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The decision for no airdrop was NOT made with the poll. The poll was removed within hours, the dev was ordered to remove it by drk whales and investors. If you doubt this ask him to put the poll up again and leave it there for a few days Smiley i think you'll see a poll would have a different outcome...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559932.0

The discussion thread inside ANN Darkcoin was massively negative about the airdrop. The poll was against it too. There is no indication that the result would be different as the percentages were fairly repetitive as the vote count was going up.

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However, perhaps it is unfair to expect investors that bough in way after the launch and after the minting was slashed to take a short term price cut. There is no fixing this issue now i guess. However the point is to make sure enough fuss is made about this that other devs don't repeat the same mistakes again.

Let's be honest if you didn't mine or hold drk right now you would not be trying to defend any of this.

If i had been one of the linux instaminers of course i wouldn't be here talking about it either if i still held a ton of drk.

I've both mined and own DRKs. However I joined late january, and I'm not the "instaminer" group of miners. That doesn't mean I hadn't the chance to buy shitloads of DRK for pennies (although I didn't and I am very regretful of it). Nor am I a DRK bagholder - the number of coins I have is small (small mining rig consisting of celeron cpu + 6850 + 5830).

The poll was announced in the drk thread so they all jumped on the poll and voted before anyone else really noticed there was one. If you really believe a poll left up for a week (to give people a fair chance to vote) on this board asking members if they want free dark coins would result in a no vote i'm afraid you need to take a reality check. Make the poll and post it up for a week. You will have your answer clearly then.

Do you want free money? errr let me think about that for a second. May as well vote yes i suppose.



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May 18, 2014, 04:31:10 PM
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Its the first fully anonymous coin. Use as you wish! I'll be using it for sure.
You keep saying this, but what about Bytecoin?

That's fully anonymous coin for sure while I doubt in Darkcoin.
Anyway, the darkcoin dev said he will copy I2P from Anoncoin and Ring Signature from Bytecoin, not only Coinjoin from gmaxwell with wrong implementation.
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The decision for no airdrop was NOT made with the poll. The poll was removed within hours, the dev was ordered to remove it by drk whales and investors. If you doubt this ask him to put the poll up again and leave it there for a few days Smiley i think you'll see a poll would have a different outcome...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559932.0

The discussion thread inside ANN Darkcoin was massively negative about the airdrop. The poll was against it too. There is no indication that the result would be different as the percentages were fairly repetitive as the vote count was going up.

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However, perhaps it is unfair to expect investors that bough in way after the launch and after the minting was slashed to take a short term price cut. There is no fixing this issue now i guess. However the point is to make sure enough fuss is made about this that other devs don't repeat the same mistakes again.

Let's be honest if you didn't mine or hold drk right now you would not be trying to defend any of this.

If i had been one of the linux instaminers of course i wouldn't be here talking about it either if i still held a ton of drk.

I've both mined and own DRKs. However I joined late january, and I'm not the "instaminer" group of miners. That doesn't mean I hadn't the chance to buy shitloads of DRK for pennies (although I didn't and I am very regretful of it). Nor am I a DRK bagholder - the number of coins I have is small (small mining rig consisting of celeron cpu + 6850 + 5830).

The poll was announced in the drk thread so they all jumped on the poll and voted before anyone else really noticed there was one. If you really believe a poll left up for a week (to give people a fair chance to vote) on this board asking members if they want free dark coins would result in a no vote i'm afraid you need to take a reality check. Make the poll and post it up for a week. You will have your answer clearly then.

Do you want free money? errr let me think about that for a second. May as well vote yes i suppose.



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May 21, 2014, 10:13:44 AM
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Same with Vertcoin, more than 110 000 coins instamined.
Here is more info on how they've done it:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576107.msg6397907#msg6397907

Thank you for you information.


Nice bullshit, someone mined it after launch, surprise....Check Litecoin first hours if you want to have another "instamine" report - or basically every other coin that did start with litecoin based difficulty algo.

There was no "bug" that gave people more coins...its simply how the difficulty works for almost every coin.

THE FACTS ABOUT DARK COIN

1. released without windows QT so that only dev and pals could mine it.

2. Instamined harder than any other coin out there  12.5% of the current minting was mined in the first day

3. Later they decided to cut the minting by 75% to turn their 12.5% instamine with no windows QT into 50% instamine in 24hours - nice hey


yes that is correct they mined 50% of all the coins available at this time by themselves in the first 24 hours whilst windows users could not mine.


That is the facts.... doesn't matter what else they say... nothing can change what they have done.

Once zero coin, or bytecoin with a decent wallet it released or another darkcoin clone is released.... dark coin will sink like a stone.



Every time they try to spam their coin just post this to remind them of the facts about their coin.

nice, scam of scams!

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May 21, 2014, 06:58:08 PM
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Even if i was being hypocritical or even if i was the devil it changes none of the facts in the OP.

There is no if. You were.

As for the facts of the op, they are sensationalist bullshit. OP doesn't even know what he reads, or if he does know what he reads, he intentionally misrepresents it.

I'm talking specifically about the "2 million+ coins to a specific address that I hold" red bolded part.

That was part of the airdrop plan. If the airdrop happened, it would be programmed to create new coins. These would be in a certain address that the dev would control for a period of time so that he could then distribute the coins to those who would receive them. It's logical. OP took that part and misrepresented it that the dev has 50% of the coins, apparently with malicious intent.

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1. it's okay to launch without a windows qt or pools, because some people don't mine at all or know about crypto. Best put that to vote on the main section.

No, I'm saying there is no such thing as "fair". You can define it any way you want, but there is no consensus. Most people mean fair = what's convenient for me.

A GPU coin can be "unfair" for CPU users. A coin that has no mac wallet can be "unfair" for mac users. A coin that has no windows wallet can be "unfair" for windows users. A coin that people don't know about it can be "unfair" (bitcoin) for those who lack awareness. Even electric cost per area makes coin profitable or unprofitable depending where one is mining them - and thus for some it's "fair" and for some it's "unfair" because they cannot participate in mining. It's all extremely relative.

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2. all fast pow mining coins that jump to POS after a couple of weeks are classed as instamine?

Yes they are. Because they are mined during a very narrow window of time, essentially giving the entire monetary base (not a small percentage of it) in a few days (which, compared to decades-long-lifetime of a coin, is just an instant).

Of course that has the benefit of zero inflation later on but someone who discovered the coin a week late can say "fuck this, I have to buy it from bagholders". Absolutely zero chance of mining himself. In this regard DRK is infinitely fairer than any such mining scheme. And it was far cheaper too to buy, not only after a few days, but for weeks and months.


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To me instamine is where the dev team or handful of miners get unfair advantage to mine over other miners at launch and pick up the easy coins in bulk. These new fast POW stage coins are not essentially instamine to me if they are announced and everyone has a fair chance to mine against each other. Where no person gets advantage.

Instamine is instamine, announcement or not, participation or not. It all has to do with the rate of issuance over a given time.

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Let's get serious too, even WC that shit coin version the first dev made had a diff retarget that actually worked to STOP instamining it retargeted very fast. DRK's diff stuck at super low with blocks on super high = steroid instamining powers right there + no competition from windows miners or pools.

Steroids?

DRK's instamine was SLOWER than any instamine of PoW/PoS hybrid. Do the math. 2 million coins in 48hrs. To get to 84mn coins (22mn limit was implemented in March) you'd need 84 days (assuming diff remained the same and 500-coin blocks were issued). Even if I count it with 2mn per day, you'd still need 42 days to get to the 84mn limit. And even if I adjust it to today's current max of 22mn coins, it'd take 22 and 11 days respectively (for a production of 1mn coins per day and 2mn coins per day).

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Nothing you have said changes the facts in the OP.

Read above about the blatant sensationalism bs of the OP.

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Just admit it had a instamined unfair start and that's it. I mean you guys justifying it keep bumping this thread more those do that refute your claims that the instamine was fair or had justification.

This has been covered extensively. The dev himself has said I screwed up with the launch: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/

...If he didn't believe there was a problem why would he ever propose to fix it through the airdrop (which was voted down)? What's more to admit?


Again let's recap.

we differ on what efforts should be made by the dev to ensure fairness at launch of POW.

99% of devs release their coins with a working windows qt and pools. This is seen as fair by the majority of the board. Ask the board about defining fair launch. Put it to the test, open a thread and ask should coins be released with a windows qt and pools or not. I think the answer you get will be clear. Yes life isn't fair but that's just not a good answer. Like you said this is part of why the dev himself offered to do the air drop since he knows it was not the correct thing to do... push ahead with no windows qt and no pools.  I told him this before he launched but he didn't listen. If he just wanted to launch on time or if he really did do it to grab up a ton of coins with no competition who can say.

We differ on the instamine...

Although i think some of the pow phases are getting way too short, there is no chance you will convince me they are instamine above and beyond dark. Like i say when WC first hit exchanges and you bought some you were buying from 100's of people, all which were able to mine at the start and had the same opportunity to mine either via pool or solo for a few mins. When drk first hit exchanges you were buying from only a handful of people that instamined all of the easy coins. This to me displays that the instamine (concentrated coin uptake by a few persons including the dev whom had unfair advantage to mine over others that rely on windows wallets and pools) was a serious issue. This again is part of the reason the dev offered to do the air drop. There can be no doubt that 50% ish of all current minting was taken by just a few people.


The fact the dev offered to do the airdrop, and i believe he was serious about it was enough to tell me he was not out just for quick profits but wanted his coin and hard work to go on to something bigger and actually return larger profits long term. The community forced him to go back on that.


But just accept it was a very bad start, followed by more shady slashing of the minting and move on. I guess he's put a lot of work in and perhaps deserves his 10% or whatever he holds. The linux instaminers that grabbed a huge bunch of the loot though got lucky here. I would hate to see other devs making the same mistakes in future.











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May 21, 2014, 07:06:26 PM
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Its the first fully anonymous coin. Use as you wish! I'll be using it for sure.

Darkcoin is a premined jokecoin without full anonimity. As of today Monero is the only contender. Zerocoin = have fun trusting a 3rd party to destroy a file that can give them access to infinite coins basically
Darkcoin, premined and ring signatures are a pipe dream in a BTC fork.
Bytecoin? thats the good technology, but absolute scam with a 80% premine and shitty optimization. Monero team is optimizing everything and had a 100% fair launch without any of this dodgy shit that ruins coins in the long run.

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May 21, 2014, 07:08:29 PM
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Same with Vertcoin, more than 110 000 coins instamined.
Here is more info on how they've done it:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576107.msg6397907#msg6397907

Thank you for you information.


Nice bullshit, someone mined it after launch, surprise....Check Litecoin first hours if you want to have another "instamine" report - or basically every other coin that did start with litecoin based difficulty algo.

There was no "bug" that gave people more coins...its simply how the difficulty works for almost every coin.

THE FACTS ABOUT DARK COIN

1. released without windows QT so that only dev and pals could mine it.

2. Instamined harder than any other coin out there  12.5% of the current minting was mined in the first day

3. Later they decided to cut the minting by 75% to turn their 12.5% instamine with no windows QT into 50% instamine in 24hours - nice hey


yes that is correct they mined 50% of all the coins available at this time by themselves in the first 24 hours whilst windows users could not mine.


That is the facts.... doesn't matter what else they say... nothing can change what they have done.

Once zero coin, or bytecoin with a decent wallet it released or another darkcoin clone is released.... dark coin will sink like a stone.



Every time they try to spam their coin just post this to remind them of the facts about their coin.

nice, scam of scams!

i didn't know it was released without the qt, darkcoin is made from whales, and they are now sucking noobs inside their spiral pump on mintpal
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Its the first fully anonymous coin. Use as you wish! I'll be using it for sure.
You keep saying this, but what about Bytecoin?

That's fully anonymous coin for sure while I doubt in Darkcoin.
Anyway, the darkcoin dev said he will copy I2P from Anoncoin and Ring Signature from Bytecoin, not only Coinjoin from gmaxwell with wrong implementation.

How did he say he will come ring signatures into a BTC fork? why would you say that.. maybe he also will make a wrong implementation of it? It's so easy to trick non-tech savvy people (most investors) Roll Eyes

Im glad the Monero team is solid and saved the Bytecoin technology from absolute abyss.

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Minero? Good luck with your 2 year old ancient technology filled with bugs lacking proper developers to fix them. I get it, you're bitter because you missed the darktrain. Get over it. Not too late to join for 10x return on investment.
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Minero? Good luck with your 2 year old ancient technology filled with bugs lacking proper developers to fix them. I get it, you're bitter because you missed the darktrain. Get over it. Not too late to join for 10x return on investment.

another 10x rise? 0.15? mmh i don't think so

i think you are dreaming, not gonna happen

the train is near the "peak" station" already...
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Minero? Good luck with your 2 year old ancient technology filled with bugs lacking proper developers to fix them. I get it, you're bitter because you missed the darktrain. Get over it. Not too late to join for 10x return on investment.

another 10x rise? 0.15? mmh i don't think so

i think you are dreaming, not gonna happen

the train is near the "peak" station" already...

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Same with Vertcoin, more than 110 000 coins instamined.
Here is more info on how they've done it:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576107.msg6397907#msg6397907

Thank you for you information.


Nice bullshit, someone mined it after launch, surprise....Check Litecoin first hours if you want to have another "instamine" report - or basically every other coin that did start with litecoin based difficulty algo.

There was no "bug" that gave people more coins...its simply how the difficulty works for almost every coin.

THE FACTS ABOUT DARK COIN

1. released without windows QT so that only dev and pals could mine it.

2. Instamined harder than any other coin out there  12.5% of the current minting was mined in the first day

3. Later they decided to cut the minting by 75% to turn their 12.5% instamine with no windows QT into 50% instamine in 24hours - nice hey


yes that is correct they mined 50% of all the coins available at this time by themselves in the first 24 hours whilst windows users could not mine.


That is the facts.... doesn't matter what else they say... nothing can change what they have done.

Once zero coin, or bytecoin with a decent wallet it released or another darkcoin clone is released.... dark coin will sink like a stone.



Every time they try to spam their coin just post this to remind them of the facts about their coin.

nice, scam of scams!

i didn't know it was released without the qt, darkcoin is made from whales, and they are now sucking noobs inside their spiral pump on mintpal

Sad really, but you know. Thats how it goes.

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Minero? Good luck with your 2 year old ancient technology filled with bugs lacking proper developers to fix them. I get it, you're bitter because you missed the darktrain. Get over it. Not too late to join for 10x return on investment.

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Minero? Good luck with your 2 year old ancient technology filled with bugs lacking proper developers to fix them. I get it, you're bitter because you missed the darktrain. Get over it. Not too late to join for 10x return on investment.

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Same with Vertcoin, more than 110 000 coins instamined.
Here is more info on how they've done it:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=576107.msg6397907#msg6397907

Thank you for you information.


Nice bullshit, someone mined it after launch, surprise....Check Litecoin first hours if you want to have another "instamine" report - or basically every other coin that did start with litecoin based difficulty algo.

There was no "bug" that gave people more coins...its simply how the difficulty works for almost every coin.

THE FACTS ABOUT DARK COIN

1. released without windows QT so that only dev and pals could mine it.

2. Instamined harder than any other coin out there  12.5% of the current minting was mined in the first day

3. Later they decided to cut the minting by 75% to turn their 12.5% instamine with no windows QT into 50% instamine in 24hours - nice hey


yes that is correct they mined 50% of all the coins available at this time by themselves in the first 24 hours whilst windows users could not mine.


That is the facts.... doesn't matter what else they say... nothing can change what they have done.

Once zero coin, or bytecoin with a decent wallet it released or another darkcoin clone is released.... dark coin will sink like a stone.



Every time they try to spam their coin just post this to remind them of the facts about their coin.

nice, scam of scams!

i didn't know it was released without the qt, darkcoin is made from whales, and they are now sucking noobs inside their spiral pump on mintpal

Sad really, but you know. Thats how it goes.

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I don't know why drk still go up ! Huh
I mean are you crazy people ? they instamined 2 millions.
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I don't know why drk still go up ! Huh
I mean are you crazy people ? they instamined 2 millions.

bot whales are playing, they don't care about instamine or not
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the train is near the "peak" station" already...

The train is going to ride straight off a cliff unless the combined forces of Mark Karpeles and some new, internet drug site team together.

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the train is near the "peak" station" already...

The train is going to ride straight off a cliff unless the combined forces of Mark Karpeles and some new, internet drug site team together.

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May 22, 2014, 01:44:09 PM
Last edit: May 22, 2014, 03:40:34 PM by sid7039
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I don't know why drk still go up ! Huh
I mean are you crazy people ? they instamined 2 millions.

Yes, you are right :-)
Here http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins& we can read:
"3250 blocks multiplied by 500 coins a block is 1,625,000 Darkcoins created between the times of 3:54 and 11:22 on January 19th, 2014".

And today is only 4,315,600 DRK available supply....

2 million means - half of the market in somebody hands. WOW!
Half of the market for BTC it would be about 6 millions of BTC. Interresting how many people don't want to see it.

btw: but this isn't changing the other fact: Darkcoin is pushing boundaries!
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