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May 30, 2014, 06:04:03 AM
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Thread title is incorrect Dan  Cool

Darkcoin vs Fedoracoin PumnDump Shitclone.

Thanks for making a fool out of any competition for Darkcoin going forward too. This was a great advertisement for Darkcoin. Post #5 and Post #9 on Darkcoin thread will be remembered for a very long time. Keep trying. Hopefully you are able to get some sleep some nights.  Grin Grin Good luck to you and your hoodlum pals. You are gonna need it  Tongue

Hey it's slapper Smiley great you could make it, i knew you'd show Smiley  a known hardcore dark supporter.

See how hostile these drk supporters are, i mean you ask a question and they get all grumpy and touchy.

Look slapper my old pal, this is not to drag up the past of drk again. Let's put all that behind us it's been covered enough. I know you probably won't have any answers that contain reason based upon evidence or anything like that, but still let's concentrate on the tech side here.

So again xc vs drk....... which of these will shine over the other when they get implemented to a full working version?

Anyone out there that has studied both concepts and thinks one is better than the other? or are both equally up to the task?

So fedora was first out with the mixer? did it do the job? why has the coin vanished since then. Seems to have died out?

Let's keep it to a serious discussion if possible ..hopefully some devs will turn up to comment.

I don't personally care too much about anon, but still be good to hear different views based upon a deeper understanding of the methods of making tx anon.


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Check this if you have not read it already http://www.coinssource.com/xc-coin-coins-source-exclusive/#comment-647
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May 30, 2014, 09:17:22 AM
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XC COIN VS DARK COIN - THE RACE FOR ANON - WHO WILL WIN?Huh

ANONCOIN for sure Tongue

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May 30, 2014, 09:20:03 AM
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The game is over and darkcoin know it.

XC has delivered more in less time. Dark caused its own problem lately and have no one to blame but themselves but they will refuse to do this or acknowledge it.

Darkcoin times has come, its either put up or gtfo. The days where if all you are is a PR shill monkey and its your coin and you promise so much and deliver so little you will be run out of town - that is what XC is doing right nwo to darkcoin.


Look at them go - they are in the death throes.  Sooner or later XC alone will ride this cesspool of the shit scummy part of society that seem to inherite darkcoin fanboys.


50% instanmine scam ffs.
And minig whole supply in few days like XC how you will called ?
not instamine ? in that matter both are same...
while DRK have much better distribution.

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xc should amazing again ...
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May 30, 2014, 09:42:42 AM
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BOST X13 coin will also have anon soon according to the dev...

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Just a reminder of what comes next (bitshares)

* https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=4699.0

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When SATAN meets TITAN

Recently, core developer Danial Larimer revealed "Secure Payments to Users by Name". He descripes, based on ellyptic
curve cryptography (ECC), how to generate a unique receiving address for a user.  The scheme works as follows:
    Create TempPrivateKey TEMP.PRIVATE_KEY;
    TEMP.PRIVATE_KEY * USER.PUBLIC_KEY  =>  SECRET  =>  ONE_TIME_PRIVATE_KEY  =>  ONE_TIME_ADDRESS
The payee can send his transaction that pays to ONE_TIME_ADDRESS and attaches TEMP.PUBLIC_KEY as message to the transaction.
Every client on the network will be able to perform the following operation:
USER.PRIVATE_KEY * TEMP.PUBLIC_KEY => SECRET => ONE_TIME_PRIVATE_KEY
If  ONE_TIME_PRIVATE_KEY is the one that controls ONE_TIME_ADDRESS  then  user will immediately spend the funds from ONE_TIME_ADDRESS to
a new address because the sender retains the ability to cancel the  transaction.
Note:  

    turns out this  crypto technique already existed and was called   "stealth addresses". The  fact that we re-invented it is good news though!

    However as the DPOS blockchain allowes for adding the TEMP.PUBLIC_KEY as a comment to the transaction, the receiver does not need to brute-force test

    if a particular transaction can be spent by him. This is the case for stealth-addresses

Pros:
The following features result from his proposal:

    no need to exchange addresses, instead a Name can be given

    ability to encode a message and 'from' data into the transaction for payment details

    the receiver is anonymous to everyone but the sender as for each payment a temporary one-time address is generated

    potential to cancel/retract a transfer if it is not accepted in a timely manner, which is impossible for any other transaction. To prevent chargeback the receiver simply wipes his temporary one-time address

    simplifies accounting in the wallet

    generates higher fees and dividends

Cons:
Daniel also listed the basic drawbacks of his approach which are namly:

    Uses more space in the blockchain

    Requires two transactions

    Results in higher fees

Optimized Algorithm
However the first drawback go resolved quickly by the use of hierachical extended public keys.
The basic approach can be seen from Daniels pseudocode:
    dan   => DANS_EXT_PUBLIC_KEY
    scott => SCOTTS_EXT_PUBLIC_KEY
    
    scott:  Generate OneTimePrivateKey & OneTimePublicKey Pair
    scott:  OneTimePrivateKey * DANS_EXT_PUBLIC_KEY => SECRET
                DANS_EXT_PUBLIC_KEY.child( SECRET ) => RECEIVE_PUBLIC_KEY => RECEIVE_ADDRESS
    scott:  RECEIVE_PUBLIC_KEY * SCOTTS_EXT_PRIVATE_KEY => CHECK_SECRET
                                                        => SHORT_HASH(CHECK_SECRET) == SHORT_SIGNATURE
    scott-broadcast:   OneTimePublicKey + RECEIVE_ADDRESS + ENCRYPT( from scott + SHORT_SIGNATURE, SECRET )
    dan:   OneTimePublicKey * DANS_EXT_PRIVATE_KEY => SECRET
              DANS_EXT_PRIVATE_KEY.child( SECRET ) => RECEIVE_PRIVATE_KEY =>
                             => RECEIVE_PUBLIC_KEY => RECEIVE_ADDRESS
    dan:   DECRYPT( data, SECRET ) => "from scott" + SHORT_SIGNATURE
    dan:   SCOTT_EXT_PUBLIC_KEY * RECEIVE_PRIVATE_KEY => CHECK_SECRET => SHORT_HASH(CHECK_SECRET)
This is a variation of stealth addresses (http://www.coindesk.com/stealth-addresses-secret-bitcoin-privacy )   that leverages the
name system to solve the first part of the problem.
Thus, the protocol allows to

    Send Anonymously To Any Name => SATAN

    or Transfer Invisibly to Any Name  => TITAN

Combining this with well-known techniques like CoinJoin (darkcoin) or ring-signatures allowes to completely send and also receive
anonymous transaction
Furthermore, these recent updates shed light to the power of Keyhotee as then
the use of name@xts can address individuals or DACs.
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May 30, 2014, 11:02:06 AM
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BOST X13 coin will also have anon soon according to the dev...

I hope people learned their lession after cinni, xlb, xc... Al lot talking, but for less than one btc you will not get anon function in your clonecoin... Looks like one group throws a lot of horses in the game and we cannot deny they, untill now, know how to mislead people here. Boost coin ; why would a serious dev put 24 hour volume in title, and change it after each increase (apart from the fact that its not correct at all) ?

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Monero/Fantomcoin, due objectively superior technology.

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it's like a bunch of 10yr olds arguing over their favourite football teams...
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May 30, 2014, 03:58:10 PM
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XC COIN VS DARK COIN - THE RACE FOR ANON - WHO WILL WIN?Huh

ANONCOIN for sure Tongue

anon coin is the oldest one, and i have a bunch i mined at the start. however i don't hear all that much about it lately.

I like the name the best though.

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Both XC and DARK should do well, despite the idiotic impact their partisan trolls are having in driving potential buyers away.

We need a couple anonymity coins using different methods. We don't want all our eggs in one basket if/when some vulnerability appears. So consumers, businesses and so forth should welcome the competition and support all serious anonymity coins. No FUD, just duke it out competitively and may the best coins win.

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Darkcoin has a great name and logo. The downside to Darkcoin, slightly, is the name itself, as is bit scary for some. As it is for the Darknet it really doesn't matter much though, and I think it has great branding. The DRK master nodes are a great idea as well but will require networking experts only, or they will be hacked as we have already seen. I am confident Evan and his new team will be successful in time with the tech and get everything working smoothly. Instamine for DRK, or XC using some temp code, whatever, the end results for each coin are what counts most.

The advantage XC could have is if the Xnodes end up more user friendly or more secure. If they do, and everyone can run an Xnode, that could increase demand and scarcity for XC. Certainly most can't afford to run a Darknode and most lack the skill, so to me this could increase the popularity of XC. XC does has an innovative coder that *is* making something entirely new. (using existing tech in innovative ways) The next phase being tested now is what will matter. Not the mixer that isn't that special obviously. (isn't that special for DRK either, without everything else)

Dark has a big lead, but also a very inflated market cap. It has farther to fall it something goes really wrong. XC *potentially* could gain more if it ends up with a comparable or superior solution. Is Evan a better coder than Dan? Is Dan more creative? Who knows... Dan has 20 years experience and seems fully capable though. I have worked with small teams of creative techs, and underestimating his abilities is likely an error some are making. Evan has a had a lot of time to polish things up and make it not as sloppy as it was when it started. Besides, if Dan wasn't for real he would have already given up. He doesn't seem to be giving up at all.

Anyway, Darkcoin already sort of won, so, more a matter of if XC will win as well.

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Both XC and DARK should do well, despite the idiotic impact their partisan trolls are having in driving potential buyers away.

We need a couple anonymity coins using different methods. We don't want all our eggs in one basket if/when some vulnerability appears. So consumers, businesses and so forth should welcome the competition and support all serious anonymity coins. No FUD, just duke it out competitively and may the best coins win.

Well said. The FUD really hurts both coins in the end. It drives away new people and creates blowback.

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Both XC and DARK should do well, despite the idiotic impact their partisan trolls are having in driving potential buyers away.

We need a couple anonymity coins using different methods. We don't want all our eggs in one basket if/when some vulnerability appears. So consumers, businesses and so forth should welcome the competition and support all serious anonymity coins. No FUD, just duke it out competitively and may the best coins win.
and the answer is darkwallet Smiley

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Both XC and DARK should do well, despite the idiotic impact their partisan trolls are having in driving potential buyers away.

We need a couple anonymity coins using different methods. We don't want all our eggs in one basket if/when some vulnerability appears. So consumers, businesses and so forth should welcome the competition and support all serious anonymity coins. No FUD, just duke it out competitively and may the best coins win.
and the answer is darkwallet Smiley
Not according to darkwallet Wink

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Both XC and DARK should do well, despite the idiotic impact their partisan trolls are having in driving potential buyers away.

We need a couple anonymity coins using different methods. We don't want all our eggs in one basket if/when some vulnerability appears. So consumers, businesses and so forth should welcome the competition and support all serious anonymity coins. No FUD, just duke it out competitively and may the best coins win.
and the answer is darkwallet Smiley
Not according to darkwallet Wink

Amir Taaki ‏@AmirTaaki May 23
#darkcoin implementing ring signatures + 3rd biggest crypto soon 2nd. v active main dev inspiring investors. gg #DRK @DarkcoinCrypto

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