Solution to poverty - Socialism or Capitalism?

[DaveSaldana123]

Work is the solution of poverty

[gts476]

Work is the solution of poverty

I agree! So in order to eradicate poverty we must eradicate the barriers to work!

All Tax is a barrier to work! Without this business could would have more money to hire more people!

National Minimum wage is a barrier to work! Without this business that are not currently viable because of the wage could exist AND people could accept lower wages for training!

State education laws are a barrier to work! People could be working must sooner if the state didn't jail them in public schools learning Hamlet n shit.

I'm sensing a trend here...... feels like........ seems like....... all this shit is a product of the government!

Fuck guys! We need to get rid of the government to solve poverty!

#666

[Ibian]

Work is the solution of poverty

I agree! So in order to eradicate poverty we must eradicate the barriers to work!

All Tax is a barrier to work! Without this business could would have more money to hire more people!

National Minimum wage is a barrier to work! Without this business that are not currently viable because of the wage could exist AND people could accept lower wages for training!

State education laws are a barrier to work! People could be working must sooner if the state didn't jail them in public schools learning Hamlet n shit.

I'm sensing a trend here...... feels like........ seems like....... all this shit is a product of the government!

Fuck guys! We need to get rid of the government to solve poverty!

#666

Yes. But unfortunately the problem goes a level deeper. Modern socialists can only figure out what they are told to do by authority figures. Their fear of chaos in a government-light scenario is a projection of their own insecurities. In order for a functioning gov-lite society to work, we first need to get rid of more than half the population. The world literally needs to burn down before it can happen.

[GenieBTC]

Work is the solution of poverty

Then government should provide work for all of us..

[ravenno]

socialist country don't usually do a good job of raising children do not really care if they do a good job or not. And the education system do not have accountability.

[gts476]

Work is the solution of poverty

I agree! So in order to eradicate poverty we must eradicate the barriers to work!

All Tax is a barrier to work! Without this business could would have more money to hire more people!

National Minimum wage is a barrier to work! Without this business that are not currently viable because of the wage could exist AND people could accept lower wages for training!

State education laws are a barrier to work! People could be working must sooner if the state didn't jail them in public schools learning Hamlet n shit.

I'm sensing a trend here...... feels like........ seems like....... all this shit is a product of the government!

Fuck guys! We need to get rid of the government to solve poverty!

#666

Yes. But unfortunately the problem goes a level deeper. Modern socialists can only figure out what they are told to do by authority figures. Their fear of chaos in a government-light scenario is a projection of their own insecurities. In order for a functioning gov-lite society to work, we first need to get rid of more than half the population. The world literally needs to burn down before it can happen.

Your absolutely right of course. 

[gjarreau]

Work is the solution of poverty

Then government should provide work for all of us..

They can do that.... put you in a uniform and hand you a rifle.

Some people in the amazon have relatively nothing and are happy. We (USA) have one of everything but we want two.

The best indicator of who will rise from poverty is hard work, and determination. I'm not rich, but I'm not in poverty.... but if I wasn't so lazy, I'd have a lot more :-)

[Hustle2survive]

Work is the solution of poverty

Yeah have fun working when automation has replaced most jobs you genius.

[BCEmporium]

Work is the solution of poverty

Yeah have fun working when automation has replaced most jobs you genius.

And where it didn't you now have rich people paying for work. Like picking up wine grapes for fun...

[gjarreau]

Work is the solution of poverty

Yeah have fun working when automation has replaced most jobs you genius.

And where it didn't you now have rich people paying for work. Like picking up wine grapes for fun...

So you are saying that getting an education and designing automation won't even be a job? What will we do? Sit and play x-box? I think automation frees up labor to do other things. I can't see the future but progress is either good or you can go find a cave.

[BCEmporium]

So you are saying that getting an education and designing automation won't even be a job? What will we do? Sit and play x-box? I think automation frees up labor to do other things. I can't see the future but progress is either good or you can go find a cave.

Frees up labor to do what?
I wish for a world with place for everybody, not just the "automation engineers", and I believe it will be so. Automation requires too much of energy and resources, eventually this will be a problem in a short future.
And not everyone is up to a fully automated World, where you get your McDonald's burger shove into your mouth by a wall mounted mechanical fork. Many still want it to experience a nice meal cooked in a charcoal oven with plain fork, knife and plate...

And then comes the worse nightmare for mankind: The burden of being totally useless. As that's how we feel if one day AI takes over everything, we would be then just a useless pile of bones wondering around.

[Dexter44]

Work is the solution of poverty

Then government should provide work for all of us..

The government should use wisely the tax for the good of the population and not waste our tax buying arms.

[notme]

Solution to poverty = I dont know but automation will kill the current system.

My thoughts:
http://www.yrral.net/log/2014/09/09/automation-capital-labor-deflation-qe/

[DhaniBoy]

not with these two systems, I think is still one more system could be an alternative economic system is an islamic economic system, with its system of zakat, the Islamic economic system can ensure poor people in a country will be reduced, even so there are no more poor people in a country, this is a charity system of cross-subsidy system where the rich will subsidize the poor until the poor are able to meet their needs, zakat system is not only to give money but give a program funded from zakat, the charity receives will run the program so that he can return back the money the charity, so that eventually the receiving charity can be a person who gives alms
hopefully This system could be an alternative system that replaces both the economic system ... 

[gts476]

Work is the solution of poverty

Then government should provide work for all of us..

The government should use wisely the tax for the good of the population and not waste our tax buying arms.

It doesn't use your tax to buy arms, it uses corporation tax to buy arms and fund defence. In fact the defence budget is exactly equal to the amount of revenue harvested through corporation tax.

Wanna know what it uses your tax for? Uses your personal income tax to pay interest on the public debt.

[gts476]

not with these two systems, I think is still one more system could be an alternative economic system is an islamic economic system, with its system of zakat, the Islamic economic system can ensure poor people in a country will be reduced, even so there are no more poor people in a country, this is a charity system of cross-subsidy system where the rich will subsidize the poor until the poor are able to meet their needs, zakat system is not only to give money but give a program funded from zakat, the charity receives will run the program so that he can return back the money the charity, so that eventually the receiving charity can be a person who gives alms
hopefully This system could be an alternative system that replaces both the economic system ...  

there is literally pages of well reasoned arguments about why capitalism solves poverty in here but you start with 'not with these two systems' and end with Islamic modelled economy?

gtfo.

[waterpile]

I only can say is there is no solution for poverty. Lets just face reality

[Erdogan]

I only can say is there is no solution for poverty. Lets just face reality

As long as you define poverty as "less than others have", yes, we will always have poverty.

[BCEmporium]

not with these two systems, I think is still one more system could be an alternative economic system is an islamic economic system, with its system of zakat, the Islamic economic system can ensure poor people in a country will be reduced, even so there are no more poor people in a country, this is a charity system of cross-subsidy system where the rich will subsidize the poor until the poor are able to meet their needs, zakat system is not only to give money but give a program funded from zakat, the charity receives will run the program so that he can return back the money the charity, so that eventually the receiving charity can be a person who gives alms
hopefully This system could be an alternative system that replaces both the economic system ... 

OMFG! We are in the XXI Century, none of the ancient economic systems are alternative to any of ours. That system is designed for a sort of Mercantilism and usually ends up in Feudalism.

Anyway, don't forget to pay your zakat when your camel caravan passes by the Quairish tribe... 

[boumalo]

I only can say is there is no solution for poverty. Lets just face reality

1 billion people got out of extreme poverty in china in the last 30years by chance?