Red trust for nuking a doxx on another forum

[dragonvslinux]

Is this an appropriate use of red trust?



Red trust link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5585350.msg66821527#msg66821527
Neutral trust link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5585350.msg66821644#msg66821644

For reference sake the doxx was indeed nuked by me, there was also this follow up topic regarding it: https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?topic=342763.0 (created by reputable member philipma1957 who would be able to confirm it's existence)

Some other members from here who posted in it can also confirm it existed, if there is any doubt. Hate to tag DT member @jokers10 but he can also confirm it existed as another reviewing mod there, should that be necessary.

Pinging current DT members who are sponsoring this tag:
@HostFat, @babo, @Cyrus, @ibminer, @jeremypwr, @stompix, @JayJuanGee, @examplens, @LFC_Bitcoin, @LoyceV, @TryNinja, @Lafu, @icopress, @Lakai01, @YOSHIE, @bullrun2024bro, @Charles-Tim.

Are you all OK with retaliatory tagging against moderators of another forum who nuke doxxing of a member of this forum ? If so, I must be in the wrong place.

Regards,
-dragon

[JustBeKause]

Because he didn't doxx? I read Vod's thread on there. Everything in that thread was already public info. He didn't release anything new. You just needed an excuse to get rid of it because you're tired of Vod vs Og (everyone is), and couldn't stand for it bleeding onto altcoinstalks. At least be honest with yourself. I thought you said you didn't give a fuck about Vod feedback?

I'll see if I can convince him to remove those tags on you dragon. He made them out of stress and anger (I THINK) thanks to Bitcoingirl.club making her thread, Ognasty meriting/bumping tecshare old threads, and pedophile accusations happening (STILL).

Maybe you can put his mind at ease by updating your vod dt strength topic?

[LoyceV]

Pinging current DT members who are sponsoring this tag:

I'm not "sponsoring" this tag, and I like to stay out of any drama coming from that third-party forum.

[bullrun2024bro]

Same here. Not getting involved in 3rd party drama.

[dragonvslinux]

In case there is any confusion here, the trust feedback is on this forum, not on any third party forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1170966

Pinging current DT members who are sponsoring this tag:

I'm not "sponsoring" this tag, and I like to stay out of any drama coming from that third-party forum.

As you yourself wrote, when you include members into your trust list, you are doing so because of the following (emphasis included):

You should add users who left accurate feedback and have good Trust lists to your Trust list, and you should exclude users who leave inaccurate feedback.
This means your Trust list should be based on how you value the users' judgement on others, and it should not be based on whether or not you Trust those users (with money) or traded with them.

The primary question was: "Is this an appropriate use of red trust?" specifically directed towards those who are sponsoring the member providing it. I think that's a pretty reasonable question isn't it? The semantics would agree you are not sponsoring the tag directly, the support is indirect at best, but each DT1 inclusion holds 6-9% of the weight towards it's existence here at present (depending on how you'd like to calculate it). If you agree with the tag, that's fine, thanks for your feedback. If you don't, then you know what to do. I don't understand the diminishment of responsibility as playing any role as that's not how trust lists work on this forum. You are also welcome to argue "the good outweighs the bad", but I shouldn't have to provide justification hand outs to experienced users who know full well how the trust system works here. In absence of an answer to the question, I'll wait for further feedback.

Maybe you can put his mind at ease by updating your vod dt strength topic?

Nobody should have to "earn" a tag to be removed based on completely unrelated activity, that's utterly ridiculous and the suggestion is an abuse of the system in itself. The feedback from each user is either considered accurate by DT1 members, or it is not.

[LoyceV]

As you yourself wrote, when you include members into your trust list, you are doing so because of the following (emphasis included):
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I've also said that it's impossible to agree with all feedback. The way you said "I sponsor the feedback" made it look as if I actively choose to support feedback left the day before.

The primary question was: "Is this an appropriate use of red trust?"

I can't really know that, if it came from a third party site. That's why I'm not getting involved. I can't verify what was or wasn't posted and censored.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

This is why I tend to avoid forum drama as much as possible. I usually try to chip in when reputation issues involve an actual scammer or something along those lines and not personal fights/beef/fueds. I recently thought your return was awesome but just a few weeks in, we are already having such threads/issues 

My suggestion for now is to talk this out with Vod when he is back from his break. I believe he can remove/change the feedback he left on your profile. Don't escalate it into another long-lasting feud. To be honest, I don't like it when high-ranking members keep hating on each other, but I guess we are all different personalities here.

[dragonvslinux]

I recently thought your return was awesome but just a few weeks in, we are already having such threads/issues 

Thanks for the kind words, I guess, but maybe you got the wrong perception of me? As early as being a regular Member I confronted (now former) DT members for their trust abuse (mosprognoz) or documented their downfalls (Lauda), temporarily paying the price as expected. Sure I didn't prong the moose personally so to speak, I was too inexperienced, also back then the "old guard" would more so unquestionably keep their own in check to be fair, even if it'd still take several weeks, and/or for someone to go completely off the rails while under scrutiny. With Lauda it took months, even years really. It's sad to see so many of the original DT1 members no longer active (or passed away). It is what it is I guess, a different era. I'll just try and stick to the same standards though, that's all I know. So it's a bit weird to think of me as someone who doesn't have a history confronting trust abuse to be honest, bizarre if anything. As if I used to bury my head in the sand or something. Pretty sure most of my contributions here were while being on -1, even -2, before DT members got rightfully dropped; or removed their feedback, or both. Not my first rodeo you could say.

My suggestion for now is to talk this out with Vod when he is back from his break. I believe he can remove/change the feedback he left on your profile. Don't escalate it into another long-lasting feud. To be honest, I don't like it when high-ranking members keep hating on each other, but I guess we are all different personalities here.

I don't have an interest in a long-lasting feud, nor do I have an interest in retaliating per the 'bigger person' theory, especially when it'd be retaliating to retaliation (that's just pointless and dumb). This only started because I opposed a flag that Vod created and added him to my distrust list because of it. The right thing to do would of just been to withdraw the flag like any other rationale DT member when it's opposed and lacks support, remove the justification for being added to my distrust list as it were. It was so close to just being a nothingburger  

Edit:   Dragon had a valid point about trust and it was my ignorance so I've removed the ~distrust I had.   I've always had positive feedback on his profile because he's able to maintain without escalation.

Maybe I just forgot to thank him, congratulate him, point out the flag hadn't been withdrawn, or something similar? Imagine that, if it was all just based on crossed wires, a basic misunderstanding, blown out of proportion.

This is otherwise merely the feedback stage for DT members (for lack of a better description), as advised by theymos, with the caevet that I'm not actually asking for any DT1 members to remove Vod from their trust list at the moment, or for others to exclude him, that wouldn't be quite fair imo when someone is having a mental health break (which I can fully respect), even if it's a bit awkward when still accountable after a tag and run. Hence it's addressed to those who support his feedback, not Vod himself, or any other DT members for that matter. I'm happy to give him a chance here to do the right thing, especially given the feedback I've received from him has now changed 3 times, so it could easily change again, I'm not that naive. Also to give any DT1 sponsors time to do their thing, should they feel the need to.