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January 09, 2012, 03:05:44 PM
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As a spinoff of the "A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for love" thread, I'm asking this question...

Should a Jewish owner of an eatery in NYC be forced by governments to serve a hungry neo-nazi skinhead, if he has the money?

How say you FlipPro?

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January 09, 2012, 03:10:09 PM
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yes? what are you trying to prove here, that FlipPro has double3 standards or something?
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January 09, 2012, 03:11:24 PM
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"but seriously guys, REVERSE RACISM is a real problem, won't someone think of the oppressed white men who just want to keep those mischievous negroes out of their restaurants?"
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January 09, 2012, 03:29:35 PM
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I'm trying to highlight the details.  RP was opposed to the singular clause in the Civil Rights Act that would force this Jewish shop owner to serve a person who hates his family, simply because the hater could (correctly) claim that it was racial discrimination at his expense.  It's not like a neo-nazi in NYC can't find another place to get a meal within two blocks, such shops are everywhere.  It may not have been a practical objection at the time, but RP was right that it would eventually become an issue.  Any shop owner that put up a sign that prohibited black people from entering that store would be on the news within a day, in the modern era, and be under a boycott that would (rightously) destroy his business within a week.  No federal force required.  RP's analysis of the situation is historicly correct, the reason that Jim Crow laws persisted for 100 years after the end of the civil war was due to racism among government agents.

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January 09, 2012, 03:31:45 PM
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its up to the jewish guy! his food, he decides who he wants to sell it to, and to which price.

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January 09, 2012, 03:38:19 PM
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its up to the jewish guy! his food, he decides who he wants to sell it to, and to which price.

Or whether or not to s[p|h]it in it.

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January 09, 2012, 04:12:04 PM
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its up to the jewish guy! his food, he decides who he wants to sell it to, and to which price.

Or whether or not to s[p|h]it in it.
no, not unless its a part of the recipe.

if i was the jewish guy, i would sell the nazi some food. and take his money.

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January 09, 2012, 04:29:36 PM
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its up to the jewish guy! his food, he decides who he wants to sell it to, and to which price.

And that is the point.  According to the Civil Rights Act, it's not up to him to decide.  He must serve anyone who enters into his 'public' establishment who has the money to pay, without regard to his race or appearances (excepting a lack of shoes and shirt).

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

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January 09, 2012, 06:08:43 PM
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Is there anyone here who disagrees with Ron Paul that Jim Crow laws were an example of state governments functioning outside the constitution?  Flippro?
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January 09, 2012, 06:17:45 PM
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its up to the jewish guy! his food, he decides who he wants to sell it to, and to which price.

Of course.

The power to force people to associate against their will is arbitrary, because the determination of when it is appropriate to do so is a completely separate affair. If you concede that someone has that power, then what's to stop them from exercising it when the criteria for "good associations" suddenly (or gradually) changes to something you don't like?

Bottom line: forcing peaceful adults to associate against their will is wrong.

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January 10, 2012, 05:35:35 AM
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I agree that racial relations should be an issue handled by individual people and not in any way influenced or handled by any governmental, corporational, educational, orgizational or other collection of people and merely the reality of which through word of mouth and other spreading of informations (e.g. reddit) the actions of all things (including efforts towards racial and other discriminations) the people can decide for themselves on how to proceed.

Everything has varying values even in terms of racial discrimination.  The context of which the racial discrimination occurred and the longevity and other factors and characteristics of the single event of racial discrimination would determine the level of response and effort pursued by people that felt worth and value in responding and propagating suggestive information to others on responding as well.  And through freedom of choice the people can decide with whom to listen to and either participate or not.  Sometimes there is misinformation that is not clearly recognized, but it isn't necessary to rely on a kind of governmental, coporational, educational, orgizational or other collection of people community to tell us what is and is not misinformation and allow them to handle situations for us through fines, imprisonment or other penalties.  We can penalize such people, businesses, corporations, educational facilities, organizations, governments quite well as individual people.

Resources for which events such as occurrences of racial discrimination can be reliably documented and searched for as part of determining which business to do business with would be useful.  There are tons of sites that offer reviews and ratings, but none which offer precise and specific types of informations or evaluations especially based on specific things, such as a list of racial discriminations, or a count of how many instances and the rating of each instance, perhaps an average rating, etc.

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January 10, 2012, 05:44:17 AM
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If the skinhead is not acting belligerent, yes, the Jewish guy can be required to serve him, as he has no reason beyond race to not serve him

If the guy is acting like an ass, or mistreating employees, he can be told to get the fuck out of the establishment
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January 10, 2012, 06:37:59 AM
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If the skinhead is not acting belligerent, yes, the Jewish guy can be required to serve him, as he has no reason beyond race to not serve him

If the guy is acting like an ass, or mistreating employees, he can be told to get the fuck out of the establishment

What if he was belligerent in the past? What if ten days ago, he was nasty and hateful to the owner but no one else saw it? Who would be in the best position to determine whether the man should be served: the owner, or a bunch of strangers who don't know either one?

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January 10, 2012, 07:17:39 PM
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If the skinhead is not acting belligerent, yes, the Jewish guy can be required to serve him, as he has no reason beyond race to not serve him

If the guy is acting like an ass, or mistreating employees, he can be told to get the fuck out of the establishment

What if he was belligerent in the past? What if ten days ago, he was nasty and hateful to the owner but no one else saw it? Who would be in the best position to determine whether the man should be served: the owner, or a bunch of strangers who don't know either one?

If he has been nasty in the past, the owner can call the police, have him removed from the premises, and a restraining order can be placed?

Do you guys EVER get off the computer? Like seriously...

Edit: Jesus Christ people on the Internet can't be this stupid -_-.

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January 10, 2012, 07:30:31 PM
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As a spinoff of the "A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for love" thread, I'm asking this question...

Should a Jewish owner of an eatery in NYC be forced by governments to serve a hungry neo-nazi skinhead, if he has the money?

How say you FlipPro?
I doubt the Jewish owner will even be @ the restaurant  Cheesy.

His workers will be the one serving him. And if they are not, I doubt the owner will give a shit what the customers personal beliefs are.

The owner is after one thing, MONEY.

Now if the Neo-Nazi is being nasty, that's a different story. Then the owner can simply call the police, and have him arrested... He isn't forced to serve "anyone".


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January 10, 2012, 08:16:02 PM
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Can a private business discriminate against people based on their political views?   

Private businesses do discriminate on many factors - for instance the "no shirt, no shoes, no service" policy.

So long as you aren't discriminating on race, veteran status, ethnicity, gender, (and in some places sexual orientation), age (in some cases), or disability - I think you are generally fine under the law.  So you can discriminate against short people (lots of amusement parks), people with blue eyes, etc.

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January 10, 2012, 08:18:32 PM
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It's important to note that one's race or sexual orientation are things that they have no control over, whereas one's membership in a violent racist group is the product of a conscious decision.

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January 10, 2012, 10:37:20 PM
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If the skinhead is not acting belligerent, yes, the Jewish guy can be required to serve him, as he has no reason beyond race to not serve him

If the guy is acting like an ass, or mistreating employees, he can be told to get the fuck out of the establishment

What if he was belligerent in the past? What if ten days ago, he was nasty and hateful to the owner but no one else saw it? Who would be in the best position to determine whether the man should be served: the owner, or a bunch of strangers who don't know either one?

If he has been nasty in the past, the owner can call the police, have him removed from the premises, and a restraining order can be placed?

Do you guys EVER get off the computer? Like seriously...

Edit: Jesus Christ people on the Internet can't be this stupid -_-.

You're not arguing the principle, dumbass

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January 10, 2012, 10:42:38 PM
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I'm confused... what about all of the signs that businesses post up that say "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason".  Couldn't the Jewish owner post a similar sign, and simply refuse service to the guy while pointing at it?
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January 10, 2012, 10:47:04 PM
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I'm confused... what about all of the signs that businesses post up that say "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason".  Couldn't the Jewish owner post a similar sign, and simply refuse service to the guy while pointing at it?

Should he have the right to post up that sign? That is the question and premise of this thread.

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