Nuke User, Autoban User - What's the difference?

[DYING_S0UL]

I'm creating this separate topic because I feel like I may have unintentionally derailed the OP's thread.

As the subject implies, I wanted to know more about terms like "Autoban User" and "Nuke User". And exactly what's gonna trigger them (specially the autoban one)?

And exactly how many bans are there? Autoban, nuke, self ban and any other on the list?

Here is my original post and some of the replies I have gotten so far.

Apologizing for bumping this very old post. Yeah, I saw that 120 days warning message. Actually, I bumped into this post while searching for another one.

Long story short I saw a banned user, went to his profile, hovered my mouse cursor around the banned message (I use BPIP extension), and it said "Autoban on xx/xx/xx date).

So what's an "Autoban" anyway?
I know there is this "Normal Ban" (afaik, it's called nuking an user) that Mods manually apply.
And there is this "Self Ban" that can be triggered by secret questions.
But what's this 3rd one? And what's the requirement for triggering this?
In OP's posts, there is also mentions of "Autoban", but unfortunately no details.

Autoban as the name implies is "automatic ban".
This means that no admin or moderator manually reviewed the profile to ban it. The system detects obvious breaking of the forum rules and triggers a ban.

I'm not sure. Are you saying that the plagiarism report has not been checked by any moderator? The user is banned for plagiarism. The system does not detect plagiarism on its own.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg66545079#msg66545079
https://bpip.org/Profile?p=Ocham

Yes, I was referring to this user. I saw him posting in my local section a few days ago and all of a sudden he got banned. I got curious, went to his profile and I saw that term.
And, as per your plagiarism report, I guess Xal0lex banned him as he is the one who merited your post. Then I wonder why it says "Autoban" instead of something else like nuke!?
I also checked some of the users that were reported there. Some users have "Nuke User", while others have "Autoban User" message. I again wonder how are they different?

Since you two have engaged there @lovesmayfamilis, @Zoomic, please continue here if you guys wanna give any new arguments/explanatins etc. Thanks.  

[Nwada001]

Correct me if I'm wrong;

One thing I have observed about both types of bans is this: when a user is said to have been nuked, it's handled by a moderator like always, but all the posts in the user's profile get deleted and banned at the end.

For auto-banning, the same when the profile is reported for breaking forum rules, a ban is being given to the user.

Edit: From the table of Loycev:

..(Autobanned) users, only Newbies can be nuked (meaning all their posts are deleted when they get banned). Anyone from Jr. Member and up can't be nuked, unless a Mod manually removes enough of their posts to derank them back to Newbie.

With the quote above, my statement is still right; only newbies get nuked down while higher rank members get banned.

[DYING_S0UL]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1273656.msg13131013#msg13131013

Thank you. I think I got what these two bans really meant.

Why did you assume that I was the one who banned that user? Is it because I gave merit to that post? 🙂 No, you're mistaken—I don't have that authority.

Yeah because of the merits. Anyway, I was wrong then.

"Nuke user" is a type of permanent ban in which, in addition to the ban itself, all of the user's threads and posts are also deleted. It is performed manually and can be carried out by any staff member.

"Autoban user" refers to a situation where a user is banned, but all of their posts and threads are preserved. This type of ban can be either permanent or temporary. It is available only to global moderators and administrators.

So both of the bans are applied manually! There are no "auto" in the process. Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere.

[Btcdeybodi]

So both of the bans are applied manually! There are no "auto" in the process. Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere.

Why are you contradicting yourself? the profile @Ocham was autobanned for plagiarism and as you can see their posts history was not deleted and besides the profile is a Jr Member rank so there is no way it would have been nuked. ''Autoban'' is for profiles with the ranks of Jr Member and above while ''Nuked'' is obviously for newbie account.

[PX-Z]

So both of the bans are applied manually! There are no "auto" in the process. Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere.

Yes, the "auto" in the word autobanned is just a label here for banned users doing shits as there's no automated system/bots or banning.

Ps. Your quoted replies are confusing me, i checked it, those came from xalolex instead from you.

[Zoomic]

Thanks for the mention.

So both of the bans are applied manually! There are no "auto" in the process. Correct me if I'm wrong anywhere.

Yes, Xal0lex already mentioned it in the other thread

Autoban as the name implies is "automatic ban".
This means that no admin or moderator manually reviewed the profile to ban it. The system detects obvious breaking of the forum rules and triggers a ban.

No, you're wrong; every ban is applied manually.

He pointed to this thread.

There are 2 types of bans.

Autobans. Isn't what it sounds like, it means someone pressed the ban button, but it's automatically carried out, as opposed to be manually entered.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1273656.msg13131013#msg13131013

I however think that the auto ban idea came around 2018 when they said that spam was at its peak. Maybe as the forum progressed, the auto ban feature changed.

[Mia Chloe]

One thing I have observed about both types of bans is this: when a user is said to have been nuked, it's handled by a moderator like always, but all the posts in the user's profile get deleted and banned at the end.
For auto-banning, the same when the profile is reported for breaking forum rules, a ban is being given to the user.

Hmmmm I'm kinda confused here... Is there a chance that the system auto bans  people if they break rules apart from proxy bans and those evil fee stuff? I'm asking because I initially thought proxy bans were the auto ban you guys are referring to.

One thing I have observed about both types of bans is this: when a user is said to have been nuked, it's handled by a moderator like always, but all the posts in the user's profile get deleted and banned at the end.
For auto-banning, the same when the profile is reported for breaking forum rules, a ban is being given to the user.

What's the difference exactly because I don't really see any here since either way moderators are the ones executing the ban or is the reason for the ban what classifies it as either autoban or Nuke user.  From what LoyceV said nuking seems to be an entire deletion of the account.

[Nwada001]

What's the difference exactly because I don't really see any here since either way moderators are the ones executing the ban or is the reason for the ban what classifies it as either autoban or Nuke user.

The difference was kind of explained above. Both types of bans are handled by the moderators, who have access to do that.

It's easier to just say when a user is banned and an entire post is deleted, they are nuked down, while when they just got banned without their post getting wiped out, they are auto-banned.

From what LoyceV said nuking seems to be an entire deletion of the account.

A report is made, and the ban option is triggered. Newbies get all their posts deleted, not the account entirely, when they get nuked down, while people with higher ranks are the ones whose accounts are being marked as auto-ban.

[Zaguru12]

What's the difference exactly because I don't really see any here since either way moderators are the ones executing the ban or is the reason for the ban what classifies it as either autoban or Nuke user.  From what LoyceV said nuking seems to be an entire deletion of the account.

Let me quote two explanations for you

First is Theymos which says it’s just a name

I only changed the message on autobans. ("Autoban" = lingo indicating a type of ban. They're usually not actually automatic.)

And the a broader explanation by BadBear

There are 2 types of bans.

Autobans. Isn't what it sounds like, it means someone pressed the ban button, but it's automatically carried out, as opposed to be manually entered. Though there is a mod or two running scripts because of the spammers. This results in the message You were banned by a forum moderator, email xxx. Both global mods and admins use this, so it isn't a guarantee it was a moderator, just more likely. I use autoban instead of manual bans for permanent bans because it's faster and more efficient. All bans in the modlog are autobans, and permanent. 

Autobans ban the account involved only, you can still log in and do everything normally, just can't post or pm. It also adds units of evil to the IPs used, a new account created using these IPs will need to pay a fee. Units of evil increase with additional bans. Nuking is essentially an autoban+deletion of posts.

Manual bans are only available to admins, and are generally configured the same way as above, though it's possible to increase the scope of the ban to include things like registering from certain emails/providers, ips, subnets, hostnames, etc. Can also add multiple accounts to the same ban. It's also possible to prevent banned users from logging in at all using the banned account, this will prevent them from being able to read the forum and access pm's too though, so I rarely use it. These result in the customized reason for the ban+duration, insubstantial posts or whatever.

Then as for Nuke user it’s simply a ban to newbies with less activity than 30 and when banned all post are deleted. This is much that I know, both Auto ban user and nuke user the same but deletion of posts is the major difference.

Then under this bans we have
Permanent ban
Temporary ban
Signature ban

[DYING_S0UL]

First is Theymos which says it’s just a name

I only changed the message on autobans. ("Autoban" = lingo indicating a type of ban. They're usually not actually automatic.)

And the a broader explanation by BadBear

....snip....

Everything is sorted now. I understood when or in what cases they are normally used. Thank you for the 2 links and everyone else who tried to help. I really appreciate it.

In the meantime, I'm still trying to learn "Searching effectively". Before making this post, I did searched autoban, but the result didn't show those two old threads. I wonder why...maybe I used the wrong sets of keywords?!

Anyway, since my question has been answered, I'll lock this topic in 24 hours,…m in case someone wants to make additional suggestions/comments.

[Zaguru12]

In the meantime, I'm still trying to learn "Searching effectively". Before making this post, I did searched autoban, but the result didn't show those two old threads. I wonder why...maybe I used the wrong sets of keywords?!

Although this is another different question entirely. For me I still don’t get use to the forum search that properly but one thing that has helped my searching on the forum mainly is using the bitlist.co Bitcointalk archival

Then another manual method is using the goggle search by typing the key word and adding Bitcointalk.org behind the sentence like

Code:

difference between AutoBan and nuked user Bitcointalk.org

This will bring out some information that are actually related to that key word in Bitcointalk forum. Although not everything but it is actually that effective

[Upgrade00]

In the meantime, I'm still trying to learn "Searching effectively". Before making this post, I did searched autoban, but the result didn't show those two old threads. I wonder why...maybe I used the wrong sets of keywords?!

One thing that helps me sometimes is to search with a name which is most relevant to the question. In this case of a question regarding a forum policy on autobans, I'll search up all the times theymos has mentioned it, and check through for anything official on that subject.

In a search involving 2 words, you can enclose them in quotes "". Forum search will normally bring you pages where the 2 words were mentioned in any order, enclosing them will give more specific responses.
You can also try adjusting the time period of your search and other parameters to get the best result for what you're looking for.

[TypoTonic]

In the meantime, I'm still trying to learn "Searching effectively". Before making this post, I did searched autoban, but the result didn't show those two old threads. I wonder why...maybe I used the wrong sets of keywords?!

I just tried using the forum's advanced search, and I see those two old posts quoted by a staff on page 1 of the results -- What is AutoBan and how does it differ from Permanent ban?

I also played around the search parameters, and then when I tried to choose older topics first, I saw these results that I think could also be relevant:

Nuke removes all of a users posts/threads and bans them (spambots).
[...]
The autoban thing is misleading. The message you got when banned by a global mod used to include autoban in it, but that was just the name of the tool (and the usergroup), there are no autobans. That message has since been changed.  

Autoban is just the name of the ban tool.  It's a ban button, opposed to the typical SMF method which involves putting all the information in manually.

[LoyceV]

Is there a chance that the system auto bans  people if they break rules apart from proxy bans and those evil fee stuff?

MindlessElectron can do that, but sometimes innocent users got banned so I don't think it still bans users.

After seeing this discussion for several times over the years, I'd say the whole "Autobanned user" thing should be renamed to "Banned user". That's much less confusing.

Trivia: theymos' weekly Trust data dump only contains Trust relations between users with at least one post. If a user gets Nuked, their Trust list shows as empty:

Wiped 3508965: SAT0SHI NAKAMOT0 (Trust:  neutral) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP) (this imposter was Nuked)

[Mitchell]

MindlessElectron can do that, but sometimes innocent users got banned so I don't think it still bans users.

It very much does, otherwise the forum would've had a lot more spam. I'm just more careful with what will be nuked right away and what will just be removed (and reported if posted again by the same account).

I've also added a suspicious text function that only reports and nothing else. For certain specific cases.