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June 12, 2014, 09:26:53 AM
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All form of societies eventually lead to crony type system.

Asset will be given to children and close family regardless of their work attitude and talent.
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June 12, 2014, 10:06:17 AM
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IMO it does not matter on the Socialism/Capitalism debate. A wise man once said the Poor will always be among us. Either way Government does not have the answers and I rather not give up my freedoms. Any society that gives people the freedoms and rights to choose their own fate is the way to go.

Amen Brother Smiley

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June 12, 2014, 10:44:00 AM
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Sweet, a socialism debate =D

Socialism is the opposite of Republicanism.  Capitalism is a financial system.

Socialism = People Above All
Republicanism = God Above All
Tyranny = Government Above All

The place where God isn't, is called HELL and the one in hell is a TYRANT!!

Capitalism is the opposite of giving a crap for the sake of selling out for money, nowadays.  Capitalism is about bringing people together to strengthen businesses and build an economy between people and businesses.  People buy good and get hired by businesses.  In socialism, the government uses the people to build more governmental assets instead of people building a life for themselves.  In sort, most jobs available are governmental.  In Tyranny, government does as it wishes.

You can't compare a political party with a financial system.  Most of the world is under some kind of political socialism.  Most of Europe and British born nations (CDN, AUS, NZ) live under socialism; they just call it democracy.  It works for them and surely doesn't make everyone happy.  Socialists rejoice of course; that shit don't sell well in U.S. #PiersMorgan

People in those countries need to revolt against the machine if they want a better life, no politician will do anything for them; if not the total opposite.  My mantra is "Give me liberty or give me death".  I live in a "free" country too because I fight for my rights; without making a scene of course, I (unwillingly) live in the British empire so I beat them at their own game every single time.  Outsmart the smart.  That's all I'll say without getting in the historical reality being hidden, people don't like being shown the lie they live, makes them upset...  Socialists...  Never own up, without God, they are filled with fear.

No country ever became free by talking. 

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June 12, 2014, 01:32:43 PM
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IMO it does not matter on the Socialism/Capitalism debate. A wise man once said the Poor will always be among us. Either way Government does not have the answers and I rather not give up my freedoms. Any society that gives people the freedoms and rights to choose their own fate is the way to go.

You still get more freedom with capitalism.
Economical freedom at least.
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June 13, 2014, 02:21:11 AM
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My viewpoint is controversial.

Not everything should be tied to a profit motive, not every cost to a marketplace. I view  Socialism and Capitalism as carbon and iron. Two metals that by themselves are weak but when combined create a alloy called steel.

Volunteer work, modest safety nets are important. But the market place with the exception of life threatening illness is the best way to determine price and thus profit motive is needed. There is no clear answer as to how much carbon or iron should be used to create this form of steel. It changes day to day, week to week and month to month.

My solution to poverty is both. Provide a vibrant economy with a profit motive to  generate small business growth that creates jobs, provide some public services to allow individuals tor recover from catastrophic events.



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June 14, 2014, 10:47:51 PM
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IMO it does not matter on the Socialism/Capitalism debate. A wise man once said the Poor will always be among us. Either way Government does not have the answers and I rather not give up my freedoms. Any society that gives people the freedoms and rights to choose their own fate is the way to go.

Amen Brother Smiley

In theory there will not be poor people in socialism. Everyone would get exactly the same amount of resources regardless of how much you contribute to society.
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June 15, 2014, 07:01:47 AM
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My viewpoint is controversial.

Not everything should be tied to a profit motive, not every cost to a marketplace. I view  Socialism and Capitalism as carbon and iron. Two metals that by themselves are weak but when combined create a alloy called steel.

Volunteer work, modest safety nets are important. But the market place with the exception of life threatening illness is the best way to determine price and thus profit motive is needed. There is no clear answer as to how much carbon or iron should be used to create this form of steel. It changes day to day, week to week and month to month.

My solution to poverty is both. Provide a vibrant economy with a profit motive to  generate small business growth that creates jobs, provide some public services to allow individuals tor recover from catastrophic events.



What level of safety should people have? How much support should they receive after a catastrophic event?

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June 15, 2014, 08:55:48 AM
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June 15, 2014, 12:12:15 PM
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All form of societies eventually lead to crony type system.

Asset will be given to children and close family regardless of their work attitude and talent.

Well in a free society you have to be allowed to give to your children and whoever you like to give to. If you are not allowed to give something away, you don't own it. It is essential to the concept of property.

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June 15, 2014, 12:20:08 PM
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I believe it's socialism and to be more specific, communism.

ONLY, if it was applied in a proper way.

I can't find a solution for poverty in capitalism.

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June 15, 2014, 03:37:12 PM
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The fault lies in human behavior.

Doesn't matter which type of system people choose, there will always be someone going to figure out a way to evade the rules.
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June 15, 2014, 03:41:23 PM
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The problem with pure capitalism is that it provides way too much freedom.
That freedom allows us to form how the worldwide system works.
This combined with the fast that people are ego-centric makes the world unfair.
Conclusion: It's the peoples fault.
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June 15, 2014, 04:47:24 PM
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Capitalism supposedly pays the best, so, it has to have rich and poor!!! No way around it!
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June 15, 2014, 05:00:09 PM
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To have prosperity, we need freedom, property rights, and a social stance that earning money within the rules of free trade is a virtue.

Let it be known, that if some of you commies try to force me from the free market to the extent that my children have to grow up with hunger, sickness and ignorance, I am ready to stop you with forceful self defence.
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June 15, 2014, 05:25:53 PM
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To have prosperity, we need freedom, property rights, and a social stance that earning money within the rules of free trade is a virtue.

Let it be known, that if some of you commies try to force me from the free market to the extent that my children have to grow up with hunger, sickness and ignorance, I am ready to stop you with forceful self defence.

Historically, communist leaders will kill their own people to weed out opposition voice.

Good luck with your forceful self defense.

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June 15, 2014, 06:12:22 PM
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I believe it's socialism and to be more specific, communism.

ONLY, if it was applied in a proper way.

I can't find a solution for poverty in capitalism.

Communism and socialism take away incentives to be creative and create more efficient ways of doing things. 
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June 15, 2014, 06:52:28 PM
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Historically, communist leaders will kill their own people to weed out opposition voice.


All the while, capitalist ones don't???  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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June 15, 2014, 06:54:37 PM
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I believe it's socialism and to be more specific, communism.

ONLY, if it was applied in a proper way.

I can't find a solution for poverty in capitalism.

Communism and socialism take away incentives to be creative and create more efficient ways of doing things. 

I am living in a very creative capitalistic crisis!!! I can tell you it's a real joy!!!
Creativity??? Many people have been creative about how to commit suicide!!!
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June 15, 2014, 09:10:59 PM
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Historically, communist leaders will kill their own people to weed out opposition voice.


All the while, capitalist ones don't???  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Capitalist leaders invade another country.

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June 15, 2014, 09:17:48 PM
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I believe it's socialism and to be more specific, communism.

ONLY, if it was applied in a proper way.

I can't find a solution for poverty in capitalism.

Communism and socialism take away incentives to be creative and create more efficient ways of doing things.  

Intensives are mainly around resource allocation for capitalism though.  Humans want more than a bunch of material things and access to stuff other people cant afford.
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