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January 29, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
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And, the choice between PPLNS and PPS has nothing at all to do with your own hashrate
I agree with everything but this. Ony in that you misquoted me. It was not pplns verse pps. It was Prop verse pps. And the reason for only really wanting to do it with atleast x amount of hash rate is just that for me the 'difficulty/luck gambling' is not worth it if I only have .1%(as example) of total hash power. Because on lucky rounds, which is what I'd be gambling for, my take would not be enough to make it worth the risk on long rounds.  I know the math formula does not change for having more hash rate but on extremely short rounds, the variance time in individual shares combined with a low hash rate adds up. I've tested it before hopping was cool.

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I referred to PPLNS because proportional is indefensible, and I wanted to give a comparison regarding the gambling aspect between two valid options.

There's no "the math formula". Different things have different formulas. You are entitled to wanting a gambling aspects to your mining, and you can have formulas for what your bet will look like. But based on your other posts I think you are confused about how your hashrate affects your mining prospects. In particular, note that if your hashrate is low, the chance that you will not submit any shares in a short round and thus miss out on a jackpot, is completely offset by the fact that you could find more shares than average in a short round and win an even bigger jackpot. There is no reduction in expected payout per share for having low hashrate, only higher variance (which you might consider good if you like gambling).

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January 29, 2012, 08:34:53 PM
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Almost 3.5 Million shares, and yet the block drags on.

YEAH OH YEAH, THE BLOCK GOES ON... Sorry, I couldn't resist.

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January 31, 2012, 03:07:00 AM
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And, the choice between PPLNS and PPS has nothing at all to do with your own hashrate
I agree with everything but this. Ony in that you misquoted me. It was not pplns verse pps. It was Prop verse pps. And the reason for only really wanting to do it with atleast x amount of hash rate is just that for me the 'difficulty/luck gambling' is not worth it if I only have .1%(as example) of total hash power. Because on lucky rounds, which is what I'd be gambling for, my take would not be enough to make it worth the risk on long rounds.  I know the math formula does not change for having more hash rate but on extremely short rounds, the variance time in individual shares combined with a low hash rate adds up. I've tested it before hopping was cool.

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I referred to PPLNS because proportional is indefensible, and I wanted to give a comparison regarding the gambling aspect between two valid options.

There's no "the math formula".

you are still misquoting me in order to make your point... I was refering to THE math formula that would be in affect for x hasrate on prop and nothing else.

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January 31, 2012, 05:37:15 AM
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you are still misquoting me in order to make your point... I was refering to THE math formula that would be in affect for x hasrate on prop and nothing else.
You are still falsely accusing me of things.

The formula for what? For expected reward? For variance? For the probability that you will get more than 5 BTC reward in a block? For when there are no hoppers? For when everyone else are hoppers?

I'll assume you meant "the formula for expected payout per share in a proportional pool when there are no hoppers". Yeah, this one doesn't change according to your hashrate. If you clarify what it is you want, we can find a formula for that.

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February 02, 2012, 01:21:10 AM
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So I dumped some hashes here, and the "top 30 lifetime shares" didn't change. It should have gone up a bit for my username.

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February 02, 2012, 01:32:18 AM
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I'm having an issue with lifetime shares and working on fixing them.  If you login your share total for the round is under the pool total. 
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February 03, 2012, 11:14:33 PM
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5:13pm Central.  Site may be down right now,  currently repairing lifetime share issue, and fixing some other stat problems.  Miners can resume mining as stats are still being logged.  Thanks.

6:50 pm Central.  Everything is back up and running.  Lifetime share are updating again.  Happy Mining. 

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February 08, 2012, 08:55:45 PM
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My apologies eckmar for some reason I thought your pool was proportional.  Thanks for the explanation.



Dude it is PPLNS, you will loose shares if you hop here, and why do you care about this pool?  aren't you mining at you own pool?  Or why would you when you are scamming you members?  Just create a proxy and hop, but tell your members, please.  Also, it doesn't seem like you know what you are doing so I would be very scared to trust you hopping for me? PM me and I will help you for a fee...
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February 08, 2012, 08:59:33 PM
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My apologies eckmar for some reason I thought your pool was proportional.  Thanks for the explanation.



Dude it is PPLNS, you will loose shares if you hop here, and why do you care about this pool?  aren't you mining at you own pool?  Or why would you when you are scamming you members?  Just create a proxy and hop, but tell your members, please.  Also, it doesn't seem like you know what you are doing so I would be very scared to trust you hopping for me? PM me and I will help you for a fee...

I did actually mine before I started my pool. 
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February 08, 2012, 09:08:15 PM
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My apologies eckmar for some reason I thought your pool was proportional.  Thanks for the explanation.



Dude it is PPLNS, you will loose shares if you hop here, and why do you care about this pool?  aren't you mining at you own pool?  Or why would you when you are scamming you members?  Just create a proxy and hop, but tell your members, please.  Also, it doesn't seem like you know what you are doing so I would be very scared to trust you hopping for me? PM me and I will help you for a fee...

I did actually mine before I started my pool.  

OK, I am not a hater.  Just been having a crabby day.  Find a block and we are cool again!

Fix this please http://www.a1bitcoinpool.com/api.php and show your share count, hash rate and round duration in JSON.  I'll do the rest...  
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February 09, 2012, 05:31:50 AM
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I have this problem with the front end: during 10 seconds it works fine, after that a single refresh takes like 2 minutes, than it works fine for 10 seconds, another lag of 2 minutes...
Does this happen to anyone else?

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February 09, 2012, 05:55:56 AM
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My server guys is going to take a look into this tommorrow. 
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February 09, 2012, 11:54:53 AM
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I have this problem with the front end: during 10 seconds it works fine, after that a single refresh takes like 2 minutes, than it works fine for 10 seconds, another lag of 2 minutes...
Does this happen to anyone else?

I've noticed that myself. I found that it helped for a few minutes to switch to the low bandwidth version.

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February 09, 2012, 04:49:29 PM
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I have this problem with the front end: during 10 seconds it works fine, after that a single refresh takes like 2 minutes, than it works fine for 10 seconds, another lag of 2 minutes...
Does this happen to anyone else?

I've noticed that myself. I found that it helped for a few minutes to switch to the low bandwidth version.

even then it takes 2+ minutes to get to the low bandwidth version lol

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February 09, 2012, 04:59:34 PM
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Sorry guys, new pool lots of kinks to work out. 
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February 09, 2012, 06:37:09 PM
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lets hope there isnt a kink in the block finding algorithm

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February 09, 2012, 06:57:45 PM
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everything down?

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February 09, 2012, 07:29:25 PM
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All shares getting recorded we are fixing the issues with the pool pages taking forever to load. Thanks for your patience.
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February 09, 2012, 11:37:46 PM
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lets hope there isnt a kink in the block finding algorithm

I've been wondering that for like a week. It should not take this long to find a block, good OR bad luck.

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February 09, 2012, 11:41:01 PM
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Slush had a 9M block not long ago... But if this one gets to 10M i would advise the pool OP to take a good look at the code.

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