[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[tacotime]

We have published an official solution, which is in testing.

https://github.com/rfree2monero/bitmonero/commit/8f17999a87f4f1025e46cc940900a7bdea9747ce

[drawingthesun]

W h a t   a   g r o s s   i r o n y that the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing (and therefore the most potential #2 coin in the months and years to come) happens to be a coin with an unbelievably messy codebase, intentionally made scammy, buggy, unoptimized, crippled and obfuscated by the (B)CN scamdevs.

XMR is not the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing. There are other people(myself included) who have gone to great lengths to attempt to create the fairest possible initial distribution for a cryptocurrency.

The XMR distribution obviously had some minor issues which don't need to be brought up again. And I'm not here to say anything negative about XMR in anyway(in fact while I'm here, congrats devs on handling this attack well) but it's probably best just to stick to facts.

You mean dga? I thought he sold most of his mined coins as he mined making it not a distribution problem.

[Hotmetal]

Could someone explain this to me:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=632595.msg8673348#msg8673348

duckNote is not vulnerable for double spend attack, because XDN do not have any blockchain split, but Monero has it for more than 10 hours, that is why:
Monero is still vulnerable for double spend attack! 

[Nekomata]

XMR is the future.

[cAPSLOCK]

test https://mega.co.nz/#!rbggbrgbrgbrgbLINKTRASHEDBrbrgbrgbrgbgrjw win64 blockchain #203437 block

I am opposed to users taking this without a prior blessing from a core member.

No shit.  That is craziness.  DO  NOT DOWNLOAD THIS.

[jl777]

I guess the whole, it was around for 2 years but nobody ever knew anything about was pretty scammy and near impossible.

It was not around for two years. Read the thread.

Thank you for your support during our recent challenge and generally.

I think you both agree.  If you read his statement with some quote marks:

I guess the whole "it was around for two years but nobody ever knew anything" [thing] was pretty scammy and near impossible.

you're in violent accord.

yes, i meant this, the "it was around for 2 years but nobody ever knew anything about it"
this seems impossible in today's world
when I am tired, my english it becomes weaker

[smooth]

Could someone explain this to me:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=632595.msg8673348#msg8673348

duckNote is not vulnerable for double spend attack, because XDN do not have any blockchain split, but Monero has it for more than 10 hours, that is why:
Monero is still vulnerable for double spend attack! 

They are saying that because we got hacked and they didn't (I wonder why), even though they had the same exact vulnerability in their code that somehow we are vulnerable and they are not. You can't fix stupid.

[blaaaaacksuit]

XMR is trading again on poloniex.

[cAPSLOCK]

Wheeee bargain time.

[krawallmining]

Wheeee bargain time.

Where is it?

[omnik]

Is there any plan or info when are we going to have decent gui wallet for windows?
I really can't believe in 21st century I'm forced to use ms-dos.

[Nekomata]

XMR is the future.

[krawallmining]

Rather hope the fee issue gets sorted out soon.

[Este Nuno]

W h a t   a   g r o s s   i r o n y that the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing (and therefore the most potential #2 coin in the months and years to come) happens to be a coin with an unbelievably messy codebase, intentionally made scammy, buggy, unoptimized, crippled and obfuscated by the (B)CN scamdevs.

XMR is not the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing. There are other people(myself included) who have gone to great lengths to attempt to create the fairest possible initial distribution for a cryptocurrency.

Hah, contradiction already in the second line. Sorry to say but your logic has been going down since last year.  

There have been other currencies that have been launched with no premine, no instamine, no IPO, with development entirely funded by donations. And that didn't have a crippled hash function at launch.

Monero has had a relatively fair launch. But to make a claim as grand as you just did is quite strong. There are many other positive aspects of Monero that are based in fact and can be proudly trumped instead. One of which is the solid dev team that takes an honest approach to communication and doesn't sugar coat the issues. This is rare and exceptional in my opinion.

edit: attempt and succeed btw.

[blaaaaacksuit]

lol, i dont think were going lower than .0033.

[smooth]

W h a t   a   g r o s s   i r o n y that the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing (and therefore the most potential #2 coin in the months and years to come) happens to be a coin with an unbelievably messy codebase, intentionally made scammy, buggy, unoptimized, crippled and obfuscated by the (B)CN scamdevs.

XMR is not the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing. There are other people(myself included) who have gone to great lengths to attempt to create the fairest possible initial distribution for a cryptocurrency.

Hah, contradiction already in the second line. Sorry to say but your logic has been going down since last year. 

There have been other currencies that have been launched with no premine, no instamine, no IPO, with development entirely funded by donations. And that didn't have a crippled hash function at launch.

Monero has had a relatively fair launch. But to make a claim as grand as you just did is quite strong. There are many other positive aspects of Monero that are based in fact and can be proudly trumped instead. One of which is the solid dev team that takes an honest approach to communication and doesn't sugar coat the issues. This is rare and exceptional in my opinion.

I think what he probably meant was not only no premine, etc. but also a relatively huge amount of trading that redistributed the coins to people willing to pay a market price for them. And it is true. For a young altcoin the volume has been huge. So much so that the trolls accuse it of being "fake."

[jl777]

bter confirms they are unfreezing the XMR
not sure of how long it will take

[Este Nuno]

W h a t   a   g r o s s   i r o n y that the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing (and therefore the most potential #2 coin in the months and years to come) happens to be a coin with an unbelievably messy codebase, intentionally made scammy, buggy, unoptimized, crippled and obfuscated by the (B)CN scamdevs.

XMR is not the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing. There are other people(myself included) who have gone to great lengths to attempt to create the fairest possible initial distribution for a cryptocurrency.

Hah, contradiction already in the second line. Sorry to say but your logic has been going down since last year.  

There have been other currencies that have been launched with no premine, no instamine, no IPO, with development entirely funded by donations. And that didn't have a crippled hash function at launch.

Monero has had a relatively fair launch. But to make a claim as grand as you just did is quite strong. There are many other positive aspects of Monero that are based in fact and can be proudly trumped instead. One of which is the solid dev team that takes an honest approach to communication and doesn't sugar coat the issues. This is rare and exceptional in my opinion.

I think what he probably meant was not only no premine, etc. but also a relatively huge amount of trading that redistributed the coins to people willing to pay a market price for them. And it is true. For a young altcoin the volume has been huge. So much so that the trolls accuse it of being "fake."

Yes, if the volume is any indication of the quantity of individuals who trade XMR then I agree that the post-launch liquidity and availability has been excellent.

But if we evaluate distribution of a currency on the percent of the total supply held by individuals, I would be a bit more skeptical. (But wouldn't make any claims either way with no evidence)

[oda.krell]

Boolberry is now freaking suspicious, not only it has been pumped to top of polonix volume but the attack coincided with this.

No. No fucking way. Let's stop those insinuations right here!

There is no evidence that BBR has anything to do this, and you're doing XMR a huge disservice by implying this.

In addition, you completely lose the right to complain about anti-Monero FUD if you spread FUD yourself.

If you have any hard evidence, present it. If you don't, stop spreading FUD. It's really that simple.

While I agree with you, you must admit that the trolls and hacks have created an environment of suspicion, and it is natural that the anonymous dev, for whom there is in fact a fair body of circumstantial evidence of participation in the original cryptonote implementation, should attract that suspicion.  I'm hoping that CZ will dispell some of the FUD around BBR.  If people frankly voice their concerns, they may be dispelled more promptly.  You help by rightly observing there is a lack of material evidence for this specific suspicion, but the factors which allow suspicion to fester in the background remain, and getting them aired out may disinfect.

> but the factors which allow suspicion to fester in the background remain

Seems to be a CN thing then... It's not as if, to the outside observer, XMR looks immaculate (de-optimized initial mining, rather unintuitive emission curve if the goal is a broad adoption).

So, splinters, brother's eyes, etc. ... I'd rather we don't go there. If there's a valid question about the competition, let's raise it (and we do so plenty enough in here). But speculative accusations serve no purpose other than to create bad blood in something that could be, in the longer term, a collaborative effort.

[Nazdorovje]

W h a t   a   g r o s s   i r o n y that the most legitimate and economic initial distribution of any cryptocoin existing

Not surprising XMR gets attacked and will continue to be a target with such vitriol towards their own father that made their birth possible..
constantly referring to them as scamdevs and acting as if XMR is the immaculate conception