Bir Tawil nation

[kuroman]

lol, I'm the original poster, how can you tell me what was my mission?

Maybe I misinterpreted something but reading this

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

Then reading the Island thread which is talking about an independent country or are where bitcoin will be the currency of choice.

but if it is not the case, let me ask something why anyone would go trough the hassle to get somewhere unclaimed to produce bitcoin? there is no country in the world that prevents you for doing so, I fail to see the point -.- if it is to have an independant terrertory free to make dah bitcoin country

[Kiki112]

lol, I'm the original poster, how can you tell me what was my mission?

Maybe I misinterpreted something but reading this

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

Then reading the Island thread which is talking about an independent country or are where bitcoin will be the currency of choice.

but if it is not the case, let me ask something why anyone would go trough the hassle to get somewhere unclaimed to produce bitcoin? there is no country in the world that prevents you for doing so, I fail to see the point -.- if it is to have an independant terrertory free to make dah bitcoin country

because of no taxes

you seem not to understand how much money you actually lose due to paying taxes

[bryant.coleman]

For people who want to establish a nation at Bir Tawil. The region is land-locked, and is sorrounded by Egypt to the North and Sudan to the South. For establishing an independent nation, first you need to travel to Bir Tawil. How will you be able to travel, when both Egypt and Sudan has forbidden foreigners from traveling to that region?

[Kiki112]

For people who want to establish a nation at Bir Tawil. The region is land-locked, and is sorrounded by Egypt to the North and Sudan to the South. For establishing an independent nation, first you need to travel to Bir Tawil. How will you be able to travel, when both Egypt and Sudan has forbidden foreigners from traveling to that region?

the region is filled with Egyptian soldiers

so our plan is to persuade the Egyptian goverment to let us form a country that will be under complete authority of Egypt

points I have made are a few pages back from importing their products to tourist benefits..

[bryant.coleman]

the region is filled with Egyptian soldiers
so our plan is to persuade the Egyptian goverment to let us form a country that will be under complete authority of Egypt
points I have made are a few pages back from importing their products to tourist benefits..

The last time I heard, Sudan and Egypt were not in good terms with each other. So even if you somehow persuade Egypt, I don't think the Sudanese will agree to cede the territory. 

[lepirate]

Coastal area ? what coast are you speaking about you do understand that in winter the land scape changes completely with icecaps growing by hundred of miles and that the supposed cost area becomes hundreds if not thousands of miles away of the liquid water? so anything related to fishing or tyde energy is impossible not only you aren't answering the energy issue we are talking about here I have the feeling that you are really underestimating Antarctica (and why scientist are having a hard time there despite the millions of dollars budgets)
here you go :



Also when it comes to temperatures, McMurdo antarctic base which is coastal and located in one of the warmest if not the warmest area in Antarctica  the temperature can reach -50°C -60°C, the winter doesn't hit in one go, hence the mean temperature is as high as -28°C but that doesn't mean that there aren't days where the temperatures as low -60°C, as for winds blizzards and such, please, .... Antarctica is very windy place, since there aren't much mountains to block the wind(the continent mountains are under ice)

As for biogas.....let's discuss some facts so you know what you are talking about.....You need a 35°C in the digester to decompose waste into biogas.
Biogas is very hard to store as it is very hard to liquify but more importantly 50Cows, would produce the equivalent of 50L of fuel everyday, I don't know if you can put it in perspective, the amount of space and energy needed to give 50 cows a living environnement in Antartica would use more than those 50L of fuel per day I'm not even talking about feeding them (you can also use human waste and organic food waste but it's no where near what cows produce) so no biogas is not an option here. maybe you have other solution you didn't present yet so feel free to share

While you do have a point that the ice expands during the winters, but then, that just means that our fishing fleet will have to move further away from land. Pretty simple as well.
Wave power might be a problem in the winters, but we'd just have to compensate that with more wind power and biogas.

I can neither see the point that on that "some days it can go as low as -50°C to -60°C". The average temprature is mid winter −26°C. That's what we have to start from.
Thanks to all that wind we can get energy btw. The turbines could become covered in snow and ice during these blizzards, but when that happens we'd just have to go on our backup system with stored energy. When the blizzard is over we'd just have to remove the ice. The population needs to do something anyway.

Cows don't need very high temperatures, if we can keep the place on about 18°C it will work. And keeping something about 18°C under ground, especially with cows that themselves emit heat, is not that hard.
And then we'd just need to build the digester deep under the ground, heat it up, and there, no problems.

[lepirate]

Btw, I don't say it would be easy, I'm just saying that it's the easiest plan of the Antarctica, Mars and Bir Tawil plans.

[Kiki112]

the region is filled with Egyptian soldiers
so our plan is to persuade the Egyptian goverment to let us form a country that will be under complete authority of Egypt
points I have made are a few pages back from importing their products to tourist benefits..

The last time I heard, Sudan and Egypt were not in good terms with each other. So even if you somehow persuade Egypt, I don't think the Sudanese will agree to cede the territory.  

The Sudanese won't risk war for a bunch of sand

[Kiki112]

Coastal area ? what coast are you speaking about you do understand that in winter the land scape changes completely with icecaps growing by hundred of miles and that the supposed cost area becomes hundreds if not thousands of miles away of the liquid water? so anything related to fishing or tyde energy is impossible not only you aren't answering the energy issue we are talking about here I have the feeling that you are really underestimating Antarctica (and why scientist are having a hard time there despite the millions of dollars budgets)
here you go :



Also when it comes to temperatures, McMurdo antarctic base which is coastal and located in one of the warmest if not the warmest area in Antarctica  the temperature can reach -50°C -60°C, the winter doesn't hit in one go, hence the mean temperature is as high as -28°C but that doesn't mean that there aren't days where the temperatures as low -60°C, as for winds blizzards and such, please, .... Antarctica is very windy place, since there aren't much mountains to block the wind(the continent mountains are under ice)

As for biogas.....let's discuss some facts so you know what you are talking about.....You need a 35°C in the digester to decompose waste into biogas.
Biogas is very hard to store as it is very hard to liquify but more importantly 50Cows, would produce the equivalent of 50L of fuel everyday, I don't know if you can put it in perspective, the amount of space and energy needed to give 50 cows a living environnement in Antartica would use more than those 50L of fuel per day I'm not even talking about feeding them (you can also use human waste and organic food waste but it's no where near what cows produce) so no biogas is not an option here. maybe you have other solution you didn't present yet so feel free to share

While you do have a point that the ice expands during the winters, but then, that just means that our fishing fleet will have to move further away from land. Pretty simple as well.
Wave power might be a problem in the winters, but we'd just have to compensate that with more wind power and biogas.

I can neither see the point that on that "some days it can go as low as -50°C to -60°C". The average temprature is mid winter −26°C. That's what we have to start from.
Thanks to all that wind we can get energy btw. The turbines could become covered in snow and ice during these blizzards, but when that happens we'd just have to go on our backup system with stored energy. When the blizzard is over we'd just have to remove the ice. The population needs to do something anyway.

Cows don't need very high temperatures, if we can keep the place on about 18°C it will work. And keeping something about 18°C under ground, especially with cows that themselves emit heat, is not that hard.
And then we'd just need to build the digester deep under the ground, heat it up, and there, no problems.

By undrground you mean under ice?
We won't be able to reach the ground
It's several kilometers deep
If we do it on the no ice areas as you say, we will get
trapped when the winter comes

[kuroman]

lol, I'm the original poster, how can you tell me what was my mission?

Maybe I misinterpreted something but reading this

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

Then reading the Island thread which is talking about an independent country or are where bitcoin will be the currency of choice.

but if it is not the case, let me ask something why anyone would go trough the hassle to get somewhere unclaimed to produce bitcoin? there is no country in the world that prevents you for doing so, I fail to see the point -.- if it is to have an independant terrertory free to make dah bitcoin country

because of no taxes

you seem not to understand how much money you actually lose due to paying taxes

tax havens? many countries regions, don't tax bitcoin and don't taxes on properties and stuff like that

[Kiki112]

lol, I'm the original poster, how can you tell me what was my mission?

Maybe I misinterpreted something but reading this

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

Then reading the Island thread which is talking about an independent country or are where bitcoin will be the currency of choice.

but if it is not the case, let me ask something why anyone would go trough the hassle to get somewhere unclaimed to produce bitcoin? there is no country in the world that prevents you for doing so, I fail to see the point -.- if it is to have an independant terrertory free to make dah bitcoin country

because of no taxes

you seem not to understand how much money you actually lose due to paying taxes

tax havens? many countries regions, don't tax bitcoin and don't taxes on properties and stuff like that

We want absolutely no taxes and bitcoin as official currency

[kuroman]

Coastal area ? what coast are you speaking about you do understand that in winter the land scape changes completely with icecaps growing by hundred of miles and that the supposed cost area becomes hundreds if not thousands of miles away of the liquid water? so anything related to fishing or tyde energy is impossible not only you aren't answering the energy issue we are talking about here I have the feeling that you are really underestimating Antarctica (and why scientist are having a hard time there despite the millions of dollars budgets)
here you go :



Also when it comes to temperatures, McMurdo antarctic base which is coastal and located in one of the warmest if not the warmest area in Antarctica  the temperature can reach -50°C -60°C, the winter doesn't hit in one go, hence the mean temperature is as high as -28°C but that doesn't mean that there aren't days where the temperatures as low -60°C, as for winds blizzards and such, please, .... Antarctica is very windy place, since there aren't much mountains to block the wind(the continent mountains are under ice)

As for biogas.....let's discuss some facts so you know what you are talking about.....You need a 35°C in the digester to decompose waste into biogas.
Biogas is very hard to store as it is very hard to liquify but more importantly 50Cows, would produce the equivalent of 50L of fuel everyday, I don't know if you can put it in perspective, the amount of space and energy needed to give 50 cows a living environnement in Antartica would use more than those 50L of fuel per day I'm not even talking about feeding them (you can also use human waste and organic food waste but it's no where near what cows produce) so no biogas is not an option here. maybe you have other solution you didn't present yet so feel free to share

While you do have a point that the ice expands during the winters, but then, that just means that our fishing fleet will have to move further away from land. Pretty simple as well.
Wave power might be a problem in the winters, but we'd just have to compensate that with more wind power and biogas.

I can neither see the point that on that "some days it can go as low as -50°C to -60°C". The average temprature is mid winter −26°C. That's what we have to start from.
Thanks to all that wind we can get energy btw. The turbines could become covered in snow and ice during these blizzards, but when that happens we'd just have to go on our backup system with stored energy. When the blizzard is over we'd just have to remove the ice. The population needs to do something anyway.

Cows don't need very high temperatures, if we can keep the place on about 18°C it will work. And keeping something about 18°C under ground, especially with cows that themselves emit heat, is not that hard.
And then we'd just need to build the digester deep under the ground, heat it up, and there, no problems.

Good! you'll move the fleet you are just forgetting the thousand of KM of ice forming to get your fish from the edge of water to your station ? using trucks? not happening I'll tell you why with proof if you want to argue about this.

Wind power? your wind tubines won't last a day in the middle of winter it will be completely frozen!, your wave power infrastructure will be destroyed when winter comes (what does happen to water when it freeze? or let me simplify my question what does happen to full bottle of water if you put it in the freezer ?) Biogas, I'm telling you it's not an option I explained this with data, the only logical solution is to get and make huge fuel supply and resupply every summer

The average temperature in winter is around -26° in one of the hottest area there, right, but you build your station to cope with the worst situation or to cope with the average temperature? if you have 2 days of -60° what are you going to do? that's bad design and bad planing. You'll just remove ice? if only it was easy as that....you'll have ice all over the winter remember you have -26° degree average....

Cows can live just fine at 18°C I don't recall saying the opposite, but heating and keeping the temperature at 18 from -40 -30 -20°C is another story, I don't how you still believe that you can create a totally adiabatic isolated system, something if it was possible we would be doing for ages in our northen cities, cities in some of the richest countries in the world like Sweden or Norway, and countries like Canada or Russia where condition are no where as harsh as in  Antarctica and this is not the issue like I said if you want to create biogas, you need bacterial fermentation that beed 35°C.
And btw the only unclaimed area in south pole is this

Which is not as warm as the other areas and very harsh to reach and work on

Ground? what ground ? maybe you missed the part that in winter the ground is under meters dozens of meters in some areas the soil is hundrend of meters and kilometers deep and under ice as hard as rock?

[Kiki112]

Coastal area ? what coast are you speaking about you do understand that in winter the land scape changes completely with icecaps growing by hundred of miles and that the supposed cost area becomes hundreds if not thousands of miles away of the liquid water? so anything related to fishing or tyde energy is impossible not only you aren't answering the energy issue we are talking about here I have the feeling that you are really underestimating Antarctica (and why scientist are having a hard time there despite the millions of dollars budgets)
here you go :



Also when it comes to temperatures, McMurdo antarctic base which is coastal and located in one of the warmest if not the warmest area in Antarctica  the temperature can reach -50°C -60°C, the winter doesn't hit in one go, hence the mean temperature is as high as -28°C but that doesn't mean that there aren't days where the temperatures as low -60°C, as for winds blizzards and such, please, .... Antarctica is very windy place, since there aren't much mountains to block the wind(the continent mountains are under ice)

As for biogas.....let's discuss some facts so you know what you are talking about.....You need a 35°C in the digester to decompose waste into biogas.
Biogas is very hard to store as it is very hard to liquify but more importantly 50Cows, would produce the equivalent of 50L of fuel everyday, I don't know if you can put it in perspective, the amount of space and energy needed to give 50 cows a living environnement in Antartica would use more than those 50L of fuel per day I'm not even talking about feeding them (you can also use human waste and organic food waste but it's no where near what cows produce) so no biogas is not an option here. maybe you have other solution you didn't present yet so feel free to share

While you do have a point that the ice expands during the winters, but then, that just means that our fishing fleet will have to move further away from land. Pretty simple as well.
Wave power might be a problem in the winters, but we'd just have to compensate that with more wind power and biogas.

I can neither see the point that on that "some days it can go as low as -50°C to -60°C". The average temprature is mid winter −26°C. That's what we have to start from.
Thanks to all that wind we can get energy btw. The turbines could become covered in snow and ice during these blizzards, but when that happens we'd just have to go on our backup system with stored energy. When the blizzard is over we'd just have to remove the ice. The population needs to do something anyway.

Cows don't need very high temperatures, if we can keep the place on about 18°C it will work. And keeping something about 18°C under ground, especially with cows that themselves emit heat, is not that hard.
And then we'd just need to build the digester deep under the ground, heat it up, and there, no problems.

Good! you'll move the fleet you are just forgetting the thousand of KM of ice forming to get your fish from the edge of water to your station ? using trucks? not happening I'll tell you why with proof if you want to argue about this.

Wind power? your wind tubines won't last a day in the middle of winter it will be completely frozen!, your wave power infrastructure will be destroyed when winter comes (what does happen to water when it freeze? or let me simplify my question what does happen to full bottle of water if you put it in the freezer ?) Biogas, I'm telling you it's not an option I explained this with data, the only logical solution is to get and make huge fuel supply and resupply every summer

The average temperature in winter is around -26° in one of the hottest area there, right, but you build your station to cope with the worst situation or to cope with the average temperature? if you have 2 days of -60° what are you going to do? that's bad design and bad planing. You'll just remove ice? if only it was easy as that....you'll have ice all over the winter remember you have -26° degree average....

Cows can live just fine at 18°C I don't recall saying the opposite, but heating and keeping the temperature at 18 from -40 -30 -20°C is another story, I don't how you still believe that you can create a totally adiabatic isolated system, something if it was possible we would be doing for ages in our northen cities, cities in some of the richest countries in the world like Sweden or Norway, and countries like Canada or Russia where condition are no where as harsh as in  Antarctica and this is not the issue like I said if you want to create biogas, you need bacterial fermentation that beed 35°C.
And btw the only unclaimed area in south pole is this

Which is not as warm as the other areas and very harsh to reach and work on

Ground? what ground ? maybe you missed the part that in winter the ground is under meters dozens of meters in some areas the soil is hundrend of meters and kilometers deep and under ice as hard as rock?

I think he said we should go on the american part since soldiers are forbidden here they couldn't do anything about it

[kuroman]

lol, I'm the original poster, how can you tell me what was my mission?

Maybe I misinterpreted something but reading this

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

Then reading the Island thread which is talking about an independent country or are where bitcoin will be the currency of choice.

but if it is not the case, let me ask something why anyone would go trough the hassle to get somewhere unclaimed to produce bitcoin? there is no country in the world that prevents you for doing so, I fail to see the point -.- if it is to have an independent territory free to make dah bitcoin country

because of no taxes

you seem not to understand how much money you actually lose due to paying taxes

tax havens? many countries regions, don't tax bitcoin and don't taxes on properties and stuff like that

We want absolutely no taxes and bitcoin as official currency

Horray ! so we agree that this is the whole point here right ! but you said no -.-

[kuroman]

I think he said we should go on the american part since soldiers are forbidden here they couldn't do anything about it

Army is forbidden on Antarctica, doesn't mean the US will let you do whatever you want there and won't bring the right people to get you of there, not to mention that the American is legally under US juridiction and US laws apply there or did I miss something here

[Kiki112]

lol, I'm the original poster, how can you tell me what was my mission?

Maybe I misinterpreted something but reading this

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

Then reading the Island thread which is talking about an independent country or are where bitcoin will be the currency of choice.

but if it is not the case, let me ask something why anyone would go trough the hassle to get somewhere unclaimed to produce bitcoin? there is no country in the world that prevents you for doing so, I fail to see the point -.- if it is to have an independent territory free to make dah bitcoin country

because of no taxes

you seem not to understand how much money you actually lose due to paying taxes

tax havens? many countries regions, don't tax bitcoin and don't taxes on properties and stuff like that

We want absolutely no taxes and bitcoin as official currency

Horray ! so we agree that this is the whole point here right ! but you said no -.-

when did I say no?

I think he said we should go on the american part since soldiers are forbidden here they couldn't do anything about it

Army is forbidden on Antarctica, doesn't mean the US will let you do whatever you want there and won't bring the right people to get of there, not to mention that the American is legally under US juridiction and US laws apply there or did I miss something here

tell it to lepirate, he's the one supporting the theory

[kuroman]

lol, I'm the original poster, how can you tell me what was my mission?

Maybe I misinterpreted something but reading this

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

Then reading the Island thread which is talking about an independent country or are where bitcoin will be the currency of choice.

but if it is not the case, let me ask something why anyone would go trough the hassle to get somewhere unclaimed to produce bitcoin? there is no country in the world that prevents you for doing so, I fail to see the point -.- if it is to have an independent territory free to make dah bitcoin country

because of no taxes

you seem not to understand how much money you actually lose due to paying taxes

tax havens? many countries regions, don't tax bitcoin and don't taxes on properties and stuff like that

We want absolutely no taxes and bitcoin as official currency

Horray ! so we agree that this is the whole point here right ! but you said no -.-

when did I say no?

hmm

no it's not only bitcoin, is own country on which you can have your legislation, where bitcoin will be the currency of choice I suppose ^^

lol, I'm the original poster, how can you tell me what was my mission?

lol -.-

[bryant.coleman]

The Sudanese won't risk war for a bunch of sand

May be you could make that sure by bribing them. The problem is you need at least one of the neighbors to be in friendly terms. There is no sea coast. So you will have to depend on the two neighbors to get all the stuff you need.

[Kiki112]

lol, I'm the original poster, how can you tell me what was my mission?

Maybe I misinterpreted something but reading this

So I'v seen a few threads about building a bitcoin island

But the only territory that is unclaimed except for Antartica territories is Bir Tawil

It's basically sand, nothing else

Then reading the Island thread which is talking about an independent country or are where bitcoin will be the currency of choice.

but if it is not the case, let me ask something why anyone would go trough the hassle to get somewhere unclaimed to produce bitcoin? there is no country in the world that prevents you for doing so, I fail to see the point -.- if it is to have an independent territory free to make dah bitcoin country

because of no taxes

you seem not to understand how much money you actually lose due to paying taxes

tax havens? many countries regions, don't tax bitcoin and don't taxes on properties and stuff like that

We want absolutely no taxes and bitcoin as official currency

Horray ! so we agree that this is the whole point here right ! but you said no -.-

when did I say no?

hmm

no it's not only bitcoin, is own country on which you can have your legislation, where bitcoin will be the currency of choice I suppose ^^

lol, I'm the original poster, how can you tell me what was my mission?

lol -.-

bitcoin of course but not only bitcoin

[kuroman]

bitcoin of course but not only bitcoin

lol okey you agree then ^.^ so Island in international waters?