♻️ DEX.fo — Auto Crypto Exchange 💚 NO KYC/AML 💚 Escrow 1 BTC

[safar1980]

I made an exchange three days ago, and today I cannot find the details via the link https://dex.fo/order?id=xxx.
I think it is right that even if someone finds out my order ID, they cannot access information about the exchange after a few days have passed. The receipt of coins can be verified on the blockchain or in the wallet.

This is because of privacy reasons

I believe they delete all data about the old sessions after a few days because if there is any leak or authorities want to request data then they can not comply or leak anything about customers.

Because this is a NO KYC and NO AML exchange, it is good that they work like this

This is the reason you need to download the Letter of Guarantee, because it will never expire as the signature is valid forever and you can always prove or get support after many days have passed

On average, the exchange takes 30–45 minutes, if no issues arise, I only save the exchange ID.
Although saving the letter of guarantee would be a useful habit.

[hosemary]

Apparently I dont have LTC right now to transact and test it out if this will still seek for a refund address or its a visual bug for the swapping of the names base on the Javascript and not in the whole system itself.

You don't have to exchange Litecoin to test that.
Just set the sending coin to Litecoin and leave the refund address field empty. You will see that the "Exchange" button remains disabled and you won't be able to proceed to the next step at all.

[Daniel91]

Today I used your service to exchange ETH to BTC and everything went smoothly and without any problems, the exchange was completed in 35 minutes.
I'm glad that you accepted my proposal and introduced a "guarantee letter" that has already become the standard of this industry.
The page is transparent, with all the necessary information for the user, but one thing is still confusing to me.
Even half an hour after the transaction was completed and the funds were deposited into my account, these 3 messages are still being exchanged on your page: ''awaiting confirmations'' and ''processing your deposit'' and ''waiting for block finalization''.
Is it an error in the system?
In any case, the transaction went smoothly and without problems, relatively quickly, so I'm not complaining, but for some users this could be a bit confusing (if they are sending funds to someone else and that confirmation is important to them).

[mikel_012]

On average, the exchange takes 30–45 minutes, if no issues arise, I only save the exchange ID.
Although saving the letter of guarantee would be a useful habit.

I think it's important to save all letters because it takes only 30 seconds to download and verify with https://bitlist.co

If you forget anything can happen and in 30 minutes you wonder where is the money but the order is not loading and you do not have the money. I do not think this will be a big problem with DEX.fo but you should check everything before you send any money because even the address can be altered if you have a malware in your pc or phone

[Hamza2424]

The idea was spontaneous.

if i pay for bride price with 0.0465 BTC (about $3,000) as at today's rate, I'll like to look back in 10 years time to know the current rate. My children would be wowed in 20 years time knowing about it.

So your target is only 0.0465 BTC. Well, that's great because at least you know how much you need, and in the next 10 years it could give you at least 3x. And why would your children be wowed after 20 years? I mean, by the same amount?

Anyway, I think I am not understanding your whole story. Don't you have some place else where we can discuss it without going off topic here? And best of luck.

[MarryWithBTC]

Don't you have some place else where we can discuss it without going off topic here? And best of luck.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5527472.msg64983873#msg64983873

[SamReomo]

The idea was spontaneous.

if i pay for bride price with 0.0465 BTC (about $3,000) as at today's rate, I'll like to look back in 10 years time to know the current rate. My children would be wowed in 20 years time knowing about it.

Sometimes you'll have to spend money to get something and if it's about getting your life partner then I believe it's going to be a good deal. I know in 10 years or in 20 years time  0.0465 BTC would be huge amount if price of per coin reaches $5 million but still you would have spent 20 years with your wife and that thing matters as well.

It's not a bad deal I guess, it's better to spend that amount to get a wife than spending thousands of Bitcoin to buy some pizzas. By the way you can use Dex.fo to swap your BTC to USDT or any other stable coin for that purpose. 

[DEX.fo_off]

Quote from: Dareo
Another thing I noticed, although the announcement mentioned XMR - Crypto pair, it is not visible on my side yet.

Quote from: stompix
It's not available for me either on any of the domains, XMR is not listed at all.

Confirmed — there was a power outage on our infrastructure side that interrupted the XMR sync across nodes. It's being resolved now, and the pair should be fully live and synced by Tuesday. Apologies for the announcement going out slightly ahead of the actual rollout finishing.

Quote from: hosemary
I just noticed that it's still mandatory to provide a refund address when the sending coin is set to Litecoin. Is this a bug?

Quote from: joniboini
I can confirm this issue. Tried to pick different pairs and only Litecoin has this issue.

Quote from: Hamza2424
when I exchanged LTC to BTC, I also had to give a refund address

Quote from: TokenTikas
For other tokens, the refund address is optional but in the case of (LTC) it is showing as (Mandatory).

Confirmed — this is a bug, not intentional. LTC should follow the same optional rule as every other pair. Thanks for flagging it clearly with repro steps, makes this much faster to track down and fix.

Quote from: Dareo
If you add a link to Bitcointalk's official ANN thread or a Verify Official Domains section to the homepage, then users will be able to verify the real domain very easily.

Quote from: stompix
You definitely need to add those links to the main site and maybe implement a verification for them. Either a page on them signed with your key... or something like Binance has.

Good point, and timely given we just added two more domains. A PGP-signed verification page listing all official domains is the right move — adding it to the near-term list. BitList already covers this well in the meantime (thanks TryNinja for confirming all domains are indexed there).

Quote from: LoyceV
This is my reference post for a Shitposter tag.

Appreciated — didn't need to say anything ourselves when the Letter of Guarantee point covers it better than we could.


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[Hamza2424]

Sometimes you'll have to spend money to get something and if it's about getting your life partner then I believe it's going to be a good deal. I know in 10 years or in 20 years time  0.0465 BTC would be huge amount if price of per coin reaches $5 million but still you would have spent 20 years with your wife and that thing matters as well.

It's not a bad deal I guess, it's better to spend that amount to get a wife than spending thousands of Bitcoin to buy some pizzas. By the way you can use Dex.fo to swap your BTC to USDT or any other stable coin for that purpose. 

Haha, that's a good suggestion, but bro, isn't it obvious anyway? Getting a wife is way better than buying pizza or anything else. He knows, bro, that he can use dex.fo. By the way, what they are doing with their recent post, maybe they are using some AI to create the topic and forgot to write the comments, instead only quoted parts of our comments.

We can discuss this on his thread so we won't go off topic here. What do you say?

[MarryWithBTC]

On average, the exchange takes 30–45 minutes, if no issues arise, I only save the exchange ID.
Although saving the letter of guarantee would be a useful habit.

I think it's important to save all letters because it takes only 30 seconds to download and verify with https://bitlist.co

If you forget anything can happen and in 30 minutes you wonder where is the money but the order is not loading and you do not have the money. I do not think this will be a big problem with DEX.fo but you should check everything before you send any money because even the address can be altered if you have a malware in your pc or phone

There are many reasons to save the LoG. One of which is ensuring you are sending coins to the right address by a means of verification. I have understood that if anything goes wrong, I'll be needing the LoG more than the Oder ID.

I have made the mistake, from henceforth i'll not fail to save the LoG.

We can discuss this on his thread so we won't go off topic here. What do you say?

Nice, if you want to discuss there, hit me up so that I can unlock the thread.

[logfiles]

There are many reasons to save the LoG. One of which is ensuring you are sending coins to the right address by a means of verification. I have understood that if anything goes wrong, I'll be needing the LoG more than the Oder ID.

The other and the biggest reason is that the Letter of Guarantee acts as proof that you actually sent your coins to an address that is owned by the service and this is verifiable. Sometimes we do have phishing websites that look exactly similar to the original genuine service, and users to fall victim to those scams without noticing, and they will accuse the genuine service of stealing their funds. A letter of guarantee in this case helps settle the dispute.

[MarryWithBTC]

There are many reasons to save the LoG. One of which is ensuring you are sending coins to the right address by a means of verification. I have understood that if anything goes wrong, I'll be needing the LoG more than the Oder ID.

The other and the biggest reason is that the Letter of Guarantee acts as proof that you actually sent your coins to an address that is owned by the service and this is verifiable. Sometimes we do have phishing websites that look exactly similar to the original genuine service, and users to fall victim to those scams without noticing, and they will accuse the genuine service of stealing their funds. A letter of guarantee in this case helps settle the dispute.

For the later reason of phishing website, I know I am most likely not going to be a victim of such because every time i used dex, i have visited it through my signature link. For other services in the forum, i used them through their announcement thread link.

The reason of LoG as per phishing scam is so important and useful, especially for non forum users because they are the ones most likely to fall for phishing scam.

[DEX.fo_off]

Sometimes we do have phishing websites that look exactly similar to the original genuine service, and users to fall victim to those scams without noticing, and they will accuse the genuine service of stealing their funds. A letter of guarantee in this case helps settle the dispute.

The reason of LoG as per phishing scam is so important and useful, especially for non forum users because they are the ones most likely to fall for phishing scam.

Good thread, and this is exactly the risk we've been thinking about since adding the mirror domains — more entry points means more surface for phishing clones. The domain verification page we mentioned earlier is meant to address precisely this, and the LoG point stands regardless of which domain someone used, since it's tied to the actual deposit address, not the site they visited.

[sabotag3x]

^{[any ideas regarding raffle are welcome]}.

I remember @joker_josue made the TalkImg Awards years ago.. I'm revisiting the thread now and it looks like there were few participants.. but you could talk to him about organizing something related to photography/art.. he's very creative.. @joker_josue any ideias?

[stompix]

The other and the biggest reason is that the Letter of Guarantee acts as proof that you actually sent your coins to an address that is owned by the service and this is verifiable. Sometimes we do have phishing websites that look exactly similar to the original genuine service, and users to fall victim to those scams without noticing, and they will accuse the genuine service of stealing their funds. A letter of guarantee in this case helps settle the dispute.

It's not just phishing websites.
There is also clipboard hijacker malware that would replace the address you copy-pasted, and you end up sending funds to the hacker.

The LoC works both ways, protecting both user and service,  that's why I can't repeat it it isn't enough to always download it even if you have done 100 exchanges with no issue before, it takes 2 seconds and 2kb of space!

[SamReomo]

It's not just phishing websites.
There is also clipboard hijacker malware that would replace the address you copy-pasted, and you end up sending funds to the hacker.

The LoC works both ways, protecting both user and service,  that's why it isn't enough to always download it even if you have done 100 exchanges with no issue before, it takes 2 seconds and 2kb of space!

Very true, hackers these days have those clipboard hijacker malware. Most crypto users download and install software/applications from unknown sources that's why they get affected by such malware and such malware replaces receiving wallet address to hacker's wallet address and the users whose system is affected by this malware send coins to wrong wallets despite doing everything correctly.

It's also true that Letter of guarantee not only saves a user but also saves a service because if a user's system gets infected by such malware and the user sends coins to wrong address then in such case the exchange won't be responsible for the loss.

When using any exchanges or other services that give letter of guarantee one should always download it and keep it for safety and for protection of their funds. Sometimes few services shut down out of no where and such services have escrow funds to websites and some reputable members of the forums, in such cases a user who get affected by such service can request the escrow service or the member who acts as escrow of the funds for a refund and there's high chance that the affected users gets their funds back if they take action on time. For those users once again letter of guarantee is the only proof that they sent the funds but didn't receive the funds in return.

[MarryWithBTC]

Good thread, and this is exactly the risk we've been thinking about since adding the mirror domains — more entry points means more surface for phishing clones. The domain verification page we mentioned earlier is meant to address precisely this, and the LoG point stands regardless of which domain someone used, since it's tied to the actual deposit address, not the site they visited.

Your team has done well.

But if I were to make decisions, I'll just acquire those related domains and not use them at all. Acquiring them is to make them unavailable for scammers/cloners and not for usage. That will give the DEX.of all the authority it deserves. But what you did is also great, was talking from event handling and maintenance angle even if it's a mirror.

I have changed clothes, but I'm still committed to activity in this thread, I love how it goes here.

[Hamza2424]

Nice, if you want to discuss there, hit me up so that I can unlock the thread.

Hmm, if the thread is locked, then how can we discuss? I did not check if it was locked or not up until you said this. Why would you lock it, as it can be really fun where everyone could share their opinions and maybe they will also share their stories?

As if I remember correctly, there was a Bangladeshi member here who also got married by earning Bitcoins from this forum.

I might be wrong about his nationality, but he was, and one bought a house, and many people did a lot of things that changed their lives.

You are definitely one of those who are not afraid to share such things openly, but in many countries, people keep their financial life so private that they won't even discuss them in forums where their identity is safe if they are careful with privacy.

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[SamReomo]

As if I remember correctly, there was a Bangladeshi member here who also got married by earning Bitcoins from this forum.

Since Bangladesh is a developing country and it's very possible for someone from that country to marry with the earnings from this forum but those who are from developed countries may not be able to arrange money for their weddings form the forum earnings alone.

Since a moderate level wedding in Bangladesh might cost $2k to $3k, it's possible to earn that much by enrolling in signature campaigns for few months. However, if the cost of marriage is over $10k or above then it will be hard to perform marriage only by earning income via this forum.

Surely, those who're good at trading and investing can still do well even by earning $50 to $100 a week by enrolling in signature campaigns but if someone who earns from signature campaigns alone and has no physical job then it'll be hard to save anything from the earnings.

One could also join swap raffles and free raffles often sponsored by Dex.fo and such services to earn some extra income. But, I believe a physical job is needed along with the earnings from signature campaigns of this forum to arrange a good wedding or to increase ones investment portfolio in long run.