mandatory ToS acknowledgement during the registration process to make the registration quick and easy.

AFAIK I don’t remember ticking a box so far that I acknowledge to read the ToS when I registered on new casino unlike before that this is a mandatory action before you can create an account.

I will not be surprised if many users are not familiar with casino ToS.

If I am not wrong they might removed the check box but when we click the new account there will be some kind of disclaimer in that page that says I agree to the ToS that says all, anyway users are not reading and casino wants the user to check in as soon as possible so they made the tweak that will affect the users at the end if they are ignorant about those stuffs.

[|MINER|]

Some gamblers think that a casino’s Terms of Service is just another form of house edge. The rules are always against the player, and sometimes people end up in trouble without even realizing they already violated something in the TOS.

So is this mindset actually correct, or is the real issue that they didn’t choose the right casino to gamble with in the first place?

If you’re active in the Gambling board and especially in Scam Accusations, you’ll notice a pattern. Most gamblers who run into problems are there because they violated the TOS, whether intentionally or not.

So how do you see this?
Are TOS really designed as an extra edge for casinos, or are gamblers just ignoring the rules until it’s too late?

It is true that most terms and conditions are against the players, but it is not that such terms and conditions are implemented only to take against the players, but rather, these terms and conditions are applied to prevent many players from exploiting or abusing the games and winning money. So it should not be said directly here that the terms and conditions and others have a “hidden house edge”.
And here if we say another different point then yes in this case it can also happen that many times a gambler chooses the wrong platform while selecting his casino and that is mainly because of this the terms and conditions affect them terribly like another house edge

[mikel_012]

99.9% of the people just tick the I read ToS check box without reading and they will realize some rules are exists only after the casino void their bets or locked their account and started creaming they are scammers when they have made the mistake from the other side. Yes, casino got some rules that benefits them but it is our responsibility again to know all those things and not to do anything that is against their terms.

Other casino already removing the mandatory ToS acknowledgement during the registration process to make the registration quick and easy.

AFAIK I don’t remember ticking a box so far that I acknowledge to read the ToS when I registered on new casino unlike before that this is a mandatory action before you can create an account.

I will not be surprised if many users are not familiar with casino ToS.

Did you ever read a TOS before? I think 99% of people just tick the box without reading, I never seen anyone clicking and reading a full essay of words that is the TOS of services because people just know most is just burocracy and doesn't matter.

For casinos they often have the same rules of not allowing multiple accounts and using bugs and glitches and this is it. If you just bet like a human does with no bad intentions and play fair you often do not get banned. I know I never got banned from a casino or got accounts frozen.