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[aminorex]

Given how on the ball this guy seems to be I wonder why BBR isn't doing a bit better than it is.

bbr is doing quite well.  cz set out to try some ideas.  bbr is the vehicle for those ideas.  By his choices he has made it clear that he is not seeking to dominate the dark liquidity market, and the market seems to believe this.  So far xmr is the only crypto which has made the choices which qualify it as a candidate for the dark liquidity monopoly leadership.  I expect bbr to continue to do well, and I don't expect it to enter the contest which interests me, because to my knowledge cz has never expressed an interest in reforming his project in the manner required.

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[illodin]

We're talking about what's in the present. As you can see, DRK already failed and forked twice in just getting masternode payments alone...we can't debate based on "promises". Darksend +( plus) does not exist, therefore it can't be used as a argument.

Ok, presently the network would just seem stalled. Anonymity would NOT be destroyed. Happy?

Anonymity would be destroyed since Darkcoin NEEDS the Masternodes for it's coinjoin anonymity....

Just read what you wrote an hour ago (as you apparently already forgot):

No such thing like that^^^, can happen to Cryptonote coins. If one were to DDOS a node(they cant buy it), it would only be temporary as you cant DDOS forever, Plus it will not affect Cryptonote coins anonymity in any way.

If someone were to DDOS all the nodes for a Cryptonote coin, it would simply stall the network temporarily and it will have No affect on the Cryptonote coin's anonymity

So, the effect would be exactly the same.

[darkota]

We're talking about what's in the present. As you can see, DRK already failed and forked twice in just getting masternode payments alone...we can't debate based on "promises". Darksend +( plus) does not exist, therefore it can't be used as a argument.

Ok, presently the network would just seem stalled. Anonymity would NOT be destroyed. Happy?

Anonymity would be destroyed since Darkcoin NEEDS the Masternodes for it's coinjoin anonymity....

Just read what you wrote an hour ago (as you apparently already forgot):

No such thing like that^^^, can happen to Cryptonote coins. If one were to DDOS a node(they cant buy it), it would only be temporary as you cant DDOS forever, Plus it will not affect Cryptonote coins anonymity in any way.

If someone were to DDOS all the nodes for a Cryptonote coin, it would simply stall the network temporarily and it will have No affect on the Cryptonote coin's anonymity

So, the effect would be exactly the same.

Huh? In those two quotes you showed, I was talking about Cryptonote Coins, not Darkcoin.

If all Darkcoin masternodes were taken offline/DDOSed, it will destroy it's anonymity for the duration of the time the nodes are down.The masternodes are also extremely easy targets, since theres a list of all Masternodes that are offline and online along with their Ip addresses lol.  No such thing will happen with cryptonote coins.

[illodin]

Given how on the ball this guy seems to be I wonder why BBR isn't doing a bit better than it is.

bbr is doing quite well.

If one of the major turnoffs of bbr is its name, may I suggest you change it to iCoin. iCoin has the best name in the business, and its dev has left for good, so it's open for "community takeover". Destroy old iCoins for new iCoins with 10:1 ratio or something.

[Okurkabinladin]

Recovery of monero starting. Rock bottom and (in relative terms) massive wall at 0.002.

[illodin]

Huh? In those two quotes you showed, I was talking about Cryptonote Coins, not Darkcoin.

Yes, exactly! And now the same thing is somehow worse if it's Darkcoin whose network is stalled?

If all Darkcoin masternodes were taken offline/DDOSed, it will destroy it's anonymity for the duration of the time the nodes are down.The masternodes are also extremely easy targets, since theres a list of all Masternodes that are offline and online along with their Ip addresses lol.  No such thing will happen with cryptonote coins.

And one last time, it will NOT destroy the anonymity, the sends would just not go through if the nodes are DOS'ed. And do you think Cryptonote's nodes are somehow hidden? How do you think clients will find them if they are lol.

[rpietila]

Recovery of monero starting. Rock bottom and (in relative terms) massive wall at 0.002.

How high is it going to go this time? Last top was 0.01, and the last bottom (assuming we are heading up) was higher than the previous bottom.

[darkota]

Huh? In those two quotes you showed, I was talking about Cryptonote Coins, not Darkcoin.

Yes, exactly! And now the same thing is somehow worse if it's Darkcoin whose network is stalled?

If all Darkcoin masternodes were taken offline/DDOSed, it will destroy it's anonymity for the duration of the time the nodes are down.The masternodes are also extremely easy targets, since theres a list of all Masternodes that are offline and online along with their Ip addresses lol.  No such thing will happen with cryptonote coins.

And one last time, it will NOT destroy the anonymity, the sends would just not go through if the nodes are DOS'ed. And do you think Cryptonote's nodes are somehow hidden? How do you think clients will find them if they are lol.

Yes, exactly! And now the same thing is somehow worse if it's Darkcoin whose network is stalled?  , Darkcoin Needs the Masternodes for it's anonymity...

Maybe I said it wrong...If a Cryptonote coin magically looses all or most it's nodes(over 4,000), it's network will be stalled or slowed down, but it's anonymity through Ring Signatures will/can never be comprosmied.

However, if Darkcoin looses all or most of it's nodes(around 500) through DDOS, taken offline by Amazon etc, it's network will be stalled or slowed down, and it's anonymity will be destroyed(if it looses most but not all of its nodes), since there wont be enough masternodes to do the mixing service(coinjoin).

[illodin]

I don't know what else to tell you, you're misunderstanding either intentionally or not, forgetting what you yourself have just previously said, tell people to read previous posts and fail to do it yourself, and call people liars without any evidence. I'm sure rpietila is happy to have you in his thread.

[aminorex]

I was never offered a satisfactory response to the following question I asked a couple of days ago: If Cryptonote is not NSA proof, what does it offer over coins like Darkcoin that also give non-NSA proof anonymity ?

NSA-proof is not well defined.  If you establish a goal which is undefined you establish one which is unattainable.  Since you appear to consider xmr an insurmountable competitive threat I can see why you would employ such a 'disingenuous' sophistry, but i cannot see why i should take your bait.

The current plan being implemented in xmr takes it one step closer to practical immunity from a large class of attacks on aspects of transactional privacy. It is already relatively easy to use xmr in a way which makes it practically immune to some classes of attack on transactional privacy which are of interest to me and to which darkcoin is now and likely will always remain susceptible:

Darkcoin is vulnerable to fungibility crisis, just like bitcoin.

Darkcoin will likely be ready about a year sooner than any CN coin.

It's done already.  Evan proved this: he stuck a fork in it - twice, so far.  There is no plan in evidence to transition drk to a technology which provides competitive privacy assurrances.  It seems clear that Evan is not competent to execute such a plan were it dropped in his lap.

You seem to think that by the sheer number of your words you can delude the markets into thinking drk is still a serious coin.  It isn't working.

[aminorex]

If I (or any one of us) had control of a botnet we would not be involved with Monero. Trust me. We would have much more profitable fish to fry (ransomware, for instance).

Uh, wow. lol.

I hope you forgot the quote the /s in that post or something.

Ilodin proved that he is a slandering troll with that post.  I think he should be banned. 

[darkota]

I don't know what else to tell you, you're misunderstanding either intentionally or not, forgetting what you yourself have just previously said, tell people to read previous posts and fail to do it yourself, and call people liars without any evidence. I'm sure rpietila is happy to have you in his thread.

I explained everything to you...It seems like you're just saying anything you can to try and dispel what I've said, literally confusing yourself in the process...You're frankly not making any sense with your arguments, and you have yet to try and disprove mine....It's simply impossible to argue with the points I've made..I'm responding to you because while I may not have much $ in Cryptonote coins atm, I will Admit that they are way superior to coinjoin/masternode coins.

To Compare, how "Unbias" I'm trying to be with my points on Darkcoin and Cryptonotes.

I currently have 210 Darkcoin which is the most of any alt-coin I have, which I bought about a month ago. I used to be an avid Darkcoin supporter.

Then after a while, I actually looked into Cryptonote coins like Monero, instead of trying to slander them because they are a huge threat to Darkcoin..

I came to the conclusion that: Cryptonote coins simply are way superior. They do not have the flaws and bad past Darkcoin has concerning it's Masternode/coinjoin anonymity being compromised and unfair distribution etc. There Ring Signature anonymity is also truly superior and way beyond than what Darkcoin's/coinjoin could ever be..

I've also looked at Zerocoin, it looked promising Until I saw that you have to place your trust in a entity to destroy a key, or theyll otherwise be able to see every transaction as clear as day. It frankly goes against everything Satoshi wanted, to have a trustless application.
-"doublespend" without anyone ever knowing

[aminorex]

The conception of DRK was illegitimate, I will not buy it for this reason alone.

It is very unfortunate the launch happened as it happened. I was pissed off at the start too. The market has probably priced it in by now however.

The market will continue to discount drk as a premine scam until it ceases to be a premine scam, forever.

If there were not the alternative of superior cryptography with a fair launch and open development, drk might have surpassed ltc by now.  That ship has sailed, however, and nothing will bring it back.

[illodin]

If I (or any one of us) had control of a botnet we would not be involved with Monero. Trust me. We would have much more profitable fish to fry (ransomware, for instance).

Uh, wow. lol.

I hope you forgot the quote the /s in that post or something.

Ilodin proved that he is a slandering troll with that post.  I think he should be banned. 

I just quoted what he said. Stop trolling.

[illodin]

I came to the conclusion that: Cryptonote coins simply are way superior.

premine scam
superior cryptography

And back to square one. Do you really need another round? I don't. Maybe next week.

[aminorex]

If I (or any one of us) had control of a botnet we would not be involved with Monero. Trust me. We would have much more profitable fish to fry (ransomware, for instance).

Uh, wow. lol.

I hope you forgot the quote the /s in that post or something.

Ilodin proved that he is a slandering troll with that post.  I think he should be banned. 

I just quoted what he said. Stop trolling.

You intentionally, with knowing deception and malice aforethought, created an inference that fluffypony has criminal intentions.

This doesn't surprise me. It seems characteristic of drk advocates.  It does give me certainty that you are a liability to honest discourse.  Please feel free to prove me wrong by your behaviour.

[smooth]

I've also looked at Zerocoin, it looked promising Until I saw that you have to place your trust in a entity to destroy a key, or theyll otherwise be able to see every transaction as clear as day. It frankly goes against everything Satoshi wanted, to have a trustless application.

This is not my understanding. They can't see the transactions but they can create fake transactions (i.e. create coins out of thin air) in a way that can't ever be detected.

[dnaleor]

Recovery of monero starting. Rock bottom and (in relative terms) massive wall at 0.002.

How high is it going to go this time? Last top was 0.01, and the last bottom (assuming we are heading up) was higher than the previous bottom.

I guess we'll see a lot of selling pressure between 8 and 10 mBTC...

[smooth]

If I (or any one of us) had control of a botnet we would not be involved with Monero. Trust me. We would have much more profitable fish to fry (ransomware, for instance).

Uh, wow. lol.

I hope you forgot the quote the /s in that post or something.

Ilodin proved that he is a slandering troll with that post.  I think he should be banned. 

I just quoted what he said. Stop trolling.

You intentionally, with knowing deception and malice aforethought, created an inference that fluffypony has criminal intentions.

This doesn't surprise me. It seems characteristic of drk advocates.  It does give me certainty that you are a liability to honest discourse.  Please feel free to prove me wrong by your behaviour.

I didn't follow the whole chain here, but the original accusation/innuendo came from this post by "openyourmind" https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7802635#msg7802635

If you look at the posting history for "openyourmind," especially the first page or so, you will see exactly the same pattern of one line light-on-content posts made to bump up the post count that you see with every single one of the troll/sock puppet accounts that have been relentlessly attacking Monero from day one.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=304231;sa=showPosts;start=20

It is all quite amateurish to the point where I now find it amusing.

 

[Okurkabinladin]

Recovery of monero starting. Rock bottom and (in relative terms) massive wall at 0.002.

How high is it going to go this time? Last top was 0.01, and the last bottom (assuming we are heading up) was higher than the previous bottom.

I am actually calculating with your previous prediction of 0.02 as maximum this year. It is well thought prediction. I will start selling only after we pass 0.01 (previous ATH).