Bir Tawil nation

[Kiki112]

they could be okay mostly because we would be under their authority and would import everything from them
that is what they need, it's benefiting them
why would they refuse?

yeah, but the greek island is 0.2sq km while Bir Tawil is 2060 sq km

but if you insist..

As stated in all these threads, nations rarely accept someone stealing their territory. And this area is not only claimed by one nation, but by two. And it's quite big as well!
So, honestly, I think the greek island idea is a lot easier to go through with!

it's not claimed by any nation rather then 2!

if any of them wanted it they would of taken it by now..

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[lepirate]

they could be okay mostly because we would be under their authority and would import everything from them
that is what they need, it's benefiting them
why would they refuse?

yeah, but the greek island is 0.2sq km while Bir Tawil is 2060 sq km

but if you insist..

As stated in all these threads, nations rarely accept someone stealing their territory. And this area is not only claimed by one nation, but by two. And it's quite big as well!
So, honestly, I think the greek island idea is a lot easier to go through with!

it's not claimed by any nation rather then 2!

if any of them wanted it they would of taken it by now..

No, because if one of them seriously attempt to take it, it will unarguably lead to a full scale war in that area. And neither Egypt or Sudan wants that.

[Kiki112]

they could be okay mostly because we would be under their authority and would import everything from them
that is what they need, it's benefiting them
why would they refuse?

yeah, but the greek island is 0.2sq km while Bir Tawil is 2060 sq km

but if you insist..

As stated in all these threads, nations rarely accept someone stealing their territory. And this area is not only claimed by one nation, but by two. And it's quite big as well!
So, honestly, I think the greek island idea is a lot easier to go through with!

it's not claimed by any nation rather then 2!

if any of them wanted it they would of taken it by now..

No, because if one of them seriously attempt to take it, it will unarguably lead to a full scale war in that area. And neither Egypt or Sudan wants that.

that's why we can take it

if we take it and Egypt takes it won't it lead to an all out war

if we take it and Sudan takes it won't it lead to an all out war?

[kuroman]

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

BUT

High temperatures, plenty of sunny time means paradise for the crypto community

Why?

Setting up solar panels with maximum usage (so much sunny hours ) and generating free electricity to build massive space for mining

Possibility of creating a cex.io like website and selling mining GH/s etc. to acquire money for this project

What do you guys think?

2060 km2, a lot more then a 10sq km2 island to build or a 0.2 sq km2 island to purchase

For reference Bir Tawil (arabic) means long (water) well the zone is unclaimed officialy but there are soldiers in the region.

Solar panels is not a good solution due to the temperature, but Solar thermal power is (better than solar panel imo) plus I'm not sure about this the region should have great wind tunnels so Wind power should be another solution.

but there are some other serious issues, like pirates that have quite the numbers in the region, also it is a very instable and poor region (Sudan is in the middle of a civile war with armed groups and separatist and what's not. The best option for is to built an Island in international waters, near in a strategic zone, I think near the shore of Morocco is not a bad choice, as you can get the work force easly, you are in the middle of major fiber optic lines (between EU/Africa and the US (no NSA Control)) , the weather is not bad, and you can get plenty of energy being it, solar, wind, and hydraulic using ocean currents) the other option would be the pacific, but it doesn't have the same advantages

[Kiki112]

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

BUT

High temperatures, plenty of sunny time means paradise for the crypto community

Why?

Setting up solar panels with maximum usage (so much sunny hours ) and generating free electricity to build massive space for mining

Possibility of creating a cex.io like website and selling mining GH/s etc. to acquire money for this project

What do you guys think?

2060 km2, a lot more then a 10sq km2 island to build or a 0.2 sq km2 island to purchase

For reference Bir Tawil (arabic) means long (water) well the zone is unclaimed officialy but there are soldiers in the region.

Solar panels is not a good solution due to the temperature, but Solar thermal power is (better than solar panel imo) plus I'm not sure about this the region should have great wind tunnels so Wind power should be another solution.

but there are some other serious issues, like pirates that have quite the numbers in the region, also it is a very instable and poor region (Sudan is in the middle of a civile war with armed groups and separatist and what's not. The best option for is to built an Island in international waters, near in a strategic zone, I think near the shore of Morocco is not a bad choice, as you can get the work force easly, you are in the middle of major fiber optic lines (between EU/Africa and the US (no NSA Control)) , the weather is not bad, and you can get plenty of energy being it, solar, wind, and hydraulic using ocean currents) the other option would be the pacific, but it doesn't have the same advantages

hm, interesting

I understand the danger

but there is no other territory with such volume we could take

that's why it's so appealing

[lepirate]

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

BUT

High temperatures, plenty of sunny time means paradise for the crypto community

Why?

Setting up solar panels with maximum usage (so much sunny hours ) and generating free electricity to build massive space for mining

Possibility of creating a cex.io like website and selling mining GH/s etc. to acquire money for this project

What do you guys think?

2060 km2, a lot more then a 10sq km2 island to build or a 0.2 sq km2 island to purchase

For reference Bir Tawil (arabic) means long (water) well the zone is unclaimed officialy but there are soldiers in the region.

Solar panels is not a good solution due to the temperature, but Solar thermal power is (better than solar panel imo) plus I'm not sure about this the region should have great wind tunnels so Wind power should be another solution.

but there are some other serious issues, like pirates that have quite the numbers in the region, also it is a very instable and poor region (Sudan is in the middle of a civile war with armed groups and separatist and what's not. The best option for is to built an Island in international waters, near in a strategic zone, I think near the shore of Morocco is not a bad choice, as you can get the work force easly, you are in the middle of major fiber optic lines (between EU/Africa and the US (no NSA Control)) , the weather is not bad, and you can get plenty of energy being it, solar, wind, and hydraulic using ocean currents) the other option would be the pacific, but it doesn't have the same advantages

hm, interesting

I understand the danger

but there is no other territory with such volume we could take

that's why it's so appealing

Antarctica is bigger, safer AND we can take it! It's a bit cold though...

[kuroman]

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

BUT

High temperatures, plenty of sunny time means paradise for the crypto community

Why?

Setting up solar panels with maximum usage (so much sunny hours ) and generating free electricity to build massive space for mining

Possibility of creating a cex.io like website and selling mining GH/s etc. to acquire money for this project

What do you guys think?

2060 km2, a lot more then a 10sq km2 island to build or a 0.2 sq km2 island to purchase

For reference Bir Tawil (arabic) means long (water) well the zone is unclaimed officialy but there are soldiers in the region.

Solar panels is not a good solution due to the temperature, but Solar thermal power is (better than solar panel imo) plus I'm not sure about this the region should have great wind tunnels so Wind power should be another solution.

but there are some other serious issues, like pirates that have quite the numbers in the region, also it is a very instable and poor region (Sudan is in the middle of a civile war with armed groups and separatist and what's not. The best option for is to built an Island in international waters, near in a strategic zone, I think near the shore of Morocco is not a bad choice, as you can get the work force easly, you are in the middle of major fiber optic lines (between EU/Africa and the US (no NSA Control)) , the weather is not bad, and you can get plenty of energy being it, solar, wind, and hydraulic using ocean currents) the other option would be the pacific, but it doesn't have the same advantages

hm, interesting

I understand the danger

but there is no other territory with such volume we could take

that's why it's so appealing

Antarctica is bigger, safer AND we can take it! It's a bit cold though...

Antarctica is impossible from a technological stand point (energy, temperatures and seasons), unless of course you want to live with Hitler and his scret base in antarctica, maybe he can take you in his Hanebu to the dark side of the moon (which is not dark actually)

But anyways if you can set a permanent base in Arctanctica, setting one in Mars shouldn't be an issue (apart from getting stuff to Mars )

[Kiki112]

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

BUT

High temperatures, plenty of sunny time means paradise for the crypto community

Why?

Setting up solar panels with maximum usage (so much sunny hours ) and generating free electricity to build massive space for mining

Possibility of creating a cex.io like website and selling mining GH/s etc. to acquire money for this project

What do you guys think?

2060 km2, a lot more then a 10sq km2 island to build or a 0.2 sq km2 island to purchase

For reference Bir Tawil (arabic) means long (water) well the zone is unclaimed officialy but there are soldiers in the region.

Solar panels is not a good solution due to the temperature, but Solar thermal power is (better than solar panel imo) plus I'm not sure about this the region should have great wind tunnels so Wind power should be another solution.

but there are some other serious issues, like pirates that have quite the numbers in the region, also it is a very instable and poor region (Sudan is in the middle of a civile war with armed groups and separatist and what's not. The best option for is to built an Island in international waters, near in a strategic zone, I think near the shore of Morocco is not a bad choice, as you can get the work force easly, you are in the middle of major fiber optic lines (between EU/Africa and the US (no NSA Control)) , the weather is not bad, and you can get plenty of energy being it, solar, wind, and hydraulic using ocean currents) the other option would be the pacific, but it doesn't have the same advantages

hm, interesting

I understand the danger

but there is no other territory with such volume we could take

that's why it's so appealing

Antarctica is bigger, safer AND we can take it! It's a bit cold though...

they will not allow us

Article IV § 2 states: “No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty shall be asserted while the present Treaty is in force”

[lepirate]

they will not allow us

Article IV § 2 states: “No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty shall be asserted while the present Treaty is in force”

That only applies to countries that has signed the treaty. Which we won't. Anyway, non of the nations have the right to deny our claim either. Also, if they disagree with our decision they can't do anything since according to the treaty, no military activity is allowed on Antarctica. I don't see what could possibly stop us? (except for money)

[Kiki112]

they will not allow us

Article IV § 2 states: “No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty shall be asserted while the present Treaty is in force”

That only applies to countries that has signed the treaty. Which we won't. Anyway, non of the nations have the right to deny our claim either. Also, if they disagree with our decision they can't do anything since according to the treaty, no military activity is allowed on Antarctica. I don't see what could possibly stop us? (except for money)

hmm

you made a point there

but it's Antarctica, it's -70C

who would want to live here?

altough, yeah, nice temperature so our miners don't overheat

but we'll have a hard time acquiring free electricity

[lepirate]

they will not allow us

Article IV § 2 states: “No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty shall be asserted while the present Treaty is in force”

That only applies to countries that has signed the treaty. Which we won't. Anyway, non of the nations have the right to deny our claim either. Also, if they disagree with our decision they can't do anything since according to the treaty, no military activity is allowed on Antarctica. I don't see what could possibly stop us? (except for money)

hmm

you made a point there

but it's Antarctica, it's -70C

who would want to live here?

altough, yeah, nice temperature so our miners don't overheat

but we'll have a hard time acquiring free electricity

In the coldest place on Antarctica the average temperature is -55°C. The costal areas however is much warmer. During the winters the average temperatures is around −18 °C, while during the summers it's about 0°C, and sometimes even more.

Who would want to live there? Well, people who feels this is a cool concept and people who have no future in their current countries would probably at least consider it for example.

And no, we would not have to worry about miners overheating!

The electricity, as I've said earlier, we'll get from solar power, wind turbines and power buoys, and with the right amount of them they should be able to support us.

[lepirate]

Antarctica is impossible from a technological stand point (energy, temperatures and seasons), unless of course you want to live with Hitler and his scret base in antarctica, maybe he can take you in his Hanebu to the dark side of the moon (which is not dark actually)

But anyways if you can set a permanent base in Arctanctica, setting one in Mars shouldn't be an issue (apart from getting stuff to Mars )

Antarctica is not impossible at all.
Mars would not be impossible either, but it would be a lot harder.
Apart from getting materials to Mars, there would be problems with food and water supplies. And of course, we must not forget the problem with oxygen. And the risk of meteor crashes is much higher thanks to its thin atmosphere. Oh, the atmosphere would also be a big problem since it doesn't stop much of the cosmic radiation. So simply, it would be a LOT harder.
So, lets not mix apples and pears, shall we?

[Kiki112]

they will not allow us

Article IV § 2 states: “No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty shall be asserted while the present Treaty is in force”

That only applies to countries that has signed the treaty. Which we won't. Anyway, non of the nations have the right to deny our claim either. Also, if they disagree with our decision they can't do anything since according to the treaty, no military activity is allowed on Antarctica. I don't see what could possibly stop us? (except for money)

hmm

you made a point there

but it's Antarctica, it's -70C

who would want to live here?

altough, yeah, nice temperature so our miners don't overheat

but we'll have a hard time acquiring free electricity

In the coldest place on Antarctica the average temperature is -55°C. The costal areas however is much warmer. During the winters the average temperatures is around −18 °C, while during the summers it's about 0°C, and sometimes even more.

Who would want to live there? Well, people who feels this is a cool concept and people who have no future in their current countries would probably at least consider it for example.

And no, we would not have to worry about miners overheating!

The electricity, as I've said earlier, we'll get from solar power, wind turbines and power buoys, and with the right amount of them they should be able to support us.

yeah, but low efficiency of the solar panels because of not so many sunny hours..

we would need a larger investment but it's worth it since we'll be saving a lot because we're not building our own island

@about Mars

let's stay realistic, food transfer would be too expensive, not mentioning other things + oxygen

[kuroman]

they will not allow us

Article IV § 2 states: “No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty shall be asserted while the present Treaty is in force”

That only applies to countries that has signed the treaty. Which we won't. Anyway, non of the nations have the right to deny our claim either. Also, if they disagree with our decision they can't do anything since according to the treaty, no military activity is allowed on Antarctica. I don't see what could possibly stop us? (except for money)

hmm

you made a point there

but it's Antarctica, it's -70C

who would want to live here?

altough, yeah, nice temperature so our miners don't overheat

but we'll have a hard time acquiring free electricity

it's not only -70° but 6 months nights and also blizzard no supply can reach you for over half a year and no infrastructure there

[Kiki112]

they will not allow us

Article IV § 2 states: “No acts or activities taking place while the present Treaty is in force shall constitute a basis for asserting, supporting or denying a claim to territorial sovereignty in Antarctica. No new claim, or enlargement of an existing claim, to territorial sovereignty shall be asserted while the present Treaty is in force”

That only applies to countries that has signed the treaty. Which we won't. Anyway, non of the nations have the right to deny our claim either. Also, if they disagree with our decision they can't do anything since according to the treaty, no military activity is allowed on Antarctica. I don't see what could possibly stop us? (except for money)

hmm

you made a point there

but it's Antarctica, it's -70C

who would want to live here?

altough, yeah, nice temperature so our miners don't overheat

but we'll have a hard time acquiring free electricity

it's not only -70° but 6 months nights and also blizzard no supply can reach you for over half a year and no infrastructure there

that put solar panels out of the option

lol

is there enough wind for wind power?

also curious if there are parts which aren't frozen and unclaimed

[lepirate]

yeah, but low efficiency of the solar panels because of not so many sunny hours..

we would need a larger investment but it's worth it since we'll be saving a lot because we're not building our own island

it's not only -70° but 6 months nights and also blizzard no supply can reach you for over half a year and no infrastructure there

Yes, but six months of night also means six months of day.
Sure, during that 6 months night the solar panels will not produce any electricity, but thanks to the power buoys and wind turbines we might have enough anyway. We could also produce biogas to use if we don't produce enough with our renewable systems, since it is hard to store the excessive energy for a time as long as six months. It's always good to have a backup system.

[Kiki112]

yeah, but low efficiency of the solar panels because of not so many sunny hours..

we would need a larger investment but it's worth it since we'll be saving a lot because we're not building our own island

it's not only -70° but 6 months nights and also blizzard no supply can reach you for over half a year and no infrastructure there

Yes, but six months of night also means six months of day.
Sure, during that 6 months night the solar panels will not produce any electricity, but thanks to the power buoys and wind turbines we might have enough anyway. We could also produce biogas to use if we don't produce enough with our renewable systems, since it is hard to store the excessive energy for a time as long as six months. It's always good to have a backup system.

seems a bit too expensive

there isn't enough sunlight to produce a lot of electricity I think even the sun is there..

[lepirate]

yeah, but low efficiency of the solar panels because of not so many sunny hours..

we would need a larger investment but it's worth it since we'll be saving a lot because we're not building our own island

it's not only -70° but 6 months nights and also blizzard no supply can reach you for over half a year and no infrastructure there

Yes, but six months of night also means six months of day.
Sure, during that 6 months night the solar panels will not produce any electricity, but thanks to the power buoys and wind turbines we might have enough anyway. We could also produce biogas to use if we don't produce enough with our renewable systems, since it is hard to store the excessive energy for a time as long as six months. It's always good to have a backup system.

seems a bit too expensive

there isn't enough sunlight to produce a lot of electricity I think even the sun is there..

I'm pretty sure it is.

The biggest problem would be where to place it. It'd have to be placed in an "Antarctic oasis", an area that's not covered with snow or ice. However, all of those "oases" I can find is placed in territory claimed by other nations. The other option would be to build it inside a mountain in unclaimed territory, but that'd be to destroy the antarctic nature + rock is not very fertile.
So, that leaves us with only one option, to build in claimed territory. However, since most countries in the world does not recognize any claims on antarctica that should not be a problem. The country that claims the area we'll build on will not be able to do anything either, since military operations are strictly forbidden.
Here's a list of possible places for this settlement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_oasis#Geography

[kuroman]

Antarctica is impossible from a technological stand point (energy, temperatures and seasons), unless of course you want to live with Hitler and his scret base in antarctica, maybe he can take you in his Hanebu to the dark side of the moon (which is not dark actually)

But anyways if you can set a permanent base in Arctanctica, setting one in Mars shouldn't be an issue (apart from getting stuff to Mars )

Antarctica is not impossible at all.
Mars would not be impossible either, but it would be a lot harder.
Apart from getting materials to Mars, there would be problems with food and water supplies. And of course, we must not forget the problem with oxygen. And the risk of meteor crashes is much higher thanks to its thin atmosphere. Oh, the atmosphere would also be a big problem since it doesn't stop much of the cosmic radiation. So simply, it would be a LOT harder.
So, lets not mix apples and pears, shall we?

It is impossible, 6 month of night during polar winter at -70°C with nothing that can give you supply, you'll need a closed heated ecosystem to grow you own food which requires tons of energy

You can grow food on Mars and water is abundant on Mars and you can create a micro ecosystem CO2 is abundant in Mars plants will creat oxygene trough photosynthesis as there is abundant sunlight you just a green house to creat decent pressure, and yes you'll need space suite on Mars but you can creat oxygen being trough plants or water and air recycling and co2, as for meteorite, earth has more gravity and thus it is bound to attract more meteorites than Mars, also Atmosphere only burn small meteorites while for big ones it either makes them explode or split which is more devastating as for cosmic radiation is a non issue if the habitat is underground

[Kiki112]

yeah, but low efficiency of the solar panels because of not so many sunny hours..

we would need a larger investment but it's worth it since we'll be saving a lot because we're not building our own island

it's not only -70° but 6 months nights and also blizzard no supply can reach you for over half a year and no infrastructure there

Yes, but six months of night also means six months of day.
Sure, during that 6 months night the solar panels will not produce any electricity, but thanks to the power buoys and wind turbines we might have enough anyway. We could also produce biogas to use if we don't produce enough with our renewable systems, since it is hard to store the excessive energy for a time as long as six months. It's always good to have a backup system.

seems a bit too expensive

there isn't enough sunlight to produce a lot of electricity I think even the sun is there..

I'm pretty sure it is.

The biggest problem would be where to place it. It'd have to be placed in an "Antarctic oasis", an area that's not covered with snow or ice. However, all of those "oases" I can find is placed in territory claimed by other nations. The other option would be to build it inside a mountain in unclaimed territory, but that'd be to destroy the antarctic nature + rock is not very fertile.
So, that leaves us with only one option, to build in claimed territory. However, since most countries in the world does not recognize any claims on antarctica that should not be a problem. The country that claims the area we'll build on will not be able to do anything either, since military operations are strictly forbidden.
Here's a list of possible places for this settlement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_oasis#Geography

it would really be interesting to see what would happen and how would other nations react to this