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May 10, 2014, 04:12:53 PM |
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Before the trust system was added, I would manually add a SCAMMER tag to the accounts of people who were proven scammers, likely alts of scammers, and sometimes to hacked accounts (if they were being used for scamming). Because the trust system now exists, I will be removing all old scammer tags in about 7 days. If you still don't trust any of these people, you should manually give them negative trust.
The scammer tag also prevents people from deleting or editing their posts. If you suspect that any of these people will start deleting posts, you should make a note of their post count. I can restore any deleted or edited post if necessary.
Here's the list of people with scammer tags currently. People in bold will retain a hidden scammer tag so that they cannot delete their posts.
dank Nefario Clipse cablepair PatrickHarnett shakaru chungenhung bitlotto pirateat40 ianbakewell BTC guy Aahzman amazingrando kr4x FooDSt4mP hashking limitless vdragon R- nckrazze demonofelru saudibull Andrew Bitcoiner Sjalq Bind Hollie cryptoxchange killer2021 newdude TizzyTazzy Snapman Joshster joeyjmr8484 AlternativeCypt SHlFT Stefanie Andrea DoubleIcaras wildemagic lolcat constitution NINJA-- snedie bitdaytrade bitscalper mu50stang yacoin jetset220 Leon kingkatari MartinReynolds slammed Juneteenth Jermainé brunoshady Breen2543 Zem SynOps carebear iamtheone RyanWebber gurg2.o Bush wong RAP bayer Icy- pippipcheerio HonorMe kujoking7 epiks mining4fun11 penetration Bitcraft laydum mexxer bombshelterzero cardinalG furrycoat Gluskab ThyDude Clarithium Xanax SouthernComfort borito4 Black_Star RustyRyan btcmank Zombie Globes sylkyx kidage john_nalpa Amanda lxFlasHxl Anonymouss tmac667 loadrs2009 dareq rothglobal quartz92 Alwaysmining Si Robertson on9isrock AaronBreillat unkn0wn12 FocusMedia illWill TheLastDovah DiamondPlus Exo caradenada Intueri AndrewJ Pearikay darvil mini_lol bitcoinhero JCbit MaxPumper LionHeart Bitzing OMGBobMarley ex0420 thebitbabe Jimmysmith tachi641 anonameous CouragedOne madload .ME HaRRo siesatsu TORwallet turquoise9955 BTC4PPGBP PPoweredP Ryuguy ChickaDee . Bitexchange DrZaius AreYouCereal firstlady0524 mixmastermine Meddol bcjunkie Julia Sanders NoValues etsanchez Dakster arobinson dayasinfo Alexsandr boogiedown MiddleMan rodneycubed BitCoinBoom MikeT MouseTrap Randy CNClove Gabriellz9 boatedaces 008 satosamoto foofight Kz3ro InterCoin wjohnnyw PayPal vincentio TigerGuy007 Lieutenant Dan Powercoiner moneypak FastCoin Diamond CeltixBos Raeldi Aldun btclaw BTCMover MoneypakBuyer endercoin happyworld3000 sellbitcoins partyjumpyup Tucker Riddleman zionist shill moomerycreamery ndawg4554 nckfor daywalker Linux min0r btcace Oracle24 AshShep thegogos Darknesss SellBitcoinsTo crzr CrowdCrackingGroup diegospensi7 Lavada hilarioprnce7 errtest trusturtechnolust Lang bitcento kellyhuta64 lolbillfrist pooraich jimmi12 iamstimpy uAbbieBartonq azerty6757 Miss_Magenta emoryyrer96 Bitcoinmaker pandapeluche matthewdowns1128A1F5 conradinoz76 bitboy999 rockstarshorty21 cspalmer2 chevo headhunter KatiHahnA sarajasie0C2C bryankfurw05 brigitte2378sack xerces edwinaphan7 MSTRKRFT williamsnider72 Sandragutierre24Y jeraldftizt65 joan48ellis cocopuffs1003 colliefan1 DigiZ TheRonPaulKid stevguthie7 fiveletterword Exclusive lfelicols12t SusanaMenor23 ymfeeling Robert William Bonzi balmut051 carsonchassy5 UnKnOwNiSh BTCPlay terrence IllBill milardistone41 Lubaday krypton85 susanakaul iPhone.5 leahsandes MellisaAnn westcoastconnect jjfarren GammaRayCoin millermint BitcoinSolutions ElectricBTC Maddhatter ScoobieDoo SwimsuitPaul cbuchnner1 Hellaphunt John (John K) IMPERSONATOR thecanadian420 cotoro Zyzz Randal112 fake_gwillen Robert Fienstien mikel123 Skyliner RushBit mgmtlol HiddenTesoro Z3R00 BitcoinSmarket Maldun SpeedGold ExclusiveBTC Plateen BitcoinDoubleSpender Elderal
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May 10, 2014, 04:21:30 PM |
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If I may have a small suggestion related to this issue:
On the user stats page display "total post count (including deleted posts)". This should be a very simple SQL query that doesn't create much overhead in the software. This could save a lot of people additional manual work, and that includes moderators and administrators.
You are mostly concerned with scammers, whereas my concern is mostly with flip-floppers, people who habitually post strawmen or impulsive and emotional posters.
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May 10, 2014, 04:29:01 PM |
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What's the point in doing this? Just seems like extra unnecessary work.
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May 10, 2014, 04:34:26 PM |
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Interesting move. That as unexpected. I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) It will be interesting to see how this plays out nevertheless. I think we're going to see some of those accounts coming back from the grave.
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May 10, 2014, 04:37:07 PM |
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I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) No.
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May 10, 2014, 04:42:33 PM |
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I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) No. A part of me feels like a piece of Bitcoin history has just been lost. I'm going to miss my tag ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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May 10, 2014, 04:43:00 PM |
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I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) And just why exactly would you want to keep it? Sentimental reasons?
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May 10, 2014, 04:44:55 PM |
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I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) And just why exactly would you want to keep it? Sentimental reasons? Maybe just being unique like the Donator and VIP ranks, except that you get it for stealing rather than donating.
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May 10, 2014, 04:46:03 PM |
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I'm assuming there is no way for users to retain their scammer tag if they want to keep it? ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) And just why exactly would you want to keep it? Sentimental reasons? Maybe just being unique like the Donator and VIP ranks, except that you get it for stealing rather than donating. This!
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May 10, 2014, 04:49:48 PM |
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So basically you're saying that scammer tags will be completely removed from the forum?
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May 10, 2014, 04:52:37 PM |
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So basically you're saying that scammer tags will be completely removed from the forum?
No. The old type like mine <<< they haven't given these kind out in a long time. We'll have to use the trust system to mark scammers from now on.
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May 10, 2014, 05:17:01 PM |
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If they are scammers why not ban? why even bother to let them roam around the boards and be able to post?
Well the main reason is in many cases people have been given scammer tags and later had them removed after refunding people. Other reason is banning them is useless as they will just make another account. Most scammers do that anyway. But for people who continue using outed accounts at least their posts are confined to one account which people can put on ignore if they don't want to read. And scammers can still add to the discussion. Many are knowledgeable in niche areas that most people wouldn't know about, such as (as random examples) weakneses in anti-fraud systems or hacking. So their input in discussions may be quite valuable.
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May 10, 2014, 06:13:02 PM Last edit: May 14, 2014, 04:49:07 AM by Vod |
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This is unfortunate news. ![Embarrassed](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/embarrassed.gif) Edit: I understand now why this is necessary and agree with the way Theymos is handling things.
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May 10, 2014, 08:12:53 PM |
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Yet tradefortress and BFL operators are still allowed to post freely on the forum. What has this forum come to...
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May 10, 2014, 08:17:21 PM |
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Its really very risky, mostly scammer tags account are senior or hero account, if tag remove from them, they will easily goin to market and try to trade and will scam again. Coz of their senior member or Hero member account new member will trust them and will send them first and then they will run away.
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May 10, 2014, 11:33:05 PM |
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Yet tradefortress and BFL operators are still allowed to post freely on the forum. What has this forum come to...
Scammers are allowed to keep posting because there is more of a chance that more information will come out of them or that they decide to return whatever they scammed if they have the chance to speak up or chat with others.
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May 11, 2014, 01:32:41 AM |
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I don't quite understand why these need to be removed. I think having those and the trust system would work fine together, the trust system can be used like normal but, the scammer tags are issued when it has been confirmed that the person scammed. What we are effectively doing is removing a layer of protection.
Obviously, you justified giving them the tag in the first place so I don't know why you would want to remove it now. Any reasons? Or would you just prefer to use the trust system which isn't moderate unlike the scammer tags.
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May 11, 2014, 01:40:09 AM |
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I don't quite understand why these need to be removed. I think having those and the trust system would work fine together, the trust system can be used like normal but, the scammer tags are issued when it has been confirmed that the person scammed. What we are effectively doing it removing a layout of protection.
Obviously, you justified giving them the tag in the first place so I don't know why you would want to remove it now. Any reasons or would you just prefer to use the trust system which isn't moderate unlike the scammer tags.
The reason why is because it creates a perception problem (you seem to be affected). Nobody gets a scammer tag anymore, ever, under any circumstances. So not having a scammer tag doesn't mean someone isn't a scammer, it just means they scammed after the forum stopped giving those tags out. Essentially they are obsolete yet by remaining they are confusing. When someone sees scammer tags this may lead someone to believe (like yourself) that they are still being used and thus not having a scammer tag is a good sign when the reality is that someone not having a scammer tag alone means nothing. Any reasons or would you just prefer to use the trust system which isn't moderate unlike the scammer tags. This. It isn't just prefer, they never moderate scammmer tags anymore.
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May 11, 2014, 01:45:38 AM Last edit: May 11, 2014, 02:13:10 AM by Welsh |
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The reason why is because it creates a perception problem (you seem to be affected). Nobody gets a scammer tag anymore, ever, under any circumstances. So not having a scammer tag doesn't mean someone isn't a scammer, it just means they scammed after the forum stopped giving those tags out. Essentially they are obsolete yet by remaining they are confusing. When someone sees scammer tags this may lead someone to believe (like yourself) that they are still being used and thus not having a scammer tag is a good sign when the reality is that someone not having a scammer tag alone means nothing. Any reasons or would you just prefer to use the trust system which isn't moderate unlike the scammer tags. This. It isn't just prefer, they never moderate scammmer tags anymore. I did think of the perception problem after I posted that and was going to edit it. I see that would be a problem. I guess I didn't consider that because I'm familiar with both of the systems. But, anyone who doesn't know both of the systems could think that not having a scammer tag means that they aren't a scammer. Thanks for the explanation much appreciated. Should be a automated negative feedback put onto the account, otherwise a previous scammer could get away with it, I know that's why we have been given 7 days to put the negative trust. But, unless I know about the scammer and the suspicious activities it's been up to I don't put any feedback.
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May 11, 2014, 01:53:59 AM |
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Finally, i don't have to see that scary dank anymore ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) the guy is a pirate ? scammer?
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