Why is the moderation so lame?

[bcmine]

Asking myself why the moderation of threads not really works?

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[railzand]

eg?

[coinnewbit]

Asking myself why the moderation of threads not really works?

What are you trying to say here? That the moderators are bad/biased? I feel that they're alright.

[OnkelPaul]

I'm pretty ok with a moderation that just removes blatant spam and does not take sides otherwise.
People have to learn how to spot scammers, so I don't think that mods should remove them.

Onkel Paul

[Sonny]

IMHO, the mods are doing their jobs pretty well.

Asking myself why the moderation of threads not really works?

Care to elaborate a bit?

[EFS]

You don't even have a single report.

[mikemikemike]

You don't even have a single report.

he can't defend the accusations against his business so he wants you to it for him.

please see this post and below.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522623.msg6227485#msg6227485

my language has been slightly colourful on occasion but you will understand why if you read the above.

he has been posting in every thread i have posted in and trying to defame my character, posting snippets from other posts to make me look bad. he has no intention of being in these posts apart from to defame me. no joke, he specifically went through my post history to do this, and has specifically targeted me across the forum. if this sort of harassment isn't reason enough to be warned or banned i don't know what is.

every claim he is going to make he has done ten times worse. please be very careful believing what he says.

[tysat]

...6) or talk some serious shit about the Green Bay Packers!


~BCX~

lol... I've only seen that done a couple of times

[jolipenria]

If you want to test the lameness of the moderators try to post any spam

[Lauda]

I think that he's trying to say that self moderated threads are lame, right?

[DiamondCardz]

Moderation is...so-so. Bitcointalk has some very strong points with it's moderation policies but it also has some very weak points.

[Lauda]

Moderation is...so-so. Bitcointalk has some very strong points with it's moderation policies but it also has some very weak points.

Care to bring some up?
I'm curious on what you have in mind exactly.

[DiamondCardz]

Well the most classic point which comes off the top of my head is that while the mod team doesn't do too much - which is good, they aren't clawing up your leg every 5 minutes - they in some cases don't do enough. mprep is a good example of someone who does a good job, getting rid of ref spam, etc, but scams are allowed to run wild in other sections when there could be measures simply put in place which would reduce the amount of scams significantly. I guess it's more of an administrative issue than a moderation issue, but it's still there.

[koshgel]

They are pretty decent at removing spam I guess.

Would be good to see some autonomy and decision making for themselves but always have to get approval or permission from theymos which hinders smooth, efficient moderation

[Vod]

I see spam everywhere and a handfull of Mods can't tackle hundred or thousands of spam posts effectively. 

Absolutely they can!  One just needs to use the "Report to Moderator" link at the bottom right of each post when they see spam.

Non-coincidently, the number of reports you make is one metric Theymos uses to promote new moderators. 

[tysat]

They are pretty decent at removing spam I guess.

Would be good to see some autonomy and decision making for themselves but always have to get approval or permission from theymos which hinders smooth, efficient moderation

Actually mods have a fair amount of autonomy on anything related to posts.  Though temp bans have to be run up the chain.

[Lauda]

They are pretty decent at removing spam I guess.

Would be good to see some autonomy and decision making for themselves but always have to get approval or permission from theymos which hinders smooth, efficient moderation

Actually mods have a fair amount of autonomy on anything related to posts.  Though temp bans have to be run up the chain.

That shouldn't be necessary for temporary bans which aren't even that long.

[BadBear]

It's more a limitation of SMF, not an arbitrary decision.

[bigcactus]

It's more a limitation of SMF, not an arbitrary decision.

They are pretty decent at removing spam I guess.

Would be good to see some autonomy and decision making for themselves but always have to get approval or permission from theymos which hinders smooth, efficient moderation

Actually mods have a fair amount of autonomy on anything related to posts.  Though temp bans have to be run up the chain.

I asked mikemikemike stopping for trolling in our thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522623.msg6172302#msg6172302

He just continued

I asked mods to make something against posts in our threads which are offensive. So mikemikemike called my p.e. 'little piece of shit' over and over again. He said, 'will destroy your project and kill you'. I asked mods for removing or stopping mikemikemike to write in our thread, no answer.

Not acting on:


'you little piece of shit' (not just once but all over again in almost every post)


'will destroy your project and kill you' (its still in the petamine thread)


and summary:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577093.msg6299719#msg6299719

by not banning user is weird.


User is still offending us, just today, by offending other user to be bcmine.

BCMINE, its nice to see you have another account!

The thing about his serious posts is that he is lieying all around. Pointing on him about, that he is lieying, he is editing his previous posts and saying that you are lieying. So there is no way of talking with him seriously, even he is saying he is serious about something.

I asked him 4 times friendly to stop posting in my thread, in a friendly way, over 4 days. He did not stopp. offensive language, barely arguments. he just want to knock you down.  offensive and personaly attacking all the time and saying i have to defense myself with argument. Such a discussion is not possible.


The only possibility we found was to go away from bitcointalk.org, because of public relations, which are more harming as helping us here. Anyway, decission was made. Fullstop about that.

[BadBear]

Being offensive isn't against the rules.  

And dude, you're starting an IPO, you're going to have detractors, some won't be very nice about it. Reacting the way you are is just suspicious as hell. But yes leaving is probably your best option, you need to develop some thicker skin.

[mikemikemike]

'will destroy your project and kill you' (its still in the petamine thread)

your a liar and a cheat. if you can write a link to the above where i wrote this i will leave the forum right now. but you can't, because your making it up. i would never threaten someones life over the internet. i did threaten to destroy your project and i did, but i only had to state the facts, and there is nothing wrong with that. it is an obvious fraud. i have said before all you have to do is verify your stock on cryptostocks and i will give you the benifit of the doubt, but you wont because then you will be accountable to your investors.

this shows exactly why i have issues with you. you trolled a thread non-stop and then setup a 'hedge fund' which is a clear fraud. i have called you out on it profusely and you have never once been able to come back with a reasonable response. now you attack my character instead of just answering simple accusations.

you've even started a new account to hide your previous behaviour.

I can see where darkstone2 is coming from with my choice of language, but you are the scum i make you out to be. i use that word carefully. i honestly hate people like you.

if i get banned then fine. its not like i dont travel the world doing this for a living. im leaving the UK in the next week or two and ill just create a new account with a new IP, And until then ill just use another network. i hope it doesn't come to that but if it does im not going to lose any sleep. i would be willing to make changes to how i speak to people on this forum but not you.

people like you are whats wrong with this forum, if it wasn't for you none of this would be happening. but you brought this on yourself by trying to destroy a legitimate project with FUD just so you could buy some cheaper shares. and then creating a project that is so obviously illegitimate its actually amusing.

[Darkstone2]

i would never threaten someones life over the internet.

Danny, please release the usernames/contact details of the people who threatened your daughter, its only fair that the witch-hunt is now directed at them.

Guilty as charged.

[mikemikemike]

i would never threaten someones life over the internet.

Danny, please release the usernames/contact details of the people who threatened your daughter, its only fair that the witch-hunt is now directed at them.

Guilty as charged.

i stand by that. you don't threaten someones daughter and a witch-hunt is completely different from threatening someones life, you are manipulating what i am saying and taking it out of context, it just shows the lengths you both are going to to do this.

and Darkstone2, however much you want me banned, it will never take away from the fact your an idiot. You should know this just as well as i do.

im not responding to these posts anymore, i will happily speak to the mods about my behaviour but im not answering to either one of you.

you have no idea what you are doing and i've called you both out on it many of times. enjoy your life.

[DiamondCardz]

This is a thread about bitcointalk moderation, not a thread where you can take turns hurling insults at eachother.

[Lauda]

Being offensive isn't against the rules.  

And dude, you're starting an IPO, you're going to have detractors, some won't be very nice about it. Reacting the way you are is just suspicious as hell. But yes leaving is probably your best option, you need to develop some thicker skin.

This is one of the weak points of the moderation.
Yeah being offensive is not against the rules, but there needs to be a limit. Being a little offensive okay, but attacking one multiple times in a thread is definitely not okay.

[Darkstone2]

And yes i am indeed complaining about your use of language. You say that:

your a liar and a cheat. if you can write a link to the above where i wrote this i will leave the forum right now. but you can't, because your making it up. i would never threaten someones life over the internet. i did threaten to destroy your project and i did, but i only had to state the facts, and there is nothing wrong with that. it is an obvious fraud. i have said before all you have to do is verify your stock on cryptostocks and i will give you the benifit of the doubt, but you wont because then you will be accountable to your investors.

Good. Facts of an obvious fraud. Here is the problem:

I have never seen you give any facts of any matter whatsoever.
If it really was an obvious scam, giving the facts should suffice.
You complain about attacking your character, yet seem to have no problems issuing personal attacks on your own. As seen by numerous occurrences of 'idiot' and 'troll' in your posts.

[BadBear]

Being offensive isn't against the rules.  

And dude, you're starting an IPO, you're going to have detractors, some won't be very nice about it. Reacting the way you are is just suspicious as hell. But yes leaving is probably your best option, you need to develop some thicker skin.

This is one of the weak points of the moderation.
Yeah being offensive is not against the rules, but there needs to be a limit. Being a little offensive okay, but attacking one multiple times in a thread is definitely not okay.

There is a limit. Personal attacks would fall under off topic, the offensive part isn't the problem.

[Lauda]

There is a limit. Personal attacks would fall under off topic, the offensive part isn't the problem.

Being offensive toward a mod is though?

[BadBear]

There is a limit. Personal attacks would fall under off topic, the offensive part isn't the problem.

Being offensive toward a mod is though?

No.

[DiamondCardz]

I'm pretty sure if you posted an entire post along the lines of "I'm going to find your family and murder them" with a lot more f bombs etc. that the moderation team wouldn't sit there and do nothing about it. To be honest businesses, ventures, IPOs, etc. are going to be insulted. The moderation team has problems, but that isn't one.

[Darkstone2]

It is. It is almost impossible to discuss anything in the securities forum because of the constant insults being thrown around.

Yet MPOE-PR was banned more of less because he/she insulted one mod..

[Lauda]

No.

So if I start being offensive toward you (not going to happen), I wouldn't get banned?

[EFS]

So if I start being offensive toward you (not going to happen), I wouldn't get banned?

Yes.

[dogechode]

I dunno I think the moderation on here is pretty damned spot-on. I love that the mods are all over your case every 20 seconds like on some forums and they allow adult discussions, topics, language, etc. Frankly I think they try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I don't need or want the mods to be fighting everyone's battles for them.

[Lauda]

So if I start being offensive toward you (not going to happen), I wouldn't get banned?

Yes.

Yet MPOE-PR was banned more of less because he/she insulted one mod..

What's up with that?

[Chemistry1988]

Yet MPOE-PR was banned more of less because he/she insulted one mod..

What's up with that?

You can find it here.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=552981.msg6027033#msg6027033

Old members shouldn't get preferential treatment if they break the rules. No one would be complaining if a new member got banned for swearing at a moderator. Sometimes people need to be made an example of in order to keep others in check.

You don't get banned for swearing at a moderator. MPOE-PR was asked to stop spamming/trolling by Maged, and rather than stopping, she swore at him. The act of insulting Maged itself didn't get her banned, it was the warning, and then lack of acknowledgement of the warning that got the ban.

Oh, the warning was acknowledged, all right. She specifically quoted my warning in her "fuck you" reply. That reply was off-topic and was extremely likely to result in additional off-topic posts from other users. Had she posted that message in the correct location, she would have been fine. This is also why TAT wasn't banned: you can insult us and complain all you want in Meta, since doing so is often on-topic.

Beyond the reasons you mentioned for the ban, there are some more:
1) I've deleted many of MPOE-PR's posts in the past, throughout many threads.
2) MPOE-PR has an orange ignore button.

Alone, none of these things would result in a ban. You can only get banned if you put them all together.

And yet Inaba can slander and defame people up and down the forums for years and nothing is done? Funny.

Slandering and defaming people in a thread about a company of which you are an employee is often on-topic because it reveals the true character of the company. If we removed those posts, there would be a much better argument for claiming that we support scammers.

[Lauda]

Yet MPOE-PR was banned more of less because he/she insulted one mod..

What's up with that?

You can find it here.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=552981.msg6027033#msg6027033

Old members shouldn't get preferential treatment if they break the rules. No one would be complaining if a new member got banned for swearing at a moderator. Sometimes people need to be made an example of in order to keep others in check.

You don't get banned for swearing at a moderator. MPOE-PR was asked to stop spamming/trolling by Maged, and rather than stopping, she swore at him. The act of insulting Maged itself didn't get her banned, it was the warning, and then lack of acknowledgement of the warning that got the ban.

Oh, the warning was acknowledged, all right. She specifically quoted my warning in her "fuck you" reply. That reply was off-topic and was extremely likely to result in additional off-topic posts from other users. Had she posted that message in the correct location, she would have been fine. This is also why TAT wasn't banned: you can insult us and complain all you want in Meta, since doing so is often on-topic.

Beyond the reasons you mentioned for the ban, there are some more:
1) I've deleted many of MPOE-PR's posts in the past, throughout many threads.
2) MPOE-PR has an orange ignore button.

Alone, none of these things would result in a ban. You can only get banned if you put them all together.

And yet Inaba can slander and defame people up and down the forums for years and nothing is done? Funny.

Slandering and defaming people in a thread about a company of which you are an employee is often on-topic because it reveals the true character of the company. If we removed those posts, there would be a much better argument for claiming that we support scammers.

Okay thank you for presenting me with the right post(s). The case of MPOE-PR was different, and I do agree that the ban was deserved.
How long did he/she get banned?

[SaltySpitoon]

It is. It is almost impossible to discuss anything in the securities forum because of the constant insults being thrown around.

Yet MPOE-PR was banned more of less because he/she insulted one mod..

No, not at all, MPOE-PR was banned for receiving a formal warning to stop spamming, and then insulting Maged in response. You don't get banned for insulting mods, just like how mods are allowed to insult members. Its a two way thing. You can however get banned for disregarding a warning.

Inaba yells and insults everyone, but they are also yelling and insulting him. You can get banned for excessive personal attacks, however in Inaba's case people attack him and he attacks them back. I'd call that an argument.

[DiamondCardz]

I don't think enough people are aware of the Ignore feature, to be honest - that is one solution to these problems.

[Darkstone2]

No, not at all, MPOE-PR was banned for receiving a formal warning to stop spamming, and then insulting Maged in response. You don't get banned for insulting mods, just like how mods are allowed to insult members. Its a two way thing. You can however get banned for disregarding a warning.

MPOE received a warning for spamming? I can certainly understand the response he gave then. MPOE was many things, but a spammer is not one of them. MPOE's average post contained more substance than 99% of posts on the forum here.

Inaba yells and insults everyone, but they are also yelling and insulting him. You can get banned for excessive personal attacks, however in Inaba's case people attack him and he attacks them back. I'd call that an argument.

I'd call that a good argument to ban both of them for turning this forum into hell. You're driving away all experienced users with that attitude.

I don't think enough people are aware of the Ignore feature, to be honest - that is one solution to these problems.

The ignore feature solves no problems at all. If i start spreading a load of lies and bullshit designed to defame Obama and Obama chooses to ignore that, it's reputation is still damaged. If i start spreading a load of crap in BCmine's topic and BCmine chooses to hit the ignore button, it still has effect on the reputation of its business.

[Chemistry1988]

Okay thank you for presenting me with the right post(s).

No problem.

How long did he/she get banned?

You can find that in the title of that thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=552981.0).
Time to have a cup of coffee? 

[Lauda]

How long did he/she get banned?

You can find that in the title of that thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=552981.0).
Time to have a cup of coffee? 

Oh how did I miss that. Sorry, too much night work over the weekend.

[KileZmaj]

because they are egocentric,vengeful, and only care about themselves

[Lauda]

because they are egocentric,vengeful, and only care about themselves

Stop raging around the forums because of your well deserved ban. It will not get it lifted.

[KileZmaj]

because they are egocentric,vengeful, and only care about themselves

Stop raging around the forums because of your well deserved ban. It will not get it lifted.

I know since the beginning it won't get lifted, they will ban this account too

[Lauda]

because they are egocentric,vengeful, and only care about themselves

Stop raging around the forums because of your well deserved ban. It will not get it lifted.

I know since the beginning it won't get lifted, they will ban this account too

Then what is the point of posting again?
You're wasting your own and, what is more important, their time.

[dogechode]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but if someone gets banned and then creates another account to post about how they got banned, does that account not get banned as well? Is it just the loss (temporary, assuming it's not a perm-ban) of member status and associated privileges that is the punishment?

[Lauda]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but if someone gets banned and then creates another account to post about how they got banned, does that account not get banned as well? Is it just the loss (temporary, assuming it's not a perm-ban) of member status and associated privileges that is the punishment?

You get warned that you're ban evading. If you continue posting on another account while you're supposed to be banned (after the warning), that account gets banned as well. This could possibly result in your ban being extended.

[KileZmaj]

because they are egocentric,vengeful, and only care about themselves

Stop raging around the forums because of your well deserved ban. It will not get it lifted.

I know since the beginning it won't get lifted, they will ban this account too

Then what is the point of posting again?
You're wasting your own and, what is more important, their time.

you haven't read my last replies in the thread I started..

that is what grinds my gears when some are allowed to do something while others aren't

even in RL I got kicked out of class multiple times when some students were treated differently then others, my classteacher hated me because I was the only one who stood up to her
altough she treated me better then others before that, I didn't want other students to suffer, I hate inequality, especially from superiors

I was never afraid of consequences when justice was at stake

altough I almost never got the justice I had to do it just to show I wasn't going to take it peacefully..

[dogechode]

you haven't read my last replies in the thread I started..

that is what grinds my gears when some are allowed to do something while others aren't

even in RL I got kicked out of class multiple times when some students were treated differently then others, my classteacher hated me because I was the only one who stood up to her
altough she treated me better then others before that, I didn't want other students to suffer, I hate inequality, especially from superiors

I was never afraid of consequences when justice was at stake

altough I almost never got the justice I had to do it just to show I wasn't going to take it peacefully..

To be honest, you sound like an immature person with an authority problem. There's a difference between standing up to an actual injustice as opposed to just being obnoxious and having a "no-one-can-tell-ME-what-to-do" attitude.

This forum is free for you to use, all you have to do is follow the rules that the owners have established...