Signature Ban Appeal and Q&A : appeal your sigban here

[Xiestar]

Great tool nutildah

Looks like I'm safe for now.

Also please don't post screenshots of your scores here, thanks, unless you got a sigban and you really want to.

This proves that scoring is not accurate. Simple reading comprehension is zero yet you’re elite poster?  

Looks like my post count isn't enough to get a correct evaluation. Who knows maybe I will get sigban. I don't think the tool is incorrect. Maybe your main got a garbage score

Typical garbage reply. Making an assumption instead of admitting that he didn’t read before posting.

I’m not pajeet beggar like you that using merit source to beg for merit and proceed on applying to signature campaign when you have opportunity.  

Your account is a typical merit whore gang farmer style. Daddy Hhampuz will surely employ you soon same with the rest of the gang.  

PS: Your account smells an alt account miles away. I hope Nutildah truly ban you.

[Mahiyammahi]

Along with this information are messages triggered when certain thresholds are met, meant to inform the user of ways in which they might be able to improve their score. Please note that the generation and analysis of these scores is just one part of a larger process that involves manual review before issuing a sigban.

Non-sigbanned members are of course also welcome to look their scores up, and encouraged if they feel their posts might need some improvement.

How much you will be dependent on this tool? I know this tool will help you lot to determine a user's quality of posts. Are you checking all the stats manually if a user is hit a low score?

I think you should not totally rely on this tool , atleast before giving a sig ban mannual verify would be the ideal scenerio.
A suggestion for your tool , I would like to know the scoring system . Which formula you did used to determine a user's score. Also if you could make a extension version of it, we can use it and watch each user's rating and we may report their post's confidently after watching the score. Well atleast this would help.

[DYING_S0UL]

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I would like to know the scoring system . Which formula you did used to determine a user's score. Also if you could make a extension version of it, we can use it and watch each user's rating and we may report their post's confidently after watching the score.

Here is the answer to your question. Everything is already given here, just try to read between the lines, and you'll understand.  

If I gave away the exact formula it would make the system easier to game. I provided hints in the OP and throughout the thread, and they're also found in the score messages. Ideally, those looking to game the system will game themselves into being better, more thoughtful posters.

[ryzaadit]

Hi nutildah, I just translated your update for the tools Bitcointalk Post Health Score Lookup in our Local Board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5589497.msg66981504#msg66981504. Hopefully these tools will also motivate our members as well. Congrats on the tools, and looks forward to every update on the tools too.

[Yurkov]

The goal of all this is to encourage better conversation on the forum, not to punish anybody for their behavior. This is a novel implementation and I may get things wrong occasionally.

Additionally, I have no intention of trying to set new policies on the forum, but rather apply pre-existing ones in a different way.

You say the goal isn't to punish anyone, but you do it anyway. I understand the purpose of this effort and I think it's a good one. I mean improving post quality.

However, if the goal isn't punishment, there should be information about what needs to be improved, and only if there's no improvement, then punishment. Here, it seems like the opposite.

[logfiles]

You say the goal isn't to punish anyone, but you do it anyway. I understand the purpose of this effort and I think it's a good one. I mean improving post quality.

However, if the goal isn't punishment, there should be information about what needs to be improved, and only if there's no improvement, then punishment. Here, it seems like the opposite.

You wanted him to write to you an email informing you to improve on the posting quality?

Some of these things are self-explanatory. When for example your post is deleted, you are most like going to receive an email talking about the deletion and possible reasons why it was deleted. This is more than enough to give you a heads-up to improve on your post quality.

Now when you continue to the same thing, you are going to be handed over a more serious awakening. Isn't that fair?

[PrivacyG]

nutildah, is the main goal of this new website to create a score of all Bitcoin Talk active accounts?  If so, maybe it becomes a lot easier if you create an alternative account and ignore everyone you already scored to see which ones have not been scored yet?

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To everyone else.  I believe it is pretty disrespectful that some of you continue conversations on this Topic considering nutildah has respectfully asked us to stop or move to another separate Topic.

Please, this thread is already messy, and its not meant for general opinions. Its for sigban appeals and questions related to the process. I would have made it self-moderated if it were an option.

If you are not a sigban recipient and insist on sharing your opinion, there is already a thread for that.

Thanks for being considerate.

[nutildah]

if the goal isn't punishment, there should be information about what needs to be improved

Did you try putting your user ID in this tool yet? I made this specifically for people like you who want a better understanding of why their posts are being considered low quality in general.

Here's another honest word of advice. Before hitting the "Post" button, ask yourself:

- is this something I would read all the way through in my spare time?
- am I saying anything compelling, original or insightful?
- when I make these kinds of posts, does anyone seem to read them or care?

If the answer is "no" to 2 or more of these questions, then that's a good sign you probably need to improve your post before hitting the button.

And again, I'm in no way limiting you from expressing yourself however you want. This is just friendly advice.

nutildah, is the main goal of this new website to create a score of all Bitcoin Talk active accounts?  If so, maybe it becomes a lot easier if you create an alternative account and ignore everyone you already scored to see which ones have not been scored yet?

Its nice to have a good-size data set to work with for the purpose of drawing averages and identifying outliers. That is a more elegant approach to capturing the population of active users than what I've been doing. Aside from accounts that are just becoming full members or recently waking up, I pretty much got all of them. But maybe I will do something like that in the future.

[Yurkov]

You say the goal isn't to punish anyone, but you do it anyway. I understand the purpose of this effort and I think it's a good one. I mean improving post quality.

However, if the goal isn't punishment, there should be information about what needs to be improved, and only if there's no improvement, then punishment. Here, it seems like the opposite.

You wanted him to write to you an email informing you to improve on the posting quality?

Some of these things are self-explanatory. When for example your post is deleted, you are most like going to receive an email talking about the deletion and possible reasons why it was deleted. This is more than enough to give you a heads-up to improve on your post quality.

Now when you continue to the same thing, you are going to be handed over a more serious awakening. Isn't that fair?

You've pulled a real twist here.

My last delated post was: March 26, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
My all posts deleted by moderators: 16 (I checked, you also have 16 posts deleted by moderators  )

The point is to improve the quality of posts, right? We agree. My point is that for this to succeed, education is necessary. Education after punishment is a bit of a medieval approach. And no, it's not fair.

if the goal isn't punishment, there should be information about what needs to be improved

Did you try putting your user ID in this tool yet? I made this specifically for people like you who want a better understanding of why their posts are being considered low quality in general.

Here's another honest word of advice. Before hitting the "Post" button, ask yourself:

- is this something I would read all the way through in my spare time?
- am I saying anything compelling, original or insightful?
- when I make these kinds of posts, does anyone seem to read them or care?

If the answer is "no" to 2 or more of these questions, then that's a good sign you probably need to improve your post before hitting the button.

And again, I'm in no way limiting you from expressing yourself however you want. This is just friendly advice.

Yes, it's good that you created this metric. I'll spend an hour or two checking a dozen or so users, and I'll figure out which forum sections I need to post in to get more points. The content of my posts is good, so it's probably just about the number of sections, because I only posted in two.

As I said, I thought the forum was for discussing topics we wanted. As I can see, that's not entirely true. I'll start posting wherever you want. You play the music here boss!

I just need to find out where the Merit farms are, and I'll score a lot of points. You'll be proud of me!  

[nutildah]

As I said, I thought the forum was for discussing topics we wanted. As I can see, that's not entirely true.

How have I prevented you from discussing topics you want to discuss?

Yes, it's good that you created this metric. I'll spend an hour or two checking a dozen or so users, and I'll figure out which forum sections I need to post in to get more points.

You might be surprised to learn that sigban recipients post in these sections as well.

[Yurkov]

As I said, I thought the forum was for discussing topics we wanted. As I can see, that's not entirely true.

How have I prevented you from discussing topics you want to discuss?

Sure you can't forbid me, but you can give me a sigban for it 

Yes, it's good that you created this metric. I'll spend an hour or two checking a dozen or so users, and I'll figure out which forum sections I need to post in to get more points.

You might be surprised to learn that sigban recipients post in these sections as well.

I don't think I'll be surprised.

Anyway, I found this:

Code:

+-------------------------+----------------+
| Sub Forum               | Importance (%) |
+-------------------------+----------------+
| Development & Technical | 28%            |
| Bitcoin Discussion      | 22%            |
| Mining                  | 13%            |
| Marketplace             | 12%            |
| Altcoin                 | 8%             |
| Meta & Reputation       | 7%             |
| Local Boards            | 7%             |
| Gambling                | 3%             |
+-------------------------+----------------+

Are these the sections we need to write posts in proportion to earn points with you?

[nutildah]

Anyway, I found this:

Code:

+-------------------------+----------------+

Are these the sections we need to write posts in proportion to earn points with you?

No. That has nothing to do with what I'm doing. And what I'm doing doesn't work like that at all. Where did you find that?

edit: OK, I see where its from. No, that's not how it works. There are plenty (hundreds or even thousands) of posters in the Gambling Discussion board that do not need to do a single thing other than what they've already been doing for years. You, however, are not one of them.

[Ambatman]

Please report any bugs you might find. Thank you.

I believe this could be considered a bug



Two different users both bearing same score and percentage but different remark.
The first is bearing the same remark with those that were considered Elite.

How much you will be dependent on this tool? I know this tool will help you lot to determine a user's quality of posts. Are you checking all the stats manually if a user is hit a low score?

If you check out the site you would see this and I believe the scoring is kinda lenient.

Moderation decisions are always conducted manually, after thorough review

[nutildah]

Two different users both bearing same score and percentage but different remark.
The first is bearing the same remark with those that were considered Elite.

This is intentional and suggests one user score is higher within the top 25% range than the other.

I should clarify a couple things:

1. The system was not developed to measure how good a poster's posts are, but rather how not good they are. So long as you are in that middle 50% or higher, you are fine.* Unless you are using AI to write your posts for you, in which case all bets are off.

2. Scores are not continuously updated and won't be updated for at least another week or two. I will let everyone know here when they are, in case anybody is waiting.


* "most likely" fine; I don't want to offer definite certainty... just don't plagiarize or cheat while writing your posts.

[null00]

What are the things considered when signature bans are imposed on those whose signatures have been banned? What should I do to save my account from this signature ban? Where can I get hourly updates on who has been signature banned? Experts please help with accurate information.

[Cointxz]

What are the things considered when signature bans are imposed on those whose signatures have been banned? What should I do to save my account from this signature ban? Where can I get hourly updates on who has been signature banned? Experts please help with accurate information.

Read the OP. Guidelines already posted in there.

As for the reference on ban user, you can use these:
https://bitcointalk.org/modlog.php
https://loyce.club/bans/sigbanned.html

[joker_josue]

@nutildah
I noticed that you have previously indicated account farms.

Some of them appear to still have active sig, even though they have been inactive for several years.
Applying a sig ban to these users makes sense, especially since they may be taking advantage of the forum's position in search engines to promote certain content.

I found this case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=839646

[nutildah]

I found this case: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=839646

This user has been inactive since 2021 and the project they were/are advertising has been dead for a while. A lot of the time when users drop off the forum, they leave their signature and avatar as is.

I thought this farm all changing their signatures and avatars to Rainbet (even though they're not in a campaign) was extremely odd. There's a chance they did it just to prove they could do it, to potential clients. But their signature space should not be for rent either way.

To clarify for others who don't know what we're talking about:

Large-scale account farms are eligible for a 2-year ban if the evidence linking the accounts is overwhelming.

We're not talking about one person and their two or three alts but rather 10, 20, 30+ accounts which may be operated jointly or coordinated by a handful of people.

There will otherwise be no specific action taken on accounts just because they might have alts accounts. This has not played a factor in any sigban outside of the 32 accounts in the farm mentioned above.

[Volgastallion]

Hi nutildah and everyone in this thread.

I just realize im banned from signatures today, i dont know why, im not a spammer or a shitposter, my quality can improve yes, but most of my post could be write by a bad english since is not my mother tongue and i prefer to be organic and not use a traslator and even less an IA.

I think is part of my way of writing. So please if you can review my case. Thanks!

Anyways i support the central idea and the work you are doing, is good to see someone is trying to clean the forum from spammers and most important clean it of farming accounts.