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May 02, 2014, 09:41:41 AM
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Once a collectivist - always a collectivist. I fightet against anonymint, the collectivist in that thread already:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.320

He will always defend (endlessly until the end) his statist, collectivist BS, which is labor division, (local) police, constitutionally guaranteed (property) rights, constitutionalism, markets, exponantial econonomic growth (destruction), productivity, idiocy etc.
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May 02, 2014, 07:58:35 PM
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Once a collectivist - always a collectivist. I fightet against anonymint, the collectivist in that thread already:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.320

He will always defend (endlessly until the end) his statist, collectivist BS, which is labor division, (local) police, constitutionally guaranteed (property) rights, constitutionalism, markets, exponantial econonomic growth (destruction), productivity, idiocy etc.

Actually I am actively working on something that will render the Constitution irrelevant. Zarathustra wants to return us to the caveman era.


You can't find 'increasing gains' within an anarchist, stateless environment:



Increasing gains (vulgo: destruction) start as soon as you collectivize/civilize these free people and 'educate' them at the institutions of the collectivists.

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May 02, 2014, 08:18:54 PM
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Ya, so I was just gazing into my crystal ball, and I thought I'd let all my new-found friends from this thread know how things will turn out in Bundy-land.

An anonymous wealthy donor shows up and pays Bundy's past fees.  Sharp-eyed viewers might notice that Bundy has not done anything terribly wrong, nor have any of his family.  He's been an annoying pain-in-the-ass but there is no law against that.

Until evidence to the contrary, I believe Bundy is sincerely fighting for a local sovereignty. I've listened to some of his speeches and interviews.

I do believe you are correct (I've seen evidence that they did!) that the elite instigate, infiltrate, or co-opt most large scale movements, e.g. Martin Luther King, Black Panthers, etc..

For you to assume Bundy is complicit means you've basically decided there is never a solution that is based on political organization. Hopefully you know voting at the state and federal scope is nonsense.

He's also been the gift that keeps on giving to us on the left by telling tall tails that are easily dismissed, making absurd arguments which are trivial to shoot down,

Sorry you've lost that debate of the facts upthread.

making out-of-the-blue and over-the-top racial comments which just happened to be timed to royally screw his political supporters, etc and just happened to be caught by a reporter who happened to be around.  That might make a certain small segment of analysts say 'hmmm...', but not a lot.

The more politically incorrect arguments the better, it means this isn't a MSM movement, but rather an honest ideological one.

In that Oathkeeper Youtube you shared, the 4 guys agreed the camp was split on the racism issue, and that there is no racism there and even one of the Oathkeepers is obviously a light skinned black man and the other looks Hispanic.

I certainly wouldn't try to please the entire country if I was standing up for my local sovereignty. Either I can defend my local rights or I can't. Don't care what the opinion of the country is vis-à-vis the MSM.

In short, Bundy will be leasing land from the BLM for his somewhat reduced herd next year and paying the fees like all the rest of the Ranchers.  His problem which have been building for 20+ years will be resolved and behind him.

Let's see what happens. I get the impression that Bundy family is ready to die for anything less than BLM capitulation.

You seem to be delusional, because Bundy has so stated his resolve.

There are a contingent of people who really are 'milita' and at least in their own minds 'patriots'.  They were stirred by the cause, packed up their guns, and drove on out to NV.  Some of them were there for the showdown with the BLM.  They are now in a shit-load of trouble and they've got no way out.  Most of them have already packed up and gone home, but they will be quietly picked up by the cops in the coming months.

You are going to be shocked and learn something about real men, versus Communist pussies like yourself.

This is war now. The participants can't back down any more, and have to wage a wider and wider fight. I assume they know this. They know that backing down means they will be chewed up over time. The Oath Keepers will remain united and if the cops try to pick up one of them, all them will gang together to citizen arrest the cops for illegal arrest.

You have just seen the start of the American civil war. And this won't be like asleep sheep revolutionaries Ukraine, because Oathkeepers are kick-ass serious motherfuckers. They are armed to the hilt and they have been waiting for this opportunity. They are locked and loaded and ready for this civil war. They wish to die for this, if the alternative is defeat.

Bottom line is Oathkeepers have long been prepared to wage this war, and the Ukraine revolutionaries were unprepared because they were incited not by long-term reason but rather propaganda. Thus Ukraine is no threat to the global elite. But the Oathkeepers are massive threat to the global elite. Unfortunately our friend Armstrong is still in denial about this.

There are a contingent of individuals who worked formally worked on this psyop.  They will vanish into the ether that they came out of it.

The Oathkeepers (per the Youtube you shared upthread) already identified some of these infiltrators and they will continue to be diligent and weed them out (or weed themselves out). Bundy needs to show he is wising up, else he will lose the legitimate militia support.

Then there are the general public.  They'll be left with a general discomfort about the 2nd amendment and the dangers of certain 'extreme' groups.  The label 'extremist' will be more effective when pinned on the chest of future adversaries, and laws which protect 'the people' from various dangers (and guns in particular) will be easier to pass.

The asleep sheep are useless fodder any way. They don't matter.

For as long as you are worried into a tizzy about those who can't possibly be involved in any real change, then you remain a useless drivel queen.

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May 02, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
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Doubt we'll see a default. No reason for another FDR like treason when we can just pull another Nixon. Why would we default when we can just inflate the debt away? What's the point in getting rid of that pesky commodity backing for the currency if you're just going to blow it by defaulting anyway?

Sorry there has never been and never will be a hyperinflation of the reserve currency.

Obama is planning 70% taxes and hunt down all the wealth.

Massive deflationary spiral ahead starting 2016.

Also from your signature, proof-of-stake can never remain decentralized. Sorry.

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May 02, 2014, 09:39:02 PM
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Doubt we'll see a default. No reason for another FDR like treason when we can just pull another Nixon. Why would we default when we can just inflate the debt away? What's the point in getting rid of that pesky commodity backing for the currency if you're just going to blow it by defaulting anyway?

Sorry there has never been and never will be a hyperinflation of the reserve currency.

Obama is planning 70% taxes and hunt down all the wealth.

Massive deflationary spiral ahead starting 2016.

Also from your signature, proof-of-stake can never remain decentralized. Sorry.

I agree, there won't be hyperinflation, just very high inflation. This will do nothing to stop the already occurring deflationary forces at work. We've already seen the velocity of "money" slowing to a crawl as the faith based currency system is questioned by more and more peasants everyday. Inflation and deflation will continue to co-exist going forward, just as it has for some while now. Essentials like food, energy, education, and health care will continue to take ever larger portions of the typical debt slave's wages, while USDs spent on unnecessary junk like iphones, computers, & teevees will continue to go further.

Naturally barry will try to seize everything not nailed down as is the nature of a fascist in socialist's guise. Systematic wealth confiscation always has it's limits however as those with means always find ways to slip between the cracks.

I've read some of your posts with regard to bitcoin, centralization, and proof of stake. Some points I agree with and some I do not, but that's for another discussion.

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May 03, 2014, 12:11:12 AM
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I watched some of Ryan Bundy's explanation of why the family has their entitlement mentality.  As one might predict, it's almost 100% rambling nonsense and a lot of hokum and bunkum.  The question I couldn't help asking is

  "What, in the name of all that is holy, did God do to that guy's face?!?'

Ryan Bundy says that the devil is sneaking around the ranch and that is what is causing the internecine warfare amongst the militia clowns in and around Bundy-land.  Perhaps the devil was involved in some sort of a gang-bang when Ryan was conceived or did a little poking around when he was in gestation.  Hard to know.

Actually, since I don't believe in God, the real question I was wondering about was whether there might have been some inbreeding going on in that family.  That can also be a factor associated wit unusual physical defects.

Apparently the family even tried their luck out here in the Pacific Northwest at one time.  Thankfully they couldn't make it.  We've already got enough leaches to try to support and a prolific family can pop them out at an alarming rate.


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May 03, 2014, 12:35:14 AM
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How Far Agenda 21 Has Come, And How To Stop It
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9OlVVPsYU

tvbconf hits all his usual Communist, eugenics goals in prior post:

  • Reduce reproduction
  • Eliminate moral values, i.e. God
  • Eliminate diversity of cultures

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May 03, 2014, 12:40:57 AM
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blah blah blah more silly stereo-typing and mindless acceptance of collectivist policies of oppression.

You were funnier yesterday, stick to talking about your "wing". Now you're just drab. Ignored.
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May 03, 2014, 04:01:49 AM
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tvbconf hits all his usual Communist, eugenics goals in prior post:

  • Reduce reproduction
  • Eliminate moral values, i.e. God
  • Eliminate diversity of cultures

I always like it when someone calls me a Communist because it exposes them as a fool.  Ironically:

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Edward Bunker, who is no relation to Archie Bunker, founded Bunkerville in 1877 to establish a commune based on shared labor.

from: here.  I guess this is where Bundy's '1870's bullshit came from since it didn't come from any realistic interpretation of reality.

Anyway, I don't really mind giving a person a helping hand to pull them through a rough patch...Lefty that I am.  I do resent it a bit when the loser cops and entitlement attitude and takes advantage things by having a bunch of kids necessitating even more support.  Fundementalist Latter Day Saints apperently have a thing they call 'Bleeding the Beast' meaning that they take as much welfare as they can.

Worse than that, though:

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Allen said the group also collects government assistance for children with disabilities – disabilities she attributes to inbreeding in the FLDS community. She claims “in the state of Arizona alone, they’re getting between 20 and 30 million dollars a year” and most of the members “are living off taxpayer money.”  She interviewed former Attorney General Terry Goddard in her documentary. Goddard told her 80% of the FLDS members are on welfare and more than 4,000 of them have state medical insurance access.

Most people who are proficient at livestock management are familiar with the issues that inbreeding can produce.  I suppose some just can't help themselves sometimes even if they are aware of the phenomenon.


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May 03, 2014, 05:16:22 AM
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Just reading a little more about these issues that some fundy Mormons have.  Wow!  Just Wow!  (In fairness it needs to be noted that there are not a lot of the fundy Mormons.  Thankfully!  Every Mormon I've ever known has been, as best I can tell, a really decent person, and I've known a bunch.)

Apparently the fundies actually do try to preserve 'bloodlines' of several important families they actually do try to match things up a bit in order to achieve this...because it worked out so well for the Europeans I guess...  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_II_of_Spain

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Charles II's genome was actually more homozygous than that of a child whose parents are siblings.[4] He was born physically and mentally disabled, and disfigured. Possibly through affliction with mandibular prognathism, he was unable to chew.[4] His tongue was so large that his speech could barely be understood, and he frequently drooled.

Yuck!

No idea if old-man Bundy (founder of Bundyville/Mt.Trumell AZ) and old-man Bunker (founder of Bunkerville NV) are integral part of the 'royal bloodlines' or not.

One things is for sure, though; Ryan Bundy (aka 'Quasimodo') is a funny looking dude!

  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5c0_1398969130&comments=1

Another thing I know is that the comments on LiveLeak are harsh.  One of them observing:

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If ranching does not work out for him, he can still join the circus.


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May 03, 2014, 05:48:17 AM
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the fucked up thing is that these are the kind of people that breed a shitload.. they are like cockroaches.
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May 03, 2014, 06:10:53 AM
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the fucked up thing is that these are the kind of people that breed a shitload.. they are like cockroaches.

I suppose it would be a little bit easier to get some pussy if a guy didn't have to rule out his immediate family members as targets of opportunity.  Thankfully it has not proven that good of a recruiting technique and there are only a relatively few small enclaves of these FLDS societies because the strategy has proven to produce some is distressing results.  I'm glad that most people do have sort of an in-born sense of decency.

Or maybe the (very welcome) low population count of the FLDS folk is because they just kind of die off on their own when the genetic problems become incompatible with life or at least with reproduction.  Come to think of it, polygamy would be one way to extend the viability of such a population because a few individuals would remain fertile by the laws of chance.


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Once a collectivist - always a collectivist. I fightet against anonymint, the collectivist in that thread already:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455141.320

He will always defend (endlessly until the end) his statist, collectivist BS, which is labor division, (local) police, constitutionally guaranteed (property) rights, constitutionalism, markets, exponantial econonomic growth (destruction), productivity, idiocy etc.

Actually I am actively working on something that will render the Constitution irrelevant. Zarathustra wants to return us to the caveman era.


You can't find 'increasing gains' within an anarchist, stateless environment:



Increasing gains (vulgo: destruction) start as soon as you collectivize/civilize these free people and 'educate' them at the institutions of the collectivists.


1. Nomads are Nomads; they do not live in caves.

2. The cheerleaders of labor division and society (economic growth / destruction of the planet) are collectivists. An economy/market/society (which is collectivism) has never been something different than a "state bastard" (Paul C. Martin). That's the reason why all collectivists (socialists and capitalists) promote the collectivist institutions and constitutions (militarism, police, all kind of churches and male gods, which is opium for the people).

3. They need collectivism to maintain their lifestyle, which is no life. "The state, I call it, where all are poison-drinkers, the good and the bad: the state, where all lose themselves, the good and the bad: the state, where the slow suicide of all — is called "life." (Thus spoke Zarathustra)

4. I support an anonymous crypto currency, because it is a tool to destroy the society of the homo oeconomicus, who is not a human anymore. He is a 'living' cartoon of it. A fight between the capitalists and the socialists is a fight of the same creatures: collectivists. A fight of the Judean People's Front' against the People's Front of Judea.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE
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May 03, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
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Well folks you see how politics devolves into an invasion into personal privacy and choice.

The issue was property rights, but the Communists will always try to divert it from that of course.

The thread is basically dead, because there is nothing more to discuss.

Opt-out and let the Communists do the megadeath ritual.

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Well folks you see how politics devolves into an invasion into personal privacy and choice.

The issue was property rights, but the Communists will always try to divert it from that of course.

The thread is basically dead, because there is nothing more to discuss.

Opt-out and let the Communists do the megadeath ritual.

Only collectivists (Communists and Capitalists) demand property rights. Real humans (communities beyond the society) don't. Communism/capitalism is the perversion of the community.
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---------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------
Subject: Martin you are losing your sanity
From:    AnonyMint
Date:    Sat, May 3, 2014 6:20 am
To:      armstrongeconomics@gmail.com
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http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/05/02/lagrandes-imf-should-be-outlawed-the-real-terrorist-organization/

Quote from: Armstrong
The CIA conspiracy has worked well. Nobody will defend these people
because they assume they will be supporting the CIA. Meanwhile, the US has
usurped the democratic process and the people are denied the right to
honest free elections for nobody but professional politicians are allowed
near government. This is the real downside of the NSA – just allege a CIA
plot and you disarm the people. Absolutely brilliant!

I've never seen you write such complete nonsense before.

Have my emails caused you to have a mental breakdown?

Show some evidence that powers that are capable of intervening in the
Ukraine situation ares swayed not to by the an alleged CIA plot. That is
an incredulous assumption.

Simply put, none of us can do a damn thing. Do you expect us to write our
Congressman and demand the USA go defend Ukraine against Russia? Are you
crazy?

We should start a war with Russia because the Ukraine revolutionaries
miscalculated and started a revolution that they could not finish.

At least the Oathkeepers in the USA are armed and fully prepared to finish
what they start.

Europeans are for the most part a clueless bunch of Communist fucks. They
never did fight for gun rights and submitted to gun control. So thus they
can't defend their liberty. Exceptions to some small extent for example in
North Finland.

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Well folks you see how politics devolves into an invasion into personal privacy and choice.

The issue was property rights, but the Communists will always try to divert it from that of course.

The thread is basically dead, because there is nothing more to discuss.

Opt-out and let the Communists do the megadeath ritual.

Only collectivists (Communists and Capitalists) demand property rights. Real humans (communities beyond the society) don't. Communism/capitalism is the perversion of the community.

Thus you agree to let me cut off your penis. It is not your property. Your penis is a nomad that should roam and not be possessed nor owned.

Conflating property rights with collectivism is a signal you are losing your sanity.

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Fundementalist Latter Day Saints apperently have a thing they call 'Bleeding the Beast' meaning that they take as much welfare as they can.

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May 03, 2014, 11:52:33 AM
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Nevada Standoff a Symptom of Increasing Authoritarianism
Written by Ron Paul

The nation’s attention has for the past few weeks been riveted by a standoff in Nevada between armed federal agents and the Bundys, a ranching family who believe the federal government is exceeding its authority by assessing “fees” against ranchers who graze cattle on government lands. Outrage over the government's use of armed agents to forcibly remove the Bundys’ cattle led many Americans to travel to Nevada to engage in nonviolent civil disobedience in support of the family.

The protests seem to have worked, at least for now, as the government appears to have backed off from direct confrontation. Sadly, some elected officials have inflamed the situation by labeling the Bundys and their supporters “domestic terrorists,” thus justifying any future use of force by the government. That means there is always the possibility of another deadly Waco-style raid on the Bundys or a similar group in the future.

In a state like Nevada, where 84 percent of the land is owned by the federal government, these types of conflicts are inevitable. Government ownership of land means that land is in theory owned by everyone, but in practice owned by no one. Thus, those who use the land lack the incentives to preserve it for the long term. As a result, land-use rules are set by politicians and bureaucrats. Oftentimes, the so-called “public” land is used in ways that benefit politically-powerful special interests.

Politicians and bureaucrats can, and will, arbitrarily change the rules governing the land. In the 19th century, some Americans moved to Nevada because the government promised them that they, and their descendants, would always be able to use the federally-owned land.  The Nevada ranchers believed they had an implied contract with the government allowing them to use the land for grazing. When government bureaucrats decided they needed to restrict grazing to protect the desert tortoise, they used force to drive most ranchers away.

By contrast, if the Nevada land in question was privately owned, the dispute over whether to allow the ranchers to continue to use the land would have likely been resolved without sending in federal armed agents to remove the Bundys’ cattle from the land. This is one more reason why the federal government should rid itself of all federal land holdings. Selling federal lands would also help reduce the federal deficit.

It is unlikely that Congress will divest the federal government’s land holdings, as most in government are more interested in increasing government power than in protecting and restoring private property rights.

A government that continually violates our rights of property and contract can fairly be descried as authoritarian. Of course, the politicians and bureaucrats take offense at this term, but how else do you describe a government that forbids Americans from grazing cattle on land they have used for over a century, from buying health insurance that does not meet Obamacare’s standards, from trading with Cuba, or even from drinking raw milk? That so many in DC support the NSA spying and the TSA assaults on our privacy shows the low regard that too many in government have for our rights. 

History shows us that authoritarian systems, whether fascist, communist, or Keynesian, will inevitably fail. I believe incidents such as that in Nevada show we may be witnessing the failure of the American authoritarian warfare-welfare state -- and that of course would be good. This is why it is so important that those of us who understand the freedom philosophy spread the truth about how statism caused our problems and why liberty is the only solution.

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/april/20/nevada-standoff-a-symptom-of-increasing-authoritarianism.aspx

Bold format added by me: It clearly answers the guy who called the rancher a "bum looking to feed his cattle without paying taxes".


Permanently use the public land for free?
Doesn't that sound rather Communist?  Tongue


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May 03, 2014, 02:37:03 PM
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By contrast, if the Nevada land in question was privately owned, the dispute over whether to allow the ranchers to continue to use the land would have likely been resolved without sending in federal armed agents to remove the Bundys’ cattle from the land. This is one more reason why the federal government should rid itself of all federal land holdings. Selling federal lands would also help reduce the federal deficit.

It is unlikely that Congress will divest the federal government’s land holdings, as most in government are more interested in increasing government power than in protecting and restoring private property rights.

I think read some speculation that the land has been promised to the Chinese if they hang on to our bonds until the USA collapses.

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