bitscalper anyone use this ? [PASSWORDS LEAKED]

[Crypt_Current]

I read this in the stickied Introduce yourself thread.

Always a reliable source of info

haha.

Like I said earlier, this is an obvious scam, very much in the style of mybitcoin.com.  The scammer (my GUESS, bruce wagner) probably noticed the popularity surge over at www.bitcoinica.com, and tried to make a scam that appeals to users of that site.

[mooseman99]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50 

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

[bittenbob]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50 

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

Hmmm sounds like an interesting bug. Maybe everyone should withdraw and see what happens/

[bitscalper]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50 

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

You got that money by mistake. There's probably another bug i did not catch. I'll look into this immediately.

[Mushoz]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50 

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

Hmmm sounds like an interesting bug. Maybe everyone should withdraw and see what happens/

I already emailed them about it. If they are legit, they should know. If they aren't, well then there's not much we can do anyway. They will win in the end, because they can just start refusing withdrawals.

To me this looks to good to be true, but I'm not going to call them anything without proof.

In the mean time, I'm playing around with some change on the site  

[Mushoz]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50 

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

You got that money by mistake. There's probably another bug i did not catch. I'll look into this immediately.

Kudos for the quick response! 

[bitscalper]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50 

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

Hmmm sounds like an interesting bug. Maybe everyone should withdraw and see what happens/

I already emailed them about it. If they are legit, they should know. If they aren't, well then there's not much we can do anyway. They will win in the end, because they can just start refusing withdrawals.

To me this looks to good to be true, but I'm not going to call them anything without proof.

In the mean time, I'm playing around with some change on the site  

We already found out the bug and fixed it. It should be working fine now.

[bitscalper]

(Sorry for doubleposting on both topics https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57406.0 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=57422.)

TL;DR: There are clear facts that Bitscalper is not what they try to tell us, I say scam!

Here are my findings:

I "joined" 10.01.2012 by sending 10BTC. By now I have 11.547BTC. 1% average per day. Doesnt sound impossible to do, huh?

1) I sent 10 BTC https://blockexplorer.com/address/14PAmBAdgjpuPgNi7jYZuUsQpAuxZoeMHv, but they didnt move at all since five days! So they are giving me 1.55 BTC just for nothing? If they dont need my funds to speculate and make 1% a day, why do they pay me that 1%?
Thats a KO for me.

For completeness, here come other, more indicative clues:

2) The user "bitscalper" is new on Bitcointalk. Noone creates such a project without having been seen on the forums before! Let me guess, "oh, our country is so dangerous, we dont want SWAT to kick in our doors". You are at such high risk that you never even mentioned the country's name?

3) The counter "all scalped BTC" and my personal stats get updated a few times a day, but then in pretty large increments. Often these two numbers dont change at the same time. You want to tell me you can dump almost 3k BTC on different, i.e. small exchanges, to take advantage of a few percent arbitrage, without totally flooding that small exchange, and make a few percent gain even after fees? And furthermore, you do this one, two, three times a day, and not several hundred times a day?

4) I won't even begin with the more subtle, but still obvious signs like never stating any surname, not even in mails, using buzzwords whereever possible, seeming to be oh-so open, pleased, grateful for any input, which will make its way to the page quickly. I recognize this "Yes, yes, thank you!" style from the bazaar, immediately before paying three times the regular price.


All in all: If it seems too good to be true, it mostly is. To compare with the Aricie bot (3% loss, then a max of 3‰ plus) and my own trading (a fat loss), this is too obvious too good. I pull out nao.


Lets collect some data, shall we? And to put this in perspective: They received 2814+ BTC by now.


Receiving adress from Bitscalper:                                  Amount:
14PAmBAdgjpuPgNi7jYZuUsQpAuxZoeMHv                 10 BTC

We move bitcoins from the main wallet, not the user`s sub-wallets. That's why you don't get to see transfers from there.

[bittenbob]

But others said they saw coins move from their sub wallets, im confused.

[Mushoz]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50 

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

Hmmm sounds like an interesting bug. Maybe everyone should withdraw and see what happens/

I already emailed them about it. If they are legit, they should know. If they aren't, well then there's not much we can do anyway. They will win in the end, because they can just start refusing withdrawals.

To me this looks to good to be true, but I'm not going to call them anything without proof.

In the mean time, I'm playing around with some change on the site  

We already found out the bug and fixed it. It should be working fine now.

I received a response really quickly, and they even offered me a donation for reporting the bug! Great customer service !

[bitscalper]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50 

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

Please send back the coins or we will terminate your account. this kind of activity is not tolerated. this is a beta, not a cash cow for you to exploit.
Address to send back the coins : 145rhGP2X5x5bwszqhDgHAnkt55yc7fBAj

[antoineph]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50  

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

Please send back the coins or we will terminate your account. this kind of activity is not tolerated. this is a beta, not a cash cow for you to exploit.
Address to send back the coins : 145rhGP2X5x5bwszqhDgHAnkt55yc7fBAj

hahah. Go home scammer.

translation: the "bug" is a ruse to get more people to deposit their monies.

[bitscalper]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50  

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

Please send back the coins or we will terminate your account. this kind of activity is not tolerated. this is a beta, not a cash cow for you to exploit.
Address to send back the coins : 145rhGP2X5x5bwszqhDgHAnkt55yc7fBAj

hahah. Go home scammer.

translation: the "bug" is a ruse to get more people to deposit their monies.

As for now, the scammer is YOU, who exploited a bug for a couple coins. Bravo, well done.

[bittenbob]

Your sites programming had the bug so Im afraid you will have to deal with it. That is part of the risk of running this type of service.

[Crypt_Current]

Your sites programming had the bug so Im afraid you will have to deal with it. That is part of the risk of running this type of service.

+1

Zhou has even had his fare share of bugs and problems, but nothing that ever affected me adversely, and he ASFAIK never asked any of his customers to pay back money that HE erroneously gave to them -- bad "business", this bitscalping.

[the joint]

Isn't this similar to that one guy/exchange who accidentally sent 500 1-BTC payments to someone he didn't mean to send them to?

I'm pretty sure the community was on the side of the guy/exchange in that event.

I wasn't, but I recall the community at large was. 

Interesting psychology unfolding.

[ineededausername]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50  

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

Please send back the coins or we will terminate your account. this kind of activity is not tolerated. this is a beta, not a cash cow for you to exploit.
Address to send back the coins : 145rhGP2X5x5bwszqhDgHAnkt55yc7fBAj

hahah. Go home scammer.

translation: the "bug" is a ruse to get more people to deposit their monies.

As for now, the scammer is YOU, who exploited a bug for a couple coins. Bravo, well done.

you of all people are calling people scammers? ...

[Mushroomized]

I was going to toss a coin in there just to check it out, but now I probably won't

[bittenbob]

I was going to toss a coin in there just to check it out, but now I probably won't

I considered it too but also will not now. Like someone said, this is bad customer service. You could have politely asked for the coins and that would have been ok but since you demanded them and called him a scammer that is just inappropriate. I think an apology might be in order.

[mooseman99]

Well I got out my 150 BTC with a profit of 7 BTC (10 - 3 for withdrawal)
Can't complain about a free $50 

still making money too, either the site is bugged and the guy's losing money or some sort of ponzi thing is still going on

Please send back the coins or we will terminate your account. this kind of activity is not tolerated. this is a beta, not a cash cow for you to exploit.
Address to send back the coins : 145rhGP2X5x5bwszqhDgHAnkt55yc7fBAj

The extra money i made is still in my account... It's only 1 BTC
I was just surprised that I made 1BTC after I withdrew my money, but it might have been residual earnings.