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[LongAndShort]

hmmm i think there is still some lack of understanding when it comes to how the proposed systems work. What i cant work out is, why.

[GoldSeal]

DWS and prypto put out a release today. I copied it out to the mailing list a few min ago. Cheers

http://www.dreamworks.co/releasePrypto.html

[Marec4]

DWS and prypto put out a release today. I copied it out to the mailing list a few min ago. Cheers

http://www.dreamworks.co/releasePrypto.html

Will this also be released on some other sites (some crypto or casino news sites)?

[GoldSeal]

DWS and prypto put out a release today. I copied it out to the mailing list a few min ago. Cheers

http://www.dreamworks.co/releasePrypto.html

Will this also be released on some other sites (some crypto or casino news sites)?

All I know is that it's being distributed to several local press channels as well. Supposedly making the rounds today. I don't have any visibility into any specifics. However,  one would imagine that their PR firm is probably handling much of this.

[ajochems]

Both Sandcoins and Casinocoin v0.2 versions are now available from the Google Play store. Sandcoins for iOS is also submitted to the Apple App Store but is still under review. Please remember that it is still not completely finished but i guess that within a week or two we can call it a GA release 

[KickAzzDude]

Juicy news from both prypto and ajochems 

[Marec4]

Both Sandcoins and Casinocoin v0.2 versions are now available from the Google Play store. Sandcoins for iOS is also submitted to the Apple App Store but is still under review. Please remember that it is still not completely finished but i guess that within a week or two we can call it a GA release 

Thanks Andre for the wallets. From the first look I had even with ver 0.1, I understood that the final prduct is going to be high quality, user friendly and different from others. I (and I hope many others) really appreciate Your hard work. A lot pf people doesn't even realize that You're doing it for free and to provide these developments to CSC, it's massive effort from Your side.

So far these released wallets (ver 0.2) are working very well. Looking forward for the iOS versions.

[barbeq]

DWS and prypto put out a release today. I copied it out to the mailing list a few min ago. Cheers

http://www.dreamworks.co/releasePrypto.html

Will this also be released on some other sites (some crypto or casino news sites)?

All I know is that it's being distributed to several local press channels as well. Supposedly making the rounds today. I don't have any visibility into any specifics. However,  one would imagine that their PR firm is probably handling much of this.

I am sorry to say, but the press release is very disappointing. It is just more of the same of the previous releases, announcing a "launch" at a future date.  This is the fourth time Prypto/DWS have announced a "launch" for a future date, so credibility is wearing thin. The fact remains, despite numerous announcements, they have no actual casino customer.

I very much doubt that they use a "PR firm", since the press release is amateurishly written, again with grammatical errors and unprofessional writing style.  No serious news outfit will carry such a release.

I really like and support the idea of CSC being used for actual casino payment solutions, but it is becoming clear that it will not happen through Prypto/DWS. They are not professional organisations and seem to have no real idea of how to get their product to market.  This is a a real shame, as I have contacts to the owners of major Internet casino sites, and I would like to introduce the Prypto solution to them, as it would help them with their fiat payment issues (which all online casinos face), but I will not be able to introduce Prypto due their lack of professionalism. I can only advise Prypto/DWS to hire a professional PR firm and possibly someone who can advise and support them with sales.  

Sadly, I do not believe that Prypto/DWS will listen to any advice nor that they are capable of delivering a Prypto being used by casinos in production.  With the BTC price having risen over five-fold since 2015, and other coins like Dash and Ethereum rising, it is time for me to move on. I think better opportunities exist in other coins such as XMR.  I believe privacy will be the next big theme in the blockchain world.

With that in mind, I am offering 1 million CSC for sale at 1000 satoshis each, i.e. 10BTC for the lot.  Now is the chance for all those on this board who have been bragging that they want to buy coins cheaply to put their money where their mouth is.  Sales will be in minimum lots of 100,000 (=1 BTC). PM me for details.

[Bitcoinguru99]

Barbeqe, I could offer you 5btc for that 1 million csc. You might not believe it but I even agree with some of your points....

[LongAndShort]

DWS and prypto put out a release today. I copied it out to the mailing list a few min ago. Cheers

http://www.dreamworks.co/releasePrypto.html

Will this also be released on some other sites (some crypto or casino news sites)?

All I know is that it's being distributed to several local press channels as well. Supposedly making the rounds today. I don't have any visibility into any specifics. However,  one would imagine that their PR firm is probably handling much of this.

I am sorry to say, but the press release is very disappointing. It is just more of the same of the previous releases, announcing a "launch" at a future date.  This is the fourth time Prypto/DWS have announced a "launch" for a future date, so credibility is wearing thin. The fact remains, despite numerous announcements, they have no actual casino customer.

I very much doubt that they use a "PR firm", since the press release is amateurishly written, again with grammatical errors and unprofessional writing style.  No serious news outfit will carry such a release.

I really like and support the idea of CSC being used for actual casino payment solutions, but it is becoming clear that it will not happen through Prypto/DWS. They are not professional organisations and seem to have no real idea of how to get their product to market.  This is a a real shame, as I have contacts to the owners of major Internet casino sites, and I would like to introduce the Prypto solution to them, as it would help them with their fiat payment issues (which all online casinos face), but I will not be able to introduce Prypto due their lack of professionalism. I can only advise Prypto/DWS to hire a professional PR firm and possibly someone who can advise and support them with sales.  

Sadly, I do not believe that Prypto/DWS will listen to any advice nor that they are capable of delivering a Prypto being used by casinos in production.  With the BTC price having risen over five-fold since 2015, and other coins like Dash and Ethereum rising, it is time for me to move on. I think better opportunities exist in other coins such as XMR.  I believe privacy will be the next big theme in the blockchain world.

With that in mind, I am offering 1 million CSC for sale at 1000 satoshis each, i.e. 10BTC for the lot.  Now is the chance for all those on this board who have been bragging that they want to buy coins cheaply to put their money where their mouth is.  Sales will be in minimum lots of 100,000 (=1 BTC). PM me for details.

I have watched Prypto for years, yes, years! Something that is common for the director of it is that they constantly release info on what will happen in the future (its usually because so many people ask for it over and over and over again "news from devs?"). No one who really matters needs so many constant updates but the noob crypto crowd does not seem to understand business at all. Despite thinking they are pretty savvy in these areas.

Thing is, i have always seen them produce what they have said they will to me, just not as fast as some people would like. But that is not to say at all that they are not slowly progressing as a startup! Have you seen the book they produced? https://goo.gl/FpKvpc Prypto is a bricks and mortar business. I encourage you to look it up, and why not have a chat to the directors while your at it.

Prypto and what is happening at the casinos with the closed loop system and the machines in bricks and mortar outlets don't need PR. I encourage you to go to your local sports bar and look at the machines within and tell me if you have ever seen a PR campaign for any of them! They sell themselves.

I encourage you to rethink this and try to then lay a more realistic expectation on what it is you expect from these companies. I encourage you to muster up the wisdom to know how this does and does not correlate to casinocoin. I believe some of you are trying to mash it all up together. Personally i don't believe its that binary!

[barbeq]

Prypto and what is happening at the casinos with the closed loop system and the machines in bricks and mortar outlets don't need PR. I encourage you to go to your local sports bar and look at the machines within and tell me if you have ever seen a PR campaign for any of them! They sell themselves.

I encourage you to rethink this and try to then lay a more realistic expectation on what it is you expect from these companies. I encourage you to muster up the wisdom to know how this does and does not correlate to casinocoin. I believe some of you are trying to mash it all up together. Personally i don't believe its that binary!

What Prypto do with the brick & mortar casinos in the Bahamas is their business.  If it works, fine, but we have yet to see evidence of even one B&M casino signing up for the service.  Whether the machines in the B&M casinos sell themselves is irrelevant.  The product that requires selling is the Pryto closed loop solution, and Prypto have shown to be quire inept at marketing and selling.

What I "expect" (to use your words) from Prypto is a professional offering of a secure payment system with immutable transactions, which I could introduce to my online casino contacts.  Unfortunately, Prypto/DWS are not professionally run organisations and cannot even write proper copy or a press release.  I am sure they know their stuff when it comes to the technology behind it, but I can only advise them to hire professionals to deal with marketing and sales.
 

[LongAndShort]

Prypto and what is happening at the casinos with the closed loop system and the machines in bricks and mortar outlets don't need PR. I encourage you to go to your local sports bar and look at the machines within and tell me if you have ever seen a PR campaign for any of them! They sell themselves.

I encourage you to rethink this and try to then lay a more realistic expectation on what it is you expect from these companies. I encourage you to muster up the wisdom to know how this does and does not correlate to casinocoin. I believe some of you are trying to mash it all up together. Personally i don't believe its that binary!

What Prypto do with the brick & mortar casinos in the Bahamas is their business.  If it works, fine, but we have yet to see evidence of even one B&M casino signing up for the service.  Whether the machines in the B&M casinos sell themselves is irrelevant.  The product that requires selling is the Pryto closed loop solution, and Prypto have shown to be quire inept at marketing and selling.

What I "expect" (to use your words) from Prypto is a professional offering of a secure payment system with immutable transactions, which I could introduce to my online casino contacts.  Unfortunately, Prypto/DWS are not professionally run organisations and cannot even write proper copy or a press release.  I am sure they know their stuff when it comes to the technology behind it, but I can only advise them to hire professionals to deal with marketing and sales.
 

I really am encouraging you to talk to someone at Prypto. I don't believe the powerpoints that are given to casino execs are for the public. You don't market to execs, you do business with known contacts, which is what i believe at least Prypto does. Again, powerpoints are not for the public eye, they are for execs.

[barbeq]

I really am encouraging you to talk to someone at Prypto. I don't believe the powerpoints that are given to casino execs are for the public. You don't market to execs, you do business with known contacts, which is what i believe at least Prypto does. Again, powerpoints are not for the public eye, they are for execs.

Sure, I understand all that. In the IT solutions business, sales are done through personal relationships and building trust. Of course the documentation exchanged in such conversations is not the same as the publicised collateral.  However, a consistent and professional public marketing message is just as important as the individual sales discussions.  Premature announcements, press releases that are written like an advertisement with grammatical errors, websites with no proper company information, a company name that is passing off a major global trademark, these are all signs of lack of professionalism.   

Add to that frequent shifts in focus and abandoned projects (e.g. the affiliate programme) and we have the typical hallmarks of management who mean well and have good ideas, but lack focus and ability to commercialise a product,

You also have to wonder, if Prypto have been developing their payment solution for years, and still not one casino has signed up to so much as a trial, is the product right?  New products solve problems or satisfy needs (even needs that never existed before, like the iPhone). It would seem to me that there is a clear problem/need in the online gambling industry for an instant and immutable payment solution incorporating KYC, but Prypto do not seem to be active in this market, instead trying to target B&M casinos. Why? Have they not tried? Have they tried and failed? If a product that appears to offer a clear solution to a well known problem is not making inroads, then there must be something wrong with the proposition or with management.

   

[barbeq]

Barbeqe, I could offer you 5btc for that 1 million csc. You might not believe it but I even agree with some of your points....

Bitcoinguru, since you are so convinced that the CSC price will shoot to the moon any time soon, 10 BTC will be a fair price.  They will be worth $1m once CSC hits $1.

[LongAndShort]

I really am encouraging you to talk to someone at Prypto. I don't believe the powerpoints that are given to casino execs are for the public. You don't market to execs, you do business with known contacts, which is what i believe at least Prypto does. Again, powerpoints are not for the public eye, they are for execs.

Sure, I understand all that. In the IT solutions business, sales are done through personal relationships and building trust. Of course the documentation exchanged in such conversations is not the same as the publicised collateral.  However, a consistent and professional public marketing message is just as important as the individual sales discussions.  Premature announcements, press releases that are written like an advertisement with grammatical errors, websites with no proper company information, a company name that is passing off a major global trademark, these are all signs of lack of professionalism.  

Add to that frequent shifts in focus and abandoned projects (e.g. the affiliate programme) and we have the typical hallmarks of management who mean well and have good ideas, but lack focus and ability to commercialise a product,

You also have to wonder, if Prypto have been developing their payment solution for years, and still not one casino has signed up to so much as a trial, is the product right?  New products solve problems or satisfy needs (even needs that never existed before, like the iPhone). It would seem to me that there is a clear problem/need in the online gambling industry for an instant and immutable payment solution incorporating KYC, but Prypto do not seem to be active in this market, instead trying to target B&M casinos. Why? Have they not tried? Have they tried and failed? If a product that appears to offer a clear solution to a well known problem is not making inroads, then there must be something wrong with the proposition or with management.

  

Yes, i believe those are fair observations and opinions. So you would like to see around 2-5 thousand dollars spent on professional marketing material? Blogs, videos and media outlets talking about both companies. You think there would be a return on that capital in this niche for those two companies.

[Bitcoinguru99]

Barbeq... my offer is 5btc for 1mio csc. Just let me know. Thanks

[GoldSeal]

The quickest path to selling those coins would be to list them on cryptopia. They would likely be sold within a few days to a week at the price you are looking for. Selling them privately to strangers will always be difficult because you'll need a trusted escrow etc. Utilizing an exchange is the recommended way to conduct a sale.

[GoldSeal]

Barbeq... my offer is 5btc for 1mio csc. Just let me know. Thanks

He's probably not looking to sell them If he was motivated to sell them, he'd take them to an exchange like everyone else. This smells like he's offering them for sale in a manner that is least likeley to result in a successful sale in order to contribute to a spurious act of trolling prypto/DWS.

[barbeq]

Barbeq... my offer is 5btc for 1mio csc. Just let me know. Thanks

He's probably not looking to sell them If he was motivated to sell them, he'd take them to an exchange like everyone else. This smells like he's offering them for sale in a manner that is least likeley to result in a successful sale in order to contribute to a spurious act of trolling prypto/DWS.

Putting 1m coins in an exchange is risky for the reasons well known.  And how is pointing out the challenges of Prypto/DWS "trolling". It is far safer to arrange a private sale for the whole lot.

[Suh]

Barbeq... my offer is 5btc for 1mio csc. Just let me know. Thanks

He's probably not looking to sell them If he was motivated to sell them, he'd take them to an exchange like everyone else. This smells like he's offering them for sale in a manner that is least likeley to result in a successful sale in order to contribute to a spurious act of trolling prypto/DWS.

Putting 1m coins in an exchange is risky for the reasons well known.  And how is pointing out the challenges of Prypto/DWS "trolling". It is far safer to arrange a private sale for the whole lot.

Would you be open to accepting offers on the coins or breaking up the qty at all?