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[kikabet]

Oh no.. when i saw you writing and texting earlier it gave the impression that there might be a intelligent person and a proper english speaking person in the company.. but
now i start to think you are the guy from the chat which i believe is owner Youssef himself.. and that you are using an AI to clean your answer.. I do the same so no problem. I wont accept that you start to lie.

I run Limbo with 2000x multipler maybe 200 times with a 1$ stake..  i have maybe during the period wagered max 20-25k on that shit.. so dont start to lie. You can publish the stats if you even have them.  80% of those "spamming bets" as you call it was made BEFORE YOU PROMO EVEN STARTED. Because i like to play the game. Im also huge down on limbo on your anyway.. so dont start to lie now.. 100% if you post stats that says i did not wager 100k on slots.. then you are manipulating the stats.

Even on the last day of your poor poor leaderboard weekly tournament i decided to try and go for a second place i think and i wagered almost 50-60k oly on slots that day..

Listen dude.. i would never try to wager 100k on 1$ limbo spins with 2000x..  That would maybe have made lose 100k..  You ignore the fact that slots was wagered for over 100k totally. So stop the BS

I dont say he/you changed the rules mid-promo... YOU CHANGED THE RULES 3 TIMES DURING THE CHAT. You even offered me the 5k, and suddenly changed your mind again.

Listen.. if 5k is enough to ruin your reputation then go ahead. You are a scammer.. and people start to see it now..  Your fake odds during the world cup Messi to score odds 8.. 5k max stake.. haha..  You are just lucky he didnt cause they would have been voided and then this thread would have been on FIRE.

You are a liar and are not trustworthy at all. I gave you so many chances but you keep playing me with all your crazy lies..  like you think im stupid? THERE IS ONLY 1 GUY IN THIS CASINO and i promise all of you.. This site dont exist in 2 years. Maybe 3 months is enough..  Just read how the guy text to people in the chat and lies EVERY DAY.. i posted screenshots in the other thread.. totally strange messages.  " WE ARE 11 VIP HOSTS "  - YOU STAY WITH ME BECAUSE I AM THE BEST..

Every question where i am looking for facts are being replied to with nonsense messages.. I did not get a weekly bonus.. oh okay he add 50$.. and lets the real issue slide..

So crazy.. If they just paid the 5k at least, they would somehow have won my trust a bit.. but now i just this site is going straight down to where they belong.

On the "just pay the $5k and I'd trust you a bit" line ; that's a negotiation, not a grievance.
If the wager genuinely hit $100k through legitimate play, it gets paid, full stop, no negotiating needed.
If it didn't, because Originals were excluded and that's where the majority of the volume came from ; then "pay me anyway and I'll ease up on the accusations" isn't a claim, it's leverage.
We don't set policy based on who's loudest in a thread.

And sure , since we're apparently doing headcounts now: yes, one person here is the dev, the designer, runs social media and marketing, manages the ad campaigns, handles the affiliate program, and yes ; is also the one replying to you in this thread.
Congratulations, you've cracked the case  . Feel free to add "does everything and still finds time to reply to Bitcointalk threads" to your list of grievances.

Here's the part that doesn't change no matter how many people run this casino:
whether it's 1 person or 100, that doesn't create a loophole to cheat the system and then play victim when it's caught.
We've dealt with plenty of players trying to take advantage of promos, leaderboard rules, and wager mechanics
and every time it's caught, it's the same script: "this site is run by one guy," "this is a scam," "watch it die in 3 months."
Meanwhile the players who play straight get paid, on time, every time
as shown by every single case in this thread, including yours, with real numbers and real transaction hashes.

Play fair, get paid. Try to farm the rules, expect the T&Cs to apply.
That part isn't changing regardless of the org chart.

[fritvalg]

You are nothing else than a scammer dude.  Im sure you are the guy on chat and telegram as well.. ignore facts and keep saying something that is far from reality. 100k was wagered on slots.. 80% of limbo play was before youre promotion. I like the same so i didnt completely stop.. i maybe wagered 10-20k on limbo while the promo was on.. but what does even matter when i did play slots for 100k.

You just talk a lot of shit, because its takes hours to the stats from cheap ass system like when i asked for stats in live chat. Took minimum an hour to pull.. and no option for the players to see it themself.. Over 150k was wagered in total and i can tell you i didnt do 50000 limbo spins..

Instead of killing your reputation you could reach out and acknowledge you made a mistake here... but you dont.. and you even lie.. and thats how you can filter those who have real intentions of becomming a succes.

Listen dude.. you say in the chat you have 11 vip hosts.. You have more vip hosts than players.. you keep ignoring that its obviously a lie.  Why even lie about that?

Why claim all your orginals have 100% rtp.. when they dont?


You ignore it.. and you do that because you maybe are the guy who got the Job as Dev which was annonced on LinkedIn and Youssef your boss is the guy running the chat and telegram unless you are the same.. but i start to think you are the remote guy.. and you have no idea why your boss said those things but you ignore because its awkward for you.

Doesnt matter.. just look what others do when fuck up.. they lay down and admit they screw up and try to regain the trust. Keep going in the same path and you can soon go on LinkedIn again.

Oh no.. when i saw you writing and texting earlier it gave the impression that there might be a intelligent person and a proper english speaking person in the company.. but
now i start to think you are the guy from the chat which i believe is owner Youssef himself.. and that you are using an AI to clean your answer.. I do the same so no problem. I wont accept that you start to lie.

I run Limbo with 2000x multipler maybe 200 times with a 1$ stake..  i have maybe during the period wagered max 20-25k on that shit.. so dont start to lie. You can publish the stats if you even have them.  80% of those "spamming bets" as you call it was made BEFORE YOU PROMO EVEN STARTED. Because i like to play the game. Im also huge down on limbo on your anyway.. so dont start to lie now.. 100% if you post stats that says i did not wager 100k on slots.. then you are manipulating the stats.

Even on the last day of your poor poor leaderboard weekly tournament i decided to try and go for a second place i think and i wagered almost 50-60k oly on slots that day..

Listen dude.. i would never try to wager 100k on 1$ limbo spins with 2000x..  That would maybe have made lose 100k..  You ignore the fact that slots was wagered for over 100k totally. So stop the BS

I dont say he/you changed the rules mid-promo... YOU CHANGED THE RULES 3 TIMES DURING THE CHAT. You even offered me the 5k, and suddenly changed your mind again.

Listen.. if 5k is enough to ruin your reputation then go ahead. You are a scammer.. and people start to see it now..  Your fake odds during the world cup Messi to score odds 8.. 5k max stake.. haha..  You are just lucky he didnt cause they would have been voided and then this thread would have been on FIRE.

You are a liar and are not trustworthy at all. I gave you so many chances but you keep playing me with all your crazy lies..  like you think im stupid? THERE IS ONLY 1 GUY IN THIS CASINO and i promise all of you.. This site dont exist in 2 years. Maybe 3 months is enough..  Just read how the guy text to people in the chat and lies EVERY DAY.. i posted screenshots in the other thread.. totally strange messages.  " WE ARE 11 VIP HOSTS "  - YOU STAY WITH ME BECAUSE I AM THE BEST..

Every question where i am looking for facts are being replied to with nonsense messages.. I did not get a weekly bonus.. oh okay he add 50$.. and lets the real issue slide..

So crazy.. If they just paid the 5k at least, they would somehow have won my trust a bit.. but now i just this site is going straight down to where they belong.

On the "just pay the $5k and I'd trust you a bit" line ; that's a negotiation, not a grievance.
If the wager genuinely hit $100k through legitimate play, it gets paid, full stop, no negotiating needed.
If it didn't, because Originals were excluded and that's where the majority of the volume came from ; then "pay me anyway and I'll ease up on the accusations" isn't a claim, it's leverage.
We don't set policy based on who's loudest in a thread.

And sure , since we're apparently doing headcounts now: yes, one person here is the dev, the designer, runs social media and marketing, manages the ad campaigns, handles the affiliate program, and yes ; is also the one replying to you in this thread.
Congratulations, you've cracked the case  . Feel free to add "does everything and still finds time to reply to Bitcointalk threads" to your list of grievances.

Here's the part that doesn't change no matter how many people run this casino:
whether it's 1 person or 100, that doesn't create a loophole to cheat the system and then play victim when it's caught.
We've dealt with plenty of players trying to take advantage of promos, leaderboard rules, and wager mechanics
and every time it's caught, it's the same script: "this site is run by one guy," "this is a scam," "watch it die in 3 months."
Meanwhile the players who play straight get paid, on time, every time
as shown by every single case in this thread, including yours, with real numbers and real transaction hashes.

Play fair, get paid. Try to farm the rules, expect the T&Cs to apply.
That part isn't changing regardless of the org chart.

[GODENKOR]

2000x is not farming bro.. if we put that a side there was still in total over 100k wagered just in slots..  and if we again put that to the side... If you did not mention originals in the terms.. then you need to pay! You can just say ah sorry.. of course no originals... you can just start over..

This is a mistake that should cost you 5k, and the fact you try to let it slide.. tells me that you are not a fair, transaparent or trustworthy casino. Cause you back off and make rules to avoid paying when it should be claimable..

but but but.. there is still over 100k in slots.. Slots was 20-25$ stakes.. and originals was only like 1$ per spin.. its still a very small percent.


I can't give you credit for paying out withdrawals to a player who is losing.. that should be the least you could do.  You also never paid out rakeback on originals (your crash is 94 rtp).

It looks different when i read how you treat profit players.. even players who just want 12$... its easy to see why the hell its so hard to pay those 5k, as i was promised in the chat before the suddenly changed his mind, and not had to wager from THIS WAGER AMOUNT AND UP TO 100K, and then suddenly he changed his mind again and decided that now its  NEW 100k wager needed.

I have all the screenshots dude. The more i think of how you played me with stupid messages like you are only 40% from.. i can see it from here.. he just made up a number. when i know that day alone i almost  wagered like 50k on slots and would already have been passed the 100k.  The funny thing is that the vip manager which i am sure is the same guy.. 2 days earlier said 35%.. so with 50k wager on slots in between and only 5% up.. this actually deserves a scam accusation the more i think of it.. I even told the guy that if that is 5k worth, then fine.. he didnt even want answer and i decided to close the account..  You guys are 100% scammers cause if you had a good intentions you just paid out and stopped all the BS..  

Let's go through this point by point, since you've raised specifics.

On the wager total:
You didn't wager $100k+ in slots. The majority of your bets were on Limbo, spammed specifically to try to reach the $100k requirement , which is exactly the pattern the Originals exclusion exists to prevent. "2000x is not farming" isn't really the question; volume-spamming a single low-house-edge game at trivial stakes to hit a wager target is the definition of what that rule is written against, regardless of the multiplier chosen on any individual bet.

On the 35%/40% figures: You have the sequence backwards. You were told 35% first, and 40% two days later, an increase, reflecting wager progress, not a number moving against you.
That's consistent with continued play in between, not a shifting goalpost.

On the "new 100k wager, suddenly changed": This wasn't a rule changed on you mid-promo. This was a new promotion built for new VIP transfers. You were already an existing VIP and asked to be let into it anyway ; we agreed as a courtesy.
The Originals exclusion was stated on that promo's own page from the start.
Not reading the terms of a promo you asked to join isn't the same as us "backing off" on a rule after the fact.

On rakeback not being paid on some Originals: Correct, and deliberate ; certain Originals games (Limbo, Crash-style games, Dice) are excluded from rakeback for the same reason they're excluded from this promo's wager count: to prevent exactly the auto-betting/spam pattern being described here.
This is disclosed, standard, and applied to every player, not something invented for your case.

You're welcome to disagree with where these lines are drawn. But the actual sequence here is: you asked to join a promo you weren't originally eligible for, didn't read its terms, spammed the one product explicitly excluded from it, got accurate (increasing) progress updates from your VIP manager, and are now calling that a scam because the $5k didn't materialize from a method the rules never counted in the first place.

Restore access to my account so I can take screenshots of the bets, don't ignore me

[LGD2Business]

Absolute cinema! Haha, you insult the website representatives and call them scam yet they still paid you (extra), even though they don't have to.
I've never heard of anyone whose account was frozen or who couldn't withdraw their money even though they followed the rules. If something like that ever happened, I'd be the first to stand up for them. However Kikabet is operating quite smoothly.

I hope they keep it up for a long time. It's not good for a few crypto casinos to have a monopoly on the market, having different sites benefits everyone.
Based on their marketing efforts, Kikabet is here to stay.

[MuffinMaster]

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I also feel like it's some kind of strange carousel spinning in circles. It's all being repeated over and over again. If there's any evidence, open a scam accusation and handle it properly, rather than expressing your own speculation.

Restore access to my account so I can take screenshots of the bets, don't ignore me

Are you talking about ignoring? Let's see.. You just wanted to get your money back and were asked for your wallet address:

How do I get my money back? Unfortunately for you, I made similar bets at three casinos, and guess where I didn't get paid? That's right - it's you! Now I can confidently say that this is just an excuse from the provider, because you're the one who didn't pay out. What follows is a scammer casino, haha.

Good, let's settle this right now, publicly, so there's no ambiguity left.

You claimed $12 wasn't paid out. We already offered above to return that deposit in full. Post your wallet address here and we'll send it now, we'll post the transaction hash right after so everyone in this thread can verify it on-chain themselves.
That's about as transparent as it gets.

To be clear on what this resolves:
it settles the $12 deposit dispute. It does not change the fact that the account was flagged by Betby's risk team for the pattern already described in this thread , that determination stands.
But we're not going to let $12 be the reason this drags on, so let's close it.

However, for some reason, you ignored this statement and changed your complaint to one that you demanded the account be unblocked. So you don't want your money anymore?

[fritvalg]

Listen guy.. You are paid by Kikabet..  Just keep posting your nonsense spamming messages across the forum.. but dont start defending them.. You risk others are being scammed by them. Stay objective or stay away

skip

I also feel like it's some kind of strange carousel spinning in circles. It's all being repeated over and over again. If there's any evidence, open a scam accusation and handle it properly, rather than expressing your own speculation.

Restore access to my account so I can take screenshots of the bets, don't ignore me

Are you talking about ignoring? Let's see.. You just wanted to get your money back and were asked for your wallet address:

How do I get my money back? Unfortunately for you, I made similar bets at three casinos, and guess where I didn't get paid? That's right - it's you! Now I can confidently say that this is just an excuse from the provider, because you're the one who didn't pay out. What follows is a scammer casino, haha.

Good, let's settle this right now, publicly, so there's no ambiguity left.

You claimed $12 wasn't paid out. We already offered above to return that deposit in full. Post your wallet address here and we'll send it now, we'll post the transaction hash right after so everyone in this thread can verify it on-chain themselves.
That's about as transparent as it gets.

To be clear on what this resolves:
it settles the $12 deposit dispute. It does not change the fact that the account was flagged by Betby's risk team for the pattern already described in this thread , that determination stands.
But we're not going to let $12 be the reason this drags on, so let's close it.

However, for some reason, you ignored this statement and changed your complaint to one that you demanded the account be unblocked. So you don't want your money anymore?

[fritvalg]

Lets frame this and look in a year or two if you are proud of this.

Absolute cinema! Haha, you insult the website representatives and call them scam yet they still paid you (extra), even though they don't have to.
I've never heard of anyone whose account was frozen or who couldn't withdraw their money even though they followed the rules. If something like that ever happened, I'd be the first to stand up for them. However Kikabet is operating quite smoothly.

I hope they keep it up for a long time. It's not good for a few crypto casinos to have a monopoly on the market, having different sites benefits everyone.
Based on their marketing efforts, Kikabet is here to stay.

[MuffinMaster]

Listen guy.. You are paid by Kikabet..  Just keep posting your nonsense spamming messages across the forum.. but dont start defending them.. You risk others are being scammed by them. Stay objective or stay away

I'm writing to you to open a scam accusation. Do you consider this biased? I've just read your posts over and over again, and you keep saying the same thing. Support keeps giving you the same answers, and you're stuck. Move forward and go to third-party mediators, or open a formal case with proper proofs so the community can evaluate it.

[fritvalg]

Dude.. You are getting paid from a company who offers 50% rakeback, and a daily resetting cashback of 25%.
You can win a million today, and lose small money tomorrow and still get 25% cashback.

This is not possible.. There is not such big margins in this business. This is not possible. You will find out soon and hopefully become more critical before you jump on the first signature campaign you see.

Listen guy.. You are paid by Kikabet..  Just keep posting your nonsense spamming messages across the forum.. but dont start defending them.. You risk others are being scammed by them. Stay objective or stay away

I'm writing to you to open a scam accusation. Do you consider this biased? I've just read your posts over and over again, and you keep saying the same thing. Support keeps giving you the same answers, and you're stuck. Move forward and go to third-party mediators, or open a formal case with proper proofs so the community can evaluate it.

[MuffinMaster]

Dude.. You are getting paid from a company who offers 50% rakeback, and a daily resetting cashback of 25%.
You can win a million today, and lose small money tomorrow and still get 25% cashback.

This is not possible.. There is not such big margins in this business. This is not possible. You will find out soon and hopefully become more critical before you jump on the first signature campaign you see.

Well, good conditions for users are a big plus for the casino. So for me, from a marketing perspective, it's a great move. I agree that the terms are amazing and I don't think this promotion will last very long.

Also about winning a million and losing small next day - even with a daily reset, most casinos have rules that if your total account is in huge profit or you made big withdrawals, they will block your cashback anyway. They always protect themselves. (I haven't had the opportunity to test this at Kikabet, but I assume it works similarly here.)

To be honest, I don't trust any new casino anyway. Trust is built over a long time, just like in real life. To tell the truth, I don't trust you either, just like I don't trust any random people on the internet.

[GODENKOR]

skip

I also feel like it's some kind of strange carousel spinning in circles. It's all being repeated over and over again. If there's any evidence, open a scam accusation and handle it properly, rather than expressing your own speculation.

Restore access to my account so I can take screenshots of the bets, don't ignore me

Are you talking about ignoring? Let's see.. You just wanted to get your money back and were asked for your wallet address:

How do I get my money back? Unfortunately for you, I made similar bets at three casinos, and guess where I didn't get paid? That's right - it's you! Now I can confidently say that this is just an excuse from the provider, because you're the one who didn't pay out. What follows is a scammer casino, haha.

Good, let's settle this right now, publicly, so there's no ambiguity left.

You claimed $12 wasn't paid out. We already offered above to return that deposit in full. Post your wallet address here and we'll send it now, we'll post the transaction hash right after so everyone in this thread can verify it on-chain themselves.
That's about as transparent as it gets.

To be clear on what this resolves:
it settles the $12 deposit dispute. It does not change the fact that the account was flagged by Betby's risk team for the pattern already described in this thread , that determination stands.
But we're not going to let $12 be the reason this drags on, so let's close it.

However, for some reason, you ignored this statement and changed your complaint to one that you demanded the account be unblocked. So you don't want your money anymore?

Who are you? I'm talking to the op, I need to show them that they're scammers and that they themselves made up this story about the provider. This casino needs to be reported so people can see that they're scammers. I have proof that Betby didn't notify the casino about my bets, and Kikabet made this up themselves and doesn't want to pay out winnings.