Elliot Rodger Killed 7 and Wounded 7

[nickenburg]

Did you guys here about this guy Elliot Rodger?
Before he went on a killing spree he made a youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQUW3Km01BM&bpctr=1401290612

In the video it just looks like he has a earpiece in and he's gettin insctruction's but i could be wrong.

Then I found this manifesto of him yesterday he wrote 150 pages about his whole life from 0-22.
Here it is: http://www.businessinsider.com/elliot-rodgers-manifesto-2014-5

He's actually a really good writer and it's like a book about his life.
It's a really good read, but he has some crazy vieuws about the world.
He blames sex and girls for all the pain and evil in this world, so he wasn't that smart.

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[master-P]

I'm sure most Americans have heard of this story, especially because of all the attention it has been receiving in the mainstream media. His manifesto is well-written, but his thought-process is one of a racist, narcissistic, delusional madman. He lived in a fantasy world, where he perceived his shortcomings to be the fault of others, and wanting to exact revenge from those who had what he didn't, instead of accepting his weaknesses and trying to better himself.

[RodeoX]

... His manifesto is well-written, but his thought-process is one of a racist, narcissistic, delusional madman. He lived in a fantasy world, where he perceived his shortcomings to be the fault of others, ...

Surely he has an account here?
Sad story really. I'm glad it didn't happen here. I would hate to have to gun him down. 

[commandrix]

Yeah...This guy was screwed up for sure. I heard the guy had Asperger's, but most people with Asperger's are smart enough to know that not getting the popular chick is not a reason to shoot people. It's more an excuse to find their own crowd where they can collaborate on making the next big video game so they can GET RICH and leave the popular chick in the dust. I heard recently that Seth Rogen was pissed because some columnist said that the Hollywood culture could have been a contributing factor. My whole reaction was that, sure, Hollywood is basically a fantasyland that turns out movies that have little if anything to do with reality, but that doesn't excuse what this little twerp did. Here's a link to Seth Rogers' reaction: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2014/05/27/seth-rogen-and-judd-apatow-dont-blame-us-for-misogynistic-massacre/

[GoofyUK]

this guy was a fking nut job,

although he says he was mad cos he was still a virgin... he had quite a bit of money why didn't he get a hooker?

[beetcoin]

the video won't load for me for whatever reason.. this is the UCSB kid right? he was a kook, so no way to rationalize what he did.

[hilariousandco]

An ear-piece? C'mon, who's he getting instructions from? The illuminati? He obviously was just deranged and blamed others for his problems.

... His manifesto is well-written, but his thought-process is one of a racist, narcissistic, delusional madman. He lived in a fantasy world, where he perceived his shortcomings to be the fault of others, ...

Surely he has an account here?  

Haha. I lold.

[master-P]

... His manifesto is well-written, but his thought-process is one of a racist, narcissistic, delusional madman. He lived in a fantasy world, where he perceived his shortcomings to be the fault of others, ...

Surely he has an account here?
Sad story really. I'm glad it didn't happen here. I would hate to have to gun him down. 

He was using his real name online to complain about his perception of being wronged by others, so he probably didn't have an account on here. You never know what kind of people actually lurk behind some of the more eccentric accounts on here though. I'm sure many of us have known people online that surprised us when we meet them face-to-face, as they were nothing like their online persona.

[beetcoin]

he wasn't a bad looking dude.. he probably suffered from some mentally debilitating disorder that caused him to feel ostracized by others.

[IamCANADIAN013]

The kid was definitely a whack job and I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about how it was a mass shooting.  He killed 3 with a knife. More fear mongering to push the anti gun agenda. If this brainwashing continues, it's only going to be a matter where only cops will have guns.  

I already hear all the time from the younger generation that guns cause war.  Apparently thats what they are learning in school nowadays.

When all the guns are removed from the people, you can guarantee we will become slaves.

This is the real problem:

[Ron~Popeil]

It is just a tragic situation all the way around. People will of course exploit it for political purposes which is sickening to say the least.

[hilariousandco]

he wasn't a bad looking dude.. he probably suffered from some mentally debilitating disorder that caused him to feel ostracized by others.

Gayboy. Haha. That's exactly what I thought, but it doesn't matter how good looking you are if you're just a little creepy and awkward/unhinged. Women won't like that. His parents did say he had mental health problems.

[Benjig]

The government has been using most of that histories to try to pull back the guns from the people, its pretty obvious, cause some tragedy and by that way the people himself will try to ban guns.

But this is really sad because if they are triying to do this is because they have something in their agenda that they think can cause a revolution or something.

[beetcoin]

he wasn't a bad looking dude.. he probably suffered from some mentally debilitating disorder that caused him to feel ostracized by others.

Gayboy. Haha. That's exactly what I thought, but it doesn't matter how good looking you are if you're just a little creepy and awkward/unhinged. Women won't like that. His parents did say he had mental health problems.

i wish. i was thinking about this, and i think life might be easier if i were gay (except for, you know, the bigotry). there's just no social protocol. being gay is probably how it feels like to be a girl, since you don't have to do jack shit and yet guys would be hitting on you all the time. and to add to that, it's 2 GUYS.. and being so, two horny people  

and re: the psycho guy, yeah when i look into his eyes it feels like something is missing.. kinda like how you feel when you see tom cruise in an interview.

[IamCANADIAN013]

he wasn't a bad looking dude.. he probably suffered from some mentally debilitating disorder that caused him to feel ostracized by others.

Gayboy. Haha. That's exactly what I thought, but it doesn't matter how good looking you are if you're just a little creepy and awkward/unhinged. Women won't like that. His parents did say he had mental health problems.

Apparently he had aspergers which is a high functioning form of autism.  My nephew has aspergers and I can tell you, he's very socially awkward.  He has trouble forming relationships with people. He also tends to dwell on the same issue over and over again.  Pretty hard to get any decent conversation going with him.

You won't really get far without decent conversation with women.  One thing I don't get is why he just didn't go to the nightclub and pray on the really drunk fat ones at the end of the night.  They'll give it up to anybody.  

So yeah, maybe he was gay.

[beetcoin]

it's such wasted opportunity.. he was a good looking dude and son of a director who is wealthy.. damn, a normal functioning kid in his position can have it all really.

[DolanDuck]

He had all the cash he wanted but like all the rich families, when they notice that everything can't be bought with the $$$, they go crazy.
All in all he doesn't accepted the idea he couldn't find any girl even he was driving a 80.000$ car, maybe he had some strange behaviour which made
the other people unconfident with him.

[IamCANADIAN013]

Geez, the more I read about this guy, the creepier it gets.  I also don't get why he was able to buy a gun in the first place.  In the State of California my understanding is that you have to fill out a form when you buy the gun, wait 10 days while they do a background check, and if everything's clean, you pick up the gun.

You would think the background check would have picked up a red flag at least.

Considering how messed up this guy was, I think we are lucky he only killed 6 people before killing himself. 

[hilariousandco]

it's such wasted opportunity.. he was a good looking dude and son of a director who is wealthy.. damn, a normal functioning kid in his position can have it all really.

You're really starting to sound like you've got the hots for him  . What's the biggest tragedy here? The killings or that fine piece of ass he just wasted? Haha.

[beetcoin]

it's such wasted opportunity.. he was a good looking dude and son of a director who is wealthy.. damn, a normal functioning kid in his position can have it all really.

You're really starting to sound like you've got the hots for him  . What's the biggest tragedy here? The killings or that fine piece of ass he just wasted? Haha.

man, i don't have the hots for him.. i just want to be him. having a rich dad, who probably hangs out with celebrities... i'd make charlie sheen look like a panzy.

btw, i've seen you use the word "whilst" a few times and i was thinking to myself "why the fuck does he say whilst? who actually uses that word?" and then i realized you were british.

[nickenburg]

Yeh he had everything going in his life, nice apartment in california, a nice car and alot of money from his family.
All payed bye mom and dad, he was really under the impression he can just sit somewhere and girls will talk to him.
But you have to talk to them first i think that's what he failed to understand you have to start the conversation because most of the times the girls are waiting for that.

[nkocevar]

An ear-piece? C'mon, who's he getting instructions from? The illuminati? He obviously was just deranged and blamed others for his problems.

No. He must be getting instructions from the government. The Obama administration orchestrated this event in order to brainwash the american people into thinking "guns are bad" and "guns kill people" so that they can promote their anti-gun law agenda.

[hilariousandco]

I'm not sure whether you're joking or not? Hard to tell with some users on here, especially when some people actually believe that false flag gun conspiracy crap.

[nkocevar]

I'm not sure whether you're joking or not? Hard to tell with some users on here, especially when some people actually believe that false flag gun conspiracy crap.

Im not a hard core believer in it or anything, but it is plausible considering what the Obama admin has done in the past. Spying on us and spending lavishly on things that dont matter. Obama is quite unpredictable.

[hilariousandco]

It's not really plausible at all, and all the things he has continued to do were all pretty much started by the previous administration.

[TaunSew]

Yeh he had everything going in his life, nice apartment in california, a nice car and alot of money from his family.
All payed bye mom and dad, he was really under the impression he can just sit somewhere and girls will talk to him.
But you have to talk to them first i think that's what he failed to understand you have to start the conversation because most of the times the girls are waiting for that.

He didn't.  He was fake rich.  Fake rich is a common Asian thing, I know Chinese guys sleeping out of leased BMWs and Mustangs.

 He was leasing the BMW and shared an apartment with three Asian guys.

Still - his male classmates described him as a quiet loner, so he likely never talked to a girl.

He was also creepy, 5 foot 8 and 135 pounds and wanted a 8/10+ blonde but didn't have the money / appearance / personality for one

[nickenburg]

Yeh he wanted to be rich so all the women would like them he tought.
In the last years of his life he even spend alot of money on lottery tickets, in the hope to get rich.
If he just invested his money in bitcoins at that time, he couldve been rich already.

[d2dtk]

he wasn't a bad looking dude.. he probably suffered from some mentally debilitating disorder that caused him to feel ostracized by others.

Gayboy. Haha. That's exactly what I thought, but it doesn't matter how good looking you are if you're just a little creepy and awkward/unhinged. Women won't like that. His parents did say he had mental health problems.

Apparently he had aspergers which is a high functioning form of autism.  My nephew has aspergers and I can tell you, he's very socially awkward.  He has trouble forming relationships with people. He also tends to dwell on the same issue over and over again.  Pretty hard to get any decent conversation going with him.

You won't really get far without decent conversation with women.  One thing I don't get is why he just didn't go to the nightclub and pray on the really drunk fat ones at the end of the night.  They'll give it up to anybody.  

So yeah, maybe he was gay.

He wanted the hot girls which he couldn't get and didn't understand. I was amazed at how he thought having a better car and a flashy lifestyle would make him more attractive when really it probably made him even more standoffish. What wowed me the most was how he would stalk people and hate that a ugly guys was with a hot girl and vise versa, he really needed a flesh light or blow up doll instead of a gun..

[beetcoin]

I'm not sure whether you're joking or not? Hard to tell with some users on here, especially when some people actually believe that false flag gun conspiracy crap.

welcome to america m8, land of the kooks and gunslingers. a lot of them are republicans and live in rural areas.. just like cliven bundy.

[Galio]

That guy is crazy, just because girls rejected him? or couldnt start a conversation going...

The dude could of paid a escort for $200..

[gagalady]

I read his story a bit and If I didn't miss anything It's pretty much parents fault, that kid just needed help, like psychologist who would guide and give him suggestions on how to change his life. He just didn't have enough experience to understand that himself. There Is saying : Smart people will try to adapt to the world, unsmart people will try to change the world, thinking that their truth Is the only one and other people are wrong. And even worse is to wait till the world will "change" doing nothing and that's what that kid did. He waited till his life will change while he just waits? He wasnt wide minded enough to change his life in to a happy life. He just needed someone to guide him and parents didn't get him to psychologist?

[beetcoin]

I read his story a bit and If I didn't miss anything It's pretty much parents fault, that kid just needed help, like psychologist who would guide and give him suggestions on how to change his life. He just didn't have enough experience to understand that himself. There Is saying : Smart people will try to adapt to the world, unsmart people will try to change the world, thinking that their truth Is the only one and other people are wrong. And even worse is to wait till the world will "change" doing nothing and that's what that kid did. He waited till his life will change while he just waits? He wasnt wide minded enough to change his life in to a happy life. He just needed someone to guide him and parents didn't get him to psychologist?

that's pretty unfair to just point the finger towards his parents. how do you think it would upend their lives knowing that their son has a mental illness? they can't babysit him 24/7.. even if they wanted to, he probably wouldn't let it happen and would likely act out.

[hilariousandco]

I read his story a bit and If I didn't miss anything It's pretty much parents fault, that kid just needed help, like psychologist who would guide and give him suggestions on how to change his life. He just didn't have enough experience to understand that himself. There Is saying : Smart people will try to adapt to the world, unsmart people will try to change the world, thinking that their truth Is the only one and other people are wrong. And even worse is to wait till the world will "change" doing nothing and that's what that kid did. He waited till his life will change while he just waits? He wasnt wide minded enough to change his life in to a happy life. He just needed someone to guide him and parents didn't get him to psychologist?

that's pretty unfair to just point the finger towards his parents. how do you think it would upend their lives knowing that their son has a mental illness? they can't babysit him 24/7.. even if they wanted to, he probably wouldn't let it happen and would likely act out.

Yeah, you can't just blame the parents everytime. The guy had issues and was seeing various shrinks since he was about 8-years-old I believe. Some people just can't be helped or stopped from going crazy/doing crazy shit.

[beetcoin]

I read his story a bit and If I didn't miss anything It's pretty much parents fault, that kid just needed help, like psychologist who would guide and give him suggestions on how to change his life. He just didn't have enough experience to understand that himself. There Is saying : Smart people will try to adapt to the world, unsmart people will try to change the world, thinking that their truth Is the only one and other people are wrong. And even worse is to wait till the world will "change" doing nothing and that's what that kid did. He waited till his life will change while he just waits? He wasnt wide minded enough to change his life in to a happy life. He just needed someone to guide him and parents didn't get him to psychologist?

that's pretty unfair to just point the finger towards his parents. how do you think it would upend their lives knowing that their son has a mental illness? they can't babysit him 24/7.. even if they wanted to, he probably wouldn't let it happen and would likely act out.

Yeah, you can't just blame the parents everytime. The guy had issues and was seeing various shrinks since he was about 8-years-old I believe. Some people just can't be helped or stopped from going crazy/doing crazy shit.

yeah i think not enough consideration is given to the parents of these special needs people. their lives are upended, and they are constantly worrying something bad will happen. if i were a parent with a child like that, it would exhaust me.. i wouldn't have my own free time, and i would feel responsible for that child's every mishap.

[Galio]

Yeh he had everything going in his life, nice apartment in california, a nice car and alot of money from his family.
All payed bye mom and dad, he was really under the impression he can just sit somewhere and girls will talk to him.
But you have to talk to them first i think that's what he failed to understand you have to start the conversation because most of the times the girls are waiting for that.

He didn't.  He was fake rich.  Fake rich is a common Asian thing, I know Chinese guys sleeping out of leased BMWs and Mustangs.

 He was leasing the BMW and shared an apartment with three Asian guys.

Still - his male classmates described him as a quiet loner, so he likely never talked to a girl.

He was also creepy, 5 foot 8 and 135 pounds and wanted a 8/10+ blonde but didn't have the money / appearance / personality for one

This is on point lol.

Fake rich = no bueno. Sleeping out of a BMW, thats just hard life.

But besides that point, it should of at least gave the confidence to talk to some girl and start to refine himself.

[gagalady]

I read his story a bit and If I didn't miss anything It's pretty much parents fault, that kid just needed help, like psychologist who would guide and give him suggestions on how to change his life. He just didn't have enough experience to understand that himself. There Is saying : Smart people will try to adapt to the world, unsmart people will try to change the world, thinking that their truth Is the only one and other people are wrong. And even worse is to wait till the world will "change" doing nothing and that's what that kid did. He waited till his life will change while he just waits? He wasnt wide minded enough to change his life in to a happy life. He just needed someone to guide him and parents didn't get him to psychologist?

that's pretty unfair to just point the finger towards his parents. how do you think it would upend their lives knowing that their son has a mental illness? they can't babysit him 24/7.. even if they wanted to, he probably wouldn't let it happen and would likely act out.

That's pretty stupid thing to say, sorry. If there Is a problem you just leave It till this happens? Till 7 people dead? Or get him help to get a happy life? Which was possible in my opinion. He had no support and help If this happened. There is special institutions for people like these.

Yeah, you can't just blame the parents everytime. The guy had issues and was seeing various shrinks since he was about 8-years-old I believe. Some people just can't be helped or stopped from going crazy/doing crazy shit.


yeah i think not enough consideration is given to the parents of these special needs people. their lives are upended, and they are constantly worrying something bad will happen. if i were a parent with a child like that, it would exhaust me.. i wouldn't have my own free time, and i would feel responsible for that child's every mishap.

Your views are pretty strange on this, The best thing the parents could do for their Kid is get him to psychologist and maybe there would be no 7 people dead now. You say parents want to have their free time? They must not to care about their kid at all then.

[hilariousandco]

Did you actually read my posts? They sent him to several therapists over the years and seemingly helped him as best they can. He wasn't a kid anymore and they can't force him to do anything. Plus, therapists aren't miracle workers. Seeing one doesn't mean you're not going to go on a killing spree.

[beetcoin]

I read his story a bit and If I didn't miss anything It's pretty much parents fault, that kid just needed help, like psychologist who would guide and give him suggestions on how to change his life. He just didn't have enough experience to understand that himself. There Is saying : Smart people will try to adapt to the world, unsmart people will try to change the world, thinking that their truth Is the only one and other people are wrong. And even worse is to wait till the world will "change" doing nothing and that's what that kid did. He waited till his life will change while he just waits? He wasnt wide minded enough to change his life in to a happy life. He just needed someone to guide him and parents didn't get him to psychologist?

that's pretty unfair to just point the finger towards his parents. how do you think it would upend their lives knowing that their son has a mental illness? they can't babysit him 24/7.. even if they wanted to, he probably wouldn't let it happen and would likely act out.

That's pretty stupid thing to say, sorry. If there Is a problem you just leave It till this happens? Till 7 people dead? Or get him help to get a happy life? Which was possible in my opinion. He had no support and help If this happened. There is special institutions for people like these.

Yeah, you can't just blame the parents everytime. The guy had issues and was seeing various shrinks since he was about 8-years-old I believe. Some people just can't be helped or stopped from going crazy/doing crazy shit.


yeah i think not enough consideration is given to the parents of these special needs people. their lives are upended, and they are constantly worrying something bad will happen. if i were a parent with a child like that, it would exhaust me.. i wouldn't have my own free time, and i would feel responsible for that child's every mishap.

Your views are pretty strange on this, The best thing the parents could do for their Kid is get him to psychologist and maybe there would be no 7 people dead now. You say parents want to have their free time? They must not to care about their kid at all then.

they sent him to therapists. it's funny that you think sending someone with a mental illness will cure everything. now it's all his parents' fault.

you're just the type of person who blames shit on people without knowing the full story.

[gagalady]

I read his story a bit and If I didn't miss anything It's pretty much parents fault, that kid just needed help, like psychologist who would guide and give him suggestions on how to change his life. He just didn't have enough experience to understand that himself. There Is saying : Smart people will try to adapt to the world, unsmart people will try to change the world, thinking that their truth Is the only one and other people are wrong. And even worse is to wait till the world will "change" doing nothing and that's what that kid did. He waited till his life will change while he just waits? He wasnt wide minded enough to change his life in to a happy life. He just needed someone to guide him and parents didn't get him to psychologist?

that's pretty unfair to just point the finger towards his parents. how do you think it would upend their lives knowing that their son has a mental illness? they can't babysit him 24/7.. even if they wanted to, he probably wouldn't let it happen and would likely act out.

That's pretty stupid thing to say, sorry. If there Is a problem you just leave It till this happens? Till 7 people dead? Or get him help to get a happy life? Which was possible in my opinion. He had no support and help If this happened. There is special institutions for people like these.

Yeah, you can't just blame the parents everytime. The guy had issues and was seeing various shrinks since he was about 8-years-old I believe. Some people just can't be helped or stopped from going crazy/doing crazy shit.


yeah i think not enough consideration is given to the parents of these special needs people. their lives are upended, and they are constantly worrying something bad will happen. if i were a parent with a child like that, it would exhaust me.. i wouldn't have my own free time, and i would feel responsible for that child's every mishap.

Your views are pretty strange on this, The best thing the parents could do for their Kid is get him to psychologist and maybe there would be no 7 people dead now. You say parents want to have their free time? They must not to care about their kid at all then.

they sent him to therapists. it's funny that you think sending someone with a mental illness will cure everything. now it's all his parents' fault.

Well, It's hard to judge then, but from what I read in his story I wouldn't say that he had "BIG" mental illness, from what I read I would just call It a problem - mental illness which could be solved.

His view on girls was pretty strange, like he wanted hot chicks that he couldn't get? There are so many people who wants hot chicks but can't get them because of their "bad" look or bad communication skills but they don't give a big fak about It.

I just see that he had a very wrong view about the world, but he was common sense. It was just all about his wrong view and because of that he didn't know what to do and from what to start to change It.

[beetcoin]

I read his story a bit and If I didn't miss anything It's pretty much parents fault, that kid just needed help, like psychologist who would guide and give him suggestions on how to change his life. He just didn't have enough experience to understand that himself. There Is saying : Smart people will try to adapt to the world, unsmart people will try to change the world, thinking that their truth Is the only one and other people are wrong. And even worse is to wait till the world will "change" doing nothing and that's what that kid did. He waited till his life will change while he just waits? He wasnt wide minded enough to change his life in to a happy life. He just needed someone to guide him and parents didn't get him to psychologist?

that's pretty unfair to just point the finger towards his parents. how do you think it would upend their lives knowing that their son has a mental illness? they can't babysit him 24/7.. even if they wanted to, he probably wouldn't let it happen and would likely act out.

That's pretty stupid thing to say, sorry. If there Is a problem you just leave It till this happens? Till 7 people dead? Or get him help to get a happy life? Which was possible in my opinion. He had no support and help If this happened. There is special institutions for people like these.

Yeah, you can't just blame the parents everytime. The guy had issues and was seeing various shrinks since he was about 8-years-old I believe. Some people just can't be helped or stopped from going crazy/doing crazy shit.


yeah i think not enough consideration is given to the parents of these special needs people. their lives are upended, and they are constantly worrying something bad will happen. if i were a parent with a child like that, it would exhaust me.. i wouldn't have my own free time, and i would feel responsible for that child's every mishap.

Your views are pretty strange on this, The best thing the parents could do for their Kid is get him to psychologist and maybe there would be no 7 people dead now. You say parents want to have their free time? They must not to care about their kid at all then.

they sent him to therapists. it's funny that you think sending someone with a mental illness will cure everything. now it's all his parents' fault.

Well, It's hard to judge then, but from what I read in his story I wouldn't say that he had "BIG" mental illness, from what I read I would just call It a problem - mental illness which could be solved.

His view on girls was pretty strange, like he wanted hot chicks that he couldn't get? There are so many people who wants hot chicks but can't get them because of their "bad" look or bad communication skills but they don't give a big fak about It.

I just see that he had a very wrong view about the world, but he was common sense. It was just all about his wrong view and because of that he didn't know what to do and from what to start to change It.

um hello, have you seen his manifesto? he killed a bunch of people, it's not some innocuous mental disorder. his parents have sent him to multiple therapists, and yet you blame them before even reading about it. then you make it seem like i'm some sort of troll. wtf?

[gagalady]

I read his story a bit and If I didn't miss anything It's pretty much parents fault, that kid just needed help, like psychologist who would guide and give him suggestions on how to change his life. He just didn't have enough experience to understand that himself. There Is saying : Smart people will try to adapt to the world, unsmart people will try to change the world, thinking that their truth Is the only one and other people are wrong. And even worse is to wait till the world will "change" doing nothing and that's what that kid did. He waited till his life will change while he just waits? He wasnt wide minded enough to change his life in to a happy life. He just needed someone to guide him and parents didn't get him to psychologist?

that's pretty unfair to just point the finger towards his parents. how do you think it would upend their lives knowing that their son has a mental illness? they can't babysit him 24/7.. even if they wanted to, he probably wouldn't let it happen and would likely act out.

That's pretty stupid thing to say, sorry. If there Is a problem you just leave It till this happens? Till 7 people dead? Or get him help to get a happy life? Which was possible in my opinion. He had no support and help If this happened. There is special institutions for people like these.

Yeah, you can't just blame the parents everytime. The guy had issues and was seeing various shrinks since he was about 8-years-old I believe. Some people just can't be helped or stopped from going crazy/doing crazy shit.


yeah i think not enough consideration is given to the parents of these special needs people. their lives are upended, and they are constantly worrying something bad will happen. if i were a parent with a child like that, it would exhaust me.. i wouldn't have my own free time, and i would feel responsible for that child's every mishap.

Your views are pretty strange on this, The best thing the parents could do for their Kid is get him to psychologist and maybe there would be no 7 people dead now. You say parents want to have their free time? They must not to care about their kid at all then.

they sent him to therapists. it's funny that you think sending someone with a mental illness will cure everything. now it's all his parents' fault.

Well, It's hard to judge then, but from what I read in his story I wouldn't say that he had "BIG" mental illness, from what I read I would just call It a problem - mental illness which could be solved.

His view on girls was pretty strange, like he wanted hot chicks that he couldn't get? There are so many people who wants hot chicks but can't get them because of their "bad" look or bad communication skills but they don't give a big fak about It.

I just see that he had a very wrong view about the world, but he was common sense. It was just all about his wrong view and because of that he didn't know what to do and from what to start to change It.

um hello, have you seen his manifesto? he killed a bunch of people, it's not some innocuous mental disorder. his parents have sent him to multiple therapists, and yet you blame them before even reading about it. then you make it seem like i'm some sort of troll. wtf?

Yes, what he did is terrible. But look, what did he want? He wanted attention , girls , friends and wasn't that achievable? He just didn't know how to attract them for several years till It came to 7 people death. With hard work It was possible to change It but now It's to late, there are many many people with problems like this, but they just don't take It so sensitive but It also often ends in killing them self. But of course I agree It was mental illness but much mental illness are healed.

[beetcoin]

I read his story a bit and If I didn't miss anything It's pretty much parents fault, that kid just needed help, like psychologist who would guide and give him suggestions on how to change his life. He just didn't have enough experience to understand that himself. There Is saying : Smart people will try to adapt to the world, unsmart people will try to change the world, thinking that their truth Is the only one and other people are wrong. And even worse is to wait till the world will "change" doing nothing and that's what that kid did. He waited till his life will change while he just waits? He wasnt wide minded enough to change his life in to a happy life. He just needed someone to guide him and parents didn't get him to psychologist?

that's pretty unfair to just point the finger towards his parents. how do you think it would upend their lives knowing that their son has a mental illness? they can't babysit him 24/7.. even if they wanted to, he probably wouldn't let it happen and would likely act out.

That's pretty stupid thing to say, sorry. If there Is a problem you just leave It till this happens? Till 7 people dead? Or get him help to get a happy life? Which was possible in my opinion. He had no support and help If this happened. There is special institutions for people like these.

Yeah, you can't just blame the parents everytime. The guy had issues and was seeing various shrinks since he was about 8-years-old I believe. Some people just can't be helped or stopped from going crazy/doing crazy shit.


yeah i think not enough consideration is given to the parents of these special needs people. their lives are upended, and they are constantly worrying something bad will happen. if i were a parent with a child like that, it would exhaust me.. i wouldn't have my own free time, and i would feel responsible for that child's every mishap.

Your views are pretty strange on this, The best thing the parents could do for their Kid is get him to psychologist and maybe there would be no 7 people dead now. You say parents want to have their free time? They must not to care about their kid at all then.

they sent him to therapists. it's funny that you think sending someone with a mental illness will cure everything. now it's all his parents' fault.

Well, It's hard to judge then, but from what I read in his story I wouldn't say that he had "BIG" mental illness, from what I read I would just call It a problem - mental illness which could be solved.

His view on girls was pretty strange, like he wanted hot chicks that he couldn't get? There are so many people who wants hot chicks but can't get them because of their "bad" look or bad communication skills but they don't give a big fak about It.

I just see that he had a very wrong view about the world, but he was common sense. It was just all about his wrong view and because of that he didn't know what to do and from what to start to change It.

um hello, have you seen his manifesto? he killed a bunch of people, it's not some innocuous mental disorder. his parents have sent him to multiple therapists, and yet you blame them before even reading about it. then you make it seem like i'm some sort of troll. wtf?

Yes, what he did is terrible. But look, what did he want? He wanted attention , girls , friends and wasn't that achievable? He just didn't know how to attract them for several years till It came to 7 people death. With hard work It was possible to change It but now It's to late, there are many many people with problems like this, but they just don't take It so sensitive but It also often ends in killing them self. But of course I gree It was mental illness but much mental illness are healed.

i think you're having problems understanding the situation here. the underlying issue is not that he wanted the girls, it's that he was mentally ill and psychotic. the girls thing, while it played a part, was just his excuse to manifest his craziness.

[gagalady]

I read his story a bit and If I didn't miss anything It's pretty much parents fault, that kid just needed help, like psychologist who would guide and give him suggestions on how to change his life. He just didn't have enough experience to understand that himself. There Is saying : Smart people will try to adapt to the world, unsmart people will try to change the world, thinking that their truth Is the only one and other people are wrong. And even worse is to wait till the world will "change" doing nothing and that's what that kid did. He waited till his life will change while he just waits? He wasnt wide minded enough to change his life in to a happy life. He just needed someone to guide him and parents didn't get him to psychologist?

that's pretty unfair to just point the finger towards his parents. how do you think it would upend their lives knowing that their son has a mental illness? they can't babysit him 24/7.. even if they wanted to, he probably wouldn't let it happen and would likely act out.

That's pretty stupid thing to say, sorry. If there Is a problem you just leave It till this happens? Till 7 people dead? Or get him help to get a happy life? Which was possible in my opinion. He had no support and help If this happened. There is special institutions for people like these.

Yeah, you can't just blame the parents everytime. The guy had issues and was seeing various shrinks since he was about 8-years-old I believe. Some people just can't be helped or stopped from going crazy/doing crazy shit.


yeah i think not enough consideration is given to the parents of these special needs people. their lives are upended, and they are constantly worrying something bad will happen. if i were a parent with a child like that, it would exhaust me.. i wouldn't have my own free time, and i would feel responsible for that child's every mishap.

Your views are pretty strange on this, The best thing the parents could do for their Kid is get him to psychologist and maybe there would be no 7 people dead now. You say parents want to have their free time? They must not to care about their kid at all then.

they sent him to therapists. it's funny that you think sending someone with a mental illness will cure everything. now it's all his parents' fault.

Well, It's hard to judge then, but from what I read in his story I wouldn't say that he had "BIG" mental illness, from what I read I would just call It a problem - mental illness which could be solved.

His view on girls was pretty strange, like he wanted hot chicks that he couldn't get? There are so many people who wants hot chicks but can't get them because of their "bad" look or bad communication skills but they don't give a big fak about It.

I just see that he had a very wrong view about the world, but he was common sense. It was just all about his wrong view and because of that he didn't know what to do and from what to start to change It.

um hello, have you seen his manifesto? he killed a bunch of people, it's not some innocuous mental disorder. his parents have sent him to multiple therapists, and yet you blame them before even reading about it. then you make it seem like i'm some sort of troll. wtf?

Yes, what he did is terrible. But look, what did he want? He wanted attention , girls , friends and wasn't that achievable? He just didn't know how to attract them for several years till It came to 7 people death. With hard work It was possible to change It but now It's to late, there are many many people with problems like this, but they just don't take It so sensitive but It also often ends in killing them self. But of course I gree It was mental illness but much mental illness are healed.

i think you're having problems understanding the situation here. the underlying issue is not that he wanted the girls, it's that he was mentally ill and psychotic. the girls thing, while it played a part, was just his excuse to manifest his craziness.

Ok, so If not girls, what did he want?  why he wasn't happy? Was he so much mentally Ill that he really didn't know why he killed 7 people? Like I read that he wanted love, attention like everyone wants and he didn't get that for several years, and that sounds logical or he really didn't know what he is talking about  and It was phsycho talks?

[Remember remember the 5th of November]

Honestly, I understand the guy, I understand what he's going through, I feel that many do. Minus the killing part of course.

[IamCANADIAN013]

he wasn't a bad looking dude.. he probably suffered from some mentally debilitating disorder that caused him to feel ostracized by others.

Gayboy. Haha. That's exactly what I thought, but it doesn't matter how good looking you are if you're just a little creepy and awkward/unhinged. Women won't like that. His parents did say he had mental health problems.

Apparently he had aspergers which is a high functioning form of autism.  My nephew has aspergers and I can tell you, he's very socially awkward.  He has trouble forming relationships with people. He also tends to dwell on the same issue over and over again.  Pretty hard to get any decent conversation going with him.

You won't really get far without decent conversation with women.  One thing I don't get is why he just didn't go to the nightclub and pray on the really drunk fat ones at the end of the night.  They'll give it up to anybody.  

So yeah, maybe he was gay.

He wanted the hot girls which he couldn't get and didn't understand. I was amazed at how he thought having a better car and a flashy lifestyle would make him more attractive when really it probably made him even more standoffish. What wowed me the most was how he would stalk people and hate that a ugly guys was with a hot girl and vise versa, he really needed a flesh light or blow up doll instead of a gun..

I'm pretty sure that kind of thinking comes with aspergers. My nephew thinks the same way.  He figures wealth and flashy things will get him the attention he wants, even though, he has trouble accepting attention and being close to people.

It's a really weird syndrome to deal with, and I'm talking from the family side of it.  I can only imagine the struggles within  for a person with aspergers.

[TaunSew]

he wasn't a bad looking dude.. he probably suffered from some mentally debilitating disorder that caused him to feel ostracized by others.

Gayboy. Haha. That's exactly what I thought, but it doesn't matter how good looking you are if you're just a little creepy and awkward/unhinged. Women won't like that. His parents did say he had mental health problems.

Apparently he had aspergers which is a high functioning form of autism.  My nephew has aspergers and I can tell you, he's very socially awkward.  He has trouble forming relationships with people. He also tends to dwell on the same issue over and over again.  Pretty hard to get any decent conversation going with him.

You won't really get far without decent conversation with women.  One thing I don't get is why he just didn't go to the nightclub and pray on the really drunk fat ones at the end of the night.  They'll give it up to anybody.  

So yeah, maybe he was gay.

He wanted the hot girls which he couldn't get and didn't understand. I was amazed at how he thought having a better car and a flashy lifestyle would make him more attractive when really it probably made him even more standoffish. What wowed me the most was how he would stalk people and hate that a ugly guys was with a hot girl and vise versa, he really needed a flesh light or blow up doll instead of a gun..

I'm pretty sure that kind of thinking comes with aspergers. My nephew thinks the same way.  He figures wealth and flashy things will get him the attention he wants, even though, he has trouble accepting attention and being close to people.

It's a really weird syndrome to deal with, and I'm talking from the family side of it.  I can only imagine the struggles within  for a person with aspergers.

People with aspergers have seen his video and concluded he neither had aspergers or autism.

More probable that Eliott had stunted social skills.  For instance, despite browsing PUA websites, he himself never embraced the main principle of PUA - mass approach.   The most famous pickup artists admit they have to approach dozens of women until they find the one woman who'll say yes.  The way to getting women is, frankly, not to give a shi1t about other people's opinions but Eliott cared too much what others thought.

Pickup Artists got banned from a mall in Toronto since they advertise that location to other PUA who then converged on mass and every woman complained about being approached every 30 seconds.

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/blogs-and-comment/toronto-eaton-centre-is-cracking-down-on-pick-up-artists-tweet-suggests/

 

[beetcoin]

he wasn't a bad looking dude.. he probably suffered from some mentally debilitating disorder that caused him to feel ostracized by others.

Gayboy. Haha. That's exactly what I thought, but it doesn't matter how good looking you are if you're just a little creepy and awkward/unhinged. Women won't like that. His parents did say he had mental health problems.

Apparently he had aspergers which is a high functioning form of autism.  My nephew has aspergers and I can tell you, he's very socially awkward.  He has trouble forming relationships with people. He also tends to dwell on the same issue over and over again.  Pretty hard to get any decent conversation going with him.

You won't really get far without decent conversation with women.  One thing I don't get is why he just didn't go to the nightclub and pray on the really drunk fat ones at the end of the night.  They'll give it up to anybody.  

So yeah, maybe he was gay.

He wanted the hot girls which he couldn't get and didn't understand. I was amazed at how he thought having a better car and a flashy lifestyle would make him more attractive when really it probably made him even more standoffish. What wowed me the most was how he would stalk people and hate that a ugly guys was with a hot girl and vise versa, he really needed a flesh light or blow up doll instead of a gun..

I'm pretty sure that kind of thinking comes with aspergers. My nephew thinks the same way.  He figures wealth and flashy things will get him the attention he wants, even though, he has trouble accepting attention and being close to people.

It's a really weird syndrome to deal with, and I'm talking from the family side of it.  I can only imagine the struggles within  for a person with aspergers.

People with aspergers have seen his video and concluded he neither had aspergers or autism.

More probable that Eliott had stunted social skills.  For instance, despite browsing PUA websites, he himself never embraced the main principle of PUA - mass approach.   The most famous pickup artists admit they have to approach dozens of women until they find the one woman who'll say yes.  The way to getting women is, frankly, not to give a shi1t about other people's opinions but Eliott cared too much what others thought.

Pickup Artists got banned from a mall in Toronto since they advertise that location to other PUA who then converged on mass and every woman complained about being approached every 30 seconds.

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/blogs-and-comment/toronto-eaton-centre-is-cracking-down-on-pick-up-artists-tweet-suggests/

 

i'm no expert, but i didn't think it seemed like aspergers or autism. schizophrenia, or some egoistical disorder where he enters his own reality apart from the rest of the world make more sense.

[tooil]

Spoiled kids out of control in the West.

They need to understand basic respect and only keep what they earn.

[aatrox]

The kid was definitely a whack job and I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about how it was a mass shooting.  He killed 3 with a knife. More fear mongering to push the anti gun agenda. If this brainwashing continues, it's only going to be a matter where only cops will have guns.  

I already hear all the time from the younger generation that guns cause war.  Apparently thats what they are learning in school nowadays.

When all the guns are removed from the people, you can guarantee we will become slaves.

This is the real problem:

http://rackjite.com/wp-content/uploads/r91813gun.jpg http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/guns-health-care-82880109353.jpeg

We need some more reinforcement on purchasing guns.. esp when certain states dont even have you need paper work.

[unpure]

The government wants gun control to keep population in check.

[IamCANADIAN013]

he wasn't a bad looking dude.. he probably suffered from some mentally debilitating disorder that caused him to feel ostracized by others.

Gayboy. Haha. That's exactly what I thought, but it doesn't matter how good looking you are if you're just a little creepy and awkward/unhinged. Women won't like that. His parents did say he had mental health problems.

Apparently he had aspergers which is a high functioning form of autism.  My nephew has aspergers and I can tell you, he's very socially awkward.  He has trouble forming relationships with people. He also tends to dwell on the same issue over and over again.  Pretty hard to get any decent conversation going with him.

You won't really get far without decent conversation with women.  One thing I don't get is why he just didn't go to the nightclub and pray on the really drunk fat ones at the end of the night.  They'll give it up to anybody.  

So yeah, maybe he was gay.

He wanted the hot girls which he couldn't get and didn't understand. I was amazed at how he thought having a better car and a flashy lifestyle would make him more attractive when really it probably made him even more standoffish. What wowed me the most was how he would stalk people and hate that a ugly guys was with a hot girl and vise versa, he really needed a flesh light or blow up doll instead of a gun..

I'm pretty sure that kind of thinking comes with aspergers. My nephew thinks the same way.  He figures wealth and flashy things will get him the attention he wants, even though, he has trouble accepting attention and being close to people.

It's a really weird syndrome to deal with, and I'm talking from the family side of it.  I can only imagine the struggles within  for a person with aspergers.

People with aspergers have seen his video and concluded he neither had aspergers or autism.

More probable that Eliott had stunted social skills.  For instance, despite browsing PUA websites, he himself never embraced the main principle of PUA - mass approach.   The most famous pickup artists admit they have to approach dozens of women until they find the one woman who'll say yes.  The way to getting women is, frankly, not to give a shi1t about other people's opinions but Eliott cared too much what others thought.

Pickup Artists got banned from a mall in Toronto since they advertise that location to other PUA who then converged on mass and every woman complained about being approached every 30 seconds.

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/blogs-and-comment/toronto-eaton-centre-is-cracking-down-on-pick-up-artists-tweet-suggests/

 

Oh really, I was unaware of that.  I didn't really watch much of the video, had to stop watching. Mostly just read his manifesto. Aspergers fit though with his messed up reasoning.  I used to have this one friend, his nickname was "The relentless"  He would walk down the bar at the night club and ask every women to dance, wouldn't matter if he got shot down, he would keep going until he either danced or ran out of women, LOL!

I see it more and more these days with the younger generation.  Social media and video games are killing their social skills.  They don't know how to interact with each other in person anymore.  Gone are days of talking in a social setting, they sit locked to their cell phones and/or tablets.

The kid was definitely a whack job and I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about how it was a mass shooting.  He killed 3 with a knife. More fear mongering to push the anti gun agenda. If this brainwashing continues, it's only going to be a matter where only cops will have guns. 

I already hear all the time from the younger generation that guns cause war.  Apparently thats what they are learning in school nowadays.

When all the guns are removed from the people, you can guarantee we will become slaves.

This is the real problem:

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We need some more reinforcement on purchasing guns.. esp when certain states dont even have you need paper work.

There does need to be some kind of background check, obvious ones more strict than what happened in this case. My understanding in California is that you go in, have to fill out some paperwork to the DOJ, and wait 10 days while they do a background check.

I know Americans hate the idea, but they need to adopt similar laws like we have in Canada. Now I am only talking about the laws when it comes to obtaining firearms, the rest of the firearms laws up here are ridiculous!

I had to take 2 courses, one to own non restricted weapons (rifles) and own to own restricted weapons (handguns) Each course has 2 tests, written and practical.  You need to get over 80% on both tests.  You then have to fill this out and send it in the the RCMP: http://cfa-ltd.ca/files/921-eng.pdf.

You wait roughly 45 days for you to get a license, if you pass the requirements.

You can then go to the gun store and purchase your firearm.  You fill out some more forms and wait for those to go through, roughly a couple weeks.  We also have to keep all handguns unloaded, trigger locked and locked in a case or safe.

The gun laws in Canada are getting out of hand though.  It comes down to the fact the RCMP and government want to remove all guns from the responsible gun owners.  I guess they somehow figure criminals will listen.

[gagalady]

The kid was definitely a whack job and I'm getting sick and tired of hearing about how it was a mass shooting.  He killed 3 with a knife. More fear mongering to push the anti gun agenda. If this brainwashing continues, it's only going to be a matter where only cops will have guns.  

I already hear all the time from the younger generation that guns cause war.  Apparently thats what they are learning in school nowadays.

When all the guns are removed from the people, you can guarantee we will become slaves.

This is the real problem:

We need some more reinforcement on purchasing guns.. esp when certain states dont even have you need paper work.

You think guns Is the problem? He decided to kill people he could of done It with knife, no need guns, that's not a problem. Problem Is psychological  and that's what psychologists are for, It all about the person not guns at least in my opinion.

[hilariousandco]

He did kill some people with knives, but how many mass school knifing rampages do you hear about people going on? You can't compare knives to guns in this respect.

And you keep referring to psychologist and therapists as if they could've somehow prevented this. Seeing one doesn't magically cure you of your illness or mental instability.

[gagalady]

He did kill some people with knives, but how many mass school knifing rampages do you hear about people going on? You can't compare knives to guns in this respect.

And you keep referring to psychologist and therapists as if they could've somehow prevented this. Seeing one doesn't magically cure you of your illness or mental instability.

Why you think psychologist can't help? They know all the levels and forms of depressions or Illness If they decided that the person can't take care of him self and live normal life they would probably take him to hospital where he would see therapists and psychologists everyday , he would get medicine everyday. If they decided that the person needs care from other people government should take care of him in institutions like hospitals or other special institutions they just can't leave them on their own because things like these happen.

[hilariousandco]

He did kill some people with knives, but how many mass school knifing rampages do you hear about people going on? You can't compare knives to guns in this respect.

And you keep referring to psychologist and therapists as if they could've somehow prevented this. Seeing one doesn't magically cure you of your illness or mental instability.

Why you think psychologist can't help? They know all the levels and forms of depressions or Illness If they decided that the person can't take care of him self and live normal life they would probably take him to hospital where he would see therapists and psychologists everyday , he would get medicine everyday. If they decided that the person needs care from other people government should take care of him in institutions like hospitals or other special institutions they just can't leave them on their own because things like these happen.

Sure they could help, but most nutters aren't going to admit they're going to go on a killing spree to them in advance so there's nothing they can do. And he could take care of himself. You cant just lock people up without good reason. Nobody thought he was a danger to others apart from shortly before the incident. And you don't go see a therapist and then they give you some drugs and then you're magically no longer a danger to society.

[RodeoX]

When someone is killed with a hammer no one wants a hammer ban. Yet if it's a gun, then the gun must be at fault. Perhaps it gives people a sense of control to blame a gun rather than face the fact that psychopathic monsters walk among us. If this nut had no access to guns he would have run his victims over with a car or something.
Murder is a common and widespread human behavior. Guns have nothing to do with that. There will always be such people and the best we can do is help them when we can, and help ourselves when we fail.   

[akali]

I`m still kind of shocked that this event ever happened.

The dude was well off then most people in america, and yet this happens? I didnt read his long 8 pages of about his age details, so I`m glazing over things but in life there is always options..

[hilariousandco]

When someone is killed with a hammer no one wants a hammer ban. Yet if it's a gun, then the gun must be at fault. Perhaps it gives people a sense of control to blame a gun rather than face the fact that psychopathic monsters walk among us. If this nut had no access to guns he would have run his victims over with a car or something.
Murder is a common and widespread human behavior. Guns have nothing to do with that. There will always be such people and the best we can do is help them when we can, and help ourselves when we fail.   

There's a huge difference between a hammer and a gun. How many hammer spree killings have there been in America? Now I'm just playing devils advocate here, but does America allow people to own rocket launchers and grenades and anti-aircraft guns amongst other things? If murder is part of us then should we be allowed to murder away with any weapons we choose?

[nickenburg]

When someone is killed with a hammer no one wants a hammer ban. Yet if it's a gun, then the gun must be at fault. Perhaps it gives people a sense of control to blame a gun rather than face the fact that psychopathic monsters walk among us. If this nut had no access to guns he would have run his victims over with a car or something.
Murder is a common and widespread human behavior. Guns have nothing to do with that. There will always be such people and the best we can do is help them when we can, and help ourselves when we fail.   

I think that guns cause people to just grab the gun and kill other people with it very easily, maybe if they didn't have acces to a gun so easily they wouldve just jumped infront of the train.
Here in The Netherlands we had a gun shooting incident a few years ago, it also was a guy that had easily acces to guns because his father was a member of the gunshooting range.
And ofcourse guns has to do with that, its the best tool designed to hurt/kill people fast, If all the people that jumped infront of the trains in The Netherlands would have easy acces to a gun, atleast 1 wouldve grabbed it, and kill more people with it instead just himself.

[oureptsC]

When someone is killed with a hammer no one wants a hammer ban. Yet if it's a gun, then the gun must be at fault. Perhaps it gives people a sense of control to blame a gun rather than face the fact that psychopathic monsters walk among us. If this nut had no access to guns he would have run his victims over with a car or something.
Murder is a common and widespread human behavior. Guns have nothing to do with that. There will always be such people and the best we can do is help them when we can, and help ourselves when we fail.   

I think that guns cause people to just grab the gun and kill other people with it very easily, maybe if they didn't have acces to a gun so easily they wouldve just jumped infront of the train.
Here in The Netherlands we had a gun shooting incident a few years ago, it also was a guy that had easily acces to guns because his father was a member of the gunshooting range.
And ofcourse guns has to do with that, its the best tool designed to hurt/kill people fast, If all the people that jumped infront of the trains in The Netherlands would have easy acces to a gun, atleast 1 wouldve grabbed it, and kill more people with it instead just himself.

I don't think so that If he couldn't buy a gun he would just of killed himself by just jumping in front of the train. He wanted to kill those people to "revenge'' that girls ignored him. Yes It Is easier to kill with gun and you can kill more with gun but If he was about to kill people no guns wouldn't of stopped him he would just knifed few or made homemade bomb or something else there is so much options  prohibiting guns wouldn't be a solution I think If psycho decided to kill he will and probably no one will stop him.

[nickenburg]

When someone is killed with a hammer no one wants a hammer ban. Yet if it's a gun, then the gun must be at fault. Perhaps it gives people a sense of control to blame a gun rather than face the fact that psychopathic monsters walk among us. If this nut had no access to guns he would have run his victims over with a car or something.
Murder is a common and widespread human behavior. Guns have nothing to do with that. There will always be such people and the best we can do is help them when we can, and help ourselves when we fail.   

I think that guns cause people to just grab the gun and kill other people with it very easily, maybe if they didn't have acces to a gun so easily they wouldve just jumped infront of the train.
Here in The Netherlands we had a gun shooting incident a few years ago, it also was a guy that had easily acces to guns because his father was a member of the gunshooting range.
And ofcourse guns has to do with that, its the best tool designed to hurt/kill people fast, If all the people that jumped infront of the trains in The Netherlands would have easy acces to a gun, atleast 1 wouldve grabbed it, and kill more people with it instead just himself.

I don't think so that If he couldn't buy a gun he would just of killed himself by just jumping in front of the train. He wanted to kill those people to "revenge'' that girls ignored him. Yes It Is easier to kill with gun and you can kill more with gun but If he was about to kill people no guns wouldn't of stopped him he would just knifed few or made homemade bomb or something else there is so much options  prohibiting guns wouldn't be a solution I think If psycho decided to kill he will and probably no one will stop him.

Ofcourse people who are really crazy and want to kill alot of people will do that.
But when you dont have acces to a gun at all and it's really hard to find one in your country to.
It's a totally different story because the option to kill people with a gun isnt even a option because you cant get a gun.
Ofcourse you could get a big knife and stab people and the real crazy will do that, but for a few people I think killing with a gun is much easier then with a knife!
Just because with a knife kill you have to be close to the victim and stab him it's much harder up close and personal.
Plus the victim can defend himself much easier, then with shooting with a gun from a distance.

[oureptsC]

When someone is killed with a hammer no one wants a hammer ban. Yet if it's a gun, then the gun must be at fault. Perhaps it gives people a sense of control to blame a gun rather than face the fact that psychopathic monsters walk among us. If this nut had no access to guns he would have run his victims over with a car or something.
Murder is a common and widespread human behavior. Guns have nothing to do with that. There will always be such people and the best we can do is help them when we can, and help ourselves when we fail.  

I think that guns cause people to just grab the gun and kill other people with it very easily, maybe if they didn't have acces to a gun so easily they wouldve just jumped infront of the train.
Here in The Netherlands we had a gun shooting incident a few years ago, it also was a guy that had easily acces to guns because his father was a member of the gunshooting range.
And ofcourse guns has to do with that, its the best tool designed to hurt/kill people fast, If all the people that jumped infront of the trains in The Netherlands would have easy acces to a gun, atleast 1 wouldve grabbed it, and kill more people with it instead just himself.

I don't think so that If he couldn't buy a gun he would just of killed himself by just jumping in front of the train. He wanted to kill those people to "revenge'' that girls ignored him. Yes It Is easier to kill with gun and you can kill more with gun but If he was about to kill people no guns wouldn't of stopped him he would just knifed few or made homemade bomb or something else there is so much options  prohibiting guns wouldn't be a solution I think If psycho decided to kill he will and probably no one will stop him.

Ofcourse people who are really crazy and want to kill alot of people will do that.
But when you dont have acces to a gun at all and it's really hard to find one in your country to.
It's a totally different story because the option to kill people with a gun isnt even a option because you cant get a gun.
Ofcourse you could get a big knife and stab people and the real crazy will do that, but for a few people I think killing with a gun is much easier then with a knife!
Just because with a knife kill you have to be close to the victim and stab him it's much harder up close and personal.
Plus the victim can defend himself much easier, then with shooting with a gun from a distance.

Yes but what I wanted to say in conclusion that there are and there will always be psycho people like in this situation and how Is It possible to stop them ? prohibiting weapons? Ok, he'll make a bomb then which will take even more lifes off. Till we'll have psycho people we can't prevent this. In case we would prohibit to buy all the dangerous materials used to make bombs all the weapons even knifes, which you could get only with license?

[DolanDuck]

In addition to his extreme narcissism, the thing that really left me amazed is all its own set of arguments like: "I ​​own 300 Dollarz glasses so all girls must be mine."

I wonder how a man can have thoughts that are so materialistic. Parents? TV america?

[oureptsC]

In addition to his extreme narcissism, the thing that really left me amazed is all its own set of arguments like: "I ​​own 300 Dollarz glasses so all girls must be mine."

I wonder how a man can have thoughts that are so materialistic. Parents? TV america?

Firstly I didn't fully understand If he is sane minded or he had BIG psychological problems , I bet he did so he was a psycho (Ill minded)

I don't think It's TV and I don't know about the parents. But indeed It's naive thinking that If you have money you have everything. Well actually you can buy almost anything for money except love. He could of bought a hooker. But he can't buy feelings. He just was with injured mind and of course his thinking was totally wrong.

[RodeoX]

When someone is killed with a hammer ...

I think that guns cause people to just grab the gun and kill other people with it very easily, maybe if they didn't have acces to a gun so easily they wouldve just jumped infront of the train.
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I don't think so that If he couldn't buy a gun he would just of killed himself by just jumping in front of the train.. ..

Ofcourse people who are really crazy and want to kill alot of people...

Yes but what I wanted to say in conclusion...

Interesting discussion. I think thous of us who were raised around guns our whole life do not see the gun as anything special. People I know who were grew up in cities only hear about guns in association with violence and think of guns as having some kind of power over the user. For example "I think that guns cause people to just grab the gun and kill other people..." or "we were fighting and the gun went off". (The latter is what people guilty of murder say in court.)
If you and all your friends have guns growing up, then you think more about the actions of the shooter and what he/she did wrong. The gun did not make all this pain happen. The gun was deliberately loaded, chambered, aimed and fired by a person who chose to do that. It is that persons fault and they should pay for it.
My understanding is that this particular shooter first killed three people with a knife. So where is the knife ban? He killed just as many with his knife. But there wont be a knife ban simply because we all own knives and it seems like an irrelevant factor. Well, that is what a gun ban looks like to us who also own guns. A distraction from the actions of the killer.

[efreeti]

In addition to his extreme narcissism, the thing that really left me amazed is all its own set of arguments like: "I ​​own 300 Dollarz glasses so all girls must be mine."

I wonder how a man can have thoughts that are so materialistic. Parents? TV america?

TV and materialistic girl.

[gagalady]

When someone is killed with a hammer ...

I think that guns cause people to just grab the gun and kill other people with it very easily, maybe if they didn't have acces to a gun so easily they wouldve just jumped infront of the train.
...

I don't think so that If he couldn't buy a gun he would just of killed himself by just jumping in front of the train.. ..

Ofcourse people who are really crazy and want to kill alot of people...

Yes but what I wanted to say in conclusion...

Interesting discussion. I think thous of us who were raised around guns our whole life do not see the gun as anything special. People I know who were grew up in cities only hear about guns in association with violence and think of guns as having some kind of power over the user. For example "I think that guns cause people to just grab the gun and kill other people..." or "we were fighting and the gun went off". (The latter is what people guilty of murder say in court.)
If you and all your friends have guns growing up, then you think more about the actions of the shooter and what he/she did wrong. The gun did not make all this pain happen. The gun was deliberately loaded, chambered, aimed and fired by a person who chose to do that. It is that persons fault and they should pay for it.
My understanding is that this particular shooter first killed three people with a knife. So where is the knife ban? He killed just as many with his knife. But there wont be a knife ban simply because we all own knives and it seems like an irrelevant factor. Well, that is what a gun ban looks like to us who also own guns. A distraction from the actions of the killer.

Exactly, gun banning would be just the same as banning knifes but even If knifes banned you can find or make your self a sharp thing enough to kill, If you want to kill you can find anything even with a wooden staff you can kill or even with your bare hands. So the weapons or Items are not a problem , we need to work more with people so they would be happier with their life but there will always be people with ill mind, so It's just even some kind of natural thing, we have a lot of bad and good things on this world and that's what It's made of.