Solution to poverty - Socialism or Capitalism?

[Nicolas Dorier]

But what IS money?
You seam to think money is more than what it actually is. Money is a mere tool to facilitate trade, absolutely nothing else. It even had many shapes along history, gold, salt, copper, silver, paper... and now is mostly a number in a database.
You shouldn't want money, you should want to trade and money is currently the best tool to it.

The best definition ever is from Atlas Shrugged : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkivn_3zn5I

Deep. I need to read Ayn Rand. Thx.

Money defined as a representation of the effort and work of man. A restatement of the energy of man.

You won't regret it, the libertarian bible as I call it, a long read, but definitively change the behavior of whoever read it to the end

[Ibian]

But what IS money?
You seam to think money is more than what it actually is. Money is a mere tool to facilitate trade, absolutely nothing else. It even had many shapes along history, gold, salt, copper, silver, paper... and now is mostly a number in a database.
You shouldn't want money, you should want to trade and money is currently the best tool to it.

The best definition ever is from Atlas Shrugged : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkivn_3zn5I

Deep. I need to read Ayn Rand. Thx.

Money defined as a representation of the effort and work of man. A restatement of the energy of man.

You won't regret it, the libertarian bible as I call it, a long read, but definitively change the behavior of whoever read it to the end

Yeah, but feel free to skip the thirty page speech at the end. Otherwise a good read. I would also suggest reading 1984.

[Nicolas Dorier]

Yeah, but feel free to skip the thirty page speech at the end. Otherwise a good read. I would also suggest reading 1984.

Glad to know I was not the only one bored by the monologue
Does the movie 1984 match the book ? If not, I'll buy the book.

[Ibian]

Yeah, but feel free to skip the thirty page speech at the end. Otherwise a good read. I would also suggest reading 1984.

Glad to know I was not the only one bored by the monologue
Does the movie 1984 match the book ? If not, I'll buy the book.

Never seen the movie, but seen short clips. I'd recommend reading over watching, not just for this one but in general. Movies play whether you are paying attention or not, with books you have to be engaged to get through it. And this one in particular is a very important book.

[Dexter44]

Is not about what kind of government, but what kind of people are in charge: till they are selfish, greedy and dishonest, no government can succeed.

[Nicolas Dorier]

Is not about what kind of government, but what kind of people are in charge: till they are selfish, greedy and dishonest, no government can succeed.

This is precisely what kind of government, libertarian does not believe that it is possible to have a governement not selfish, greedy, and dishonest, this is why we believe minimal power into their hands is better.

[twiifm]

Is not about what kind of government, but what kind of people are in charge: till they are selfish, greedy and dishonest, no government can succeed.

This is precisely what kind of government, libertarian does not believe that it is possible to have a governement not selfish, greedy, and dishonest, this is why we believe minimal power into their hands is better.

Thats incredibly bleak outlook.  Thats why you have checks and balances.  Thats why you have good regulations.  Thats why you have legal framework

The paraadox of your statement is that if these selfish, dishonest people arent in the public sector then theyd just be in the private sector.  Libertarianism is not the solution for bad people problem.  Rules are the solution

[Nicolas Dorier]

Is not about what kind of government, but what kind of people are in charge: till they are selfish, greedy and dishonest, no government can succeed.

This is precisely what kind of government, libertarian does not believe that it is possible to have a governement not selfish, greedy, and dishonest, this is why we believe minimal power into their hands is better.

Thats incredibly bleak outlook.  Thats why you have checks and balances.  Thats why you have good regulations.  Thats why you have legal framework

The paraadox of your statement is that if these selfish, dishonest people arent in the public sector then theyd just be in the private sector.  Libertarianism is not the solution for bad people problem.  Rules are the solution

The law can't be better than the people that decides them... and they are selfish, greedy, and dishonest. (In france, it is almost comical)

[twiifm]

Is not about what kind of government, but what kind of people are in charge: till they are selfish, greedy and dishonest, no government can succeed.

This is precisely what kind of government, libertarian does not believe that it is possible to have a governement not selfish, greedy, and dishonest, this is why we believe minimal power into their hands is better.

Thats incredibly bleak outlook.  Thats why you have checks and balances.  Thats why you have good regulations.  Thats why you have legal framework

The paraadox of your statement is that if these selfish, dishonest people arent in the public sector then theyd just be in the private sector.  Libertarianism is not the solution for bad people problem.  Rules are the solution

The law can't be better than the people that decides them... and they are selfish, greedy, and dishonest. (In france, it is almost comical)

Law is built up over generations.  You have democracy in France? If you think you have the solution then you can get the people to vote you in to office

Even if you want to reduce govt you have to do that

[gts476]

Is not about what kind of government, but what kind of people are in charge: till they are selfish, greedy and dishonest, no government can succeed.

This is precisely what kind of government, libertarian does not believe that it is possible to have a governement not selfish, greedy, and dishonest, this is why we believe minimal power into their hands is better.

Thats incredibly bleak outlook.  Thats why you have checks and balances.  Thats why you have good regulations.  Thats why you have legal framework

The paraadox of your statement is that if these selfish, dishonest people arent in the public sector then theyd just be in the private sector.  Libertarianism is not the solution for bad people problem.  Rules are the solution

Twiifm is right! What we need is a piece of paper with some ink on it that will stop psychopaths from using the state's monopoly on the initiation of force to inflict their whim upon people because........ magic! 

[Nicolas Dorier]

Is not about what kind of government, but what kind of people are in charge: till they are selfish, greedy and dishonest, no government can succeed.

This is precisely what kind of government, libertarian does not believe that it is possible to have a governement not selfish, greedy, and dishonest, this is why we believe minimal power into their hands is better.

Thats incredibly bleak outlook.  Thats why you have checks and balances.  Thats why you have good regulations.  Thats why you have legal framework

The paraadox of your statement is that if these selfish, dishonest people arent in the public sector then theyd just be in the private sector.  Libertarianism is not the solution for bad people problem.  Rules are the solution

The law can't be better than the people that decides them... and they are selfish, greedy, and dishonest. (In france, it is almost comical)

Law is built up over generations.  You have democracy in France? If you think you have the solution then you can get the people to vote you in to office

Even if you want to reduce govt you have to do that

The political leaders manipulate the media to present only left and right, "a choice" that only represent Statism. I have no choice to make, I don't approve their stupidity, and my time is better spent creating software than fighting over them.
US is funnier, the media (see youtube link I gave some post ago) purposefully ignored Ron Paul even when he got better votes than democrats or republicans.
Anyway, it is not in my pocket they are stealing because I am smart enough to evade all of that legally, and I don't want to fight for others pockets.
I am in a country where most of the people hate our government, they complain but don't understand they are the one that are feeding the beast.
Libertarian ? They have no idea about what it means since they never have seen anything else than statism since they are born.

The only thing that I fear is that all the money often does'nt go in the right pocket for a right purpose, and the world might can degenerate quickly when a very bad person comes to the head, as history have already shown us.

We don't need a libertarian government to live as a libertarian, just to think more carefully how to flow our wealth.

[twiifm]

Is not about what kind of government, but what kind of people are in charge: till they are selfish, greedy and dishonest, no government can succeed.

This is precisely what kind of government, libertarian does not believe that it is possible to have a governement not selfish, greedy, and dishonest, this is why we believe minimal power into their hands is better.

Thats incredibly bleak outlook.  Thats why you have checks and balances.  Thats why you have good regulations.  Thats why you have legal framework

The paraadox of your statement is that if these selfish, dishonest people arent in the public sector then theyd just be in the private sector.  Libertarianism is not the solution for bad people problem.  Rules are the solution

Twiifm is right! What we need is a piece of paper with some ink on it that will stop psychopaths from using the state's monopoly on the initiation of force to inflict their whim upon people because........ magic! 

What do you think the Constitution is

[twiifm]

Is not about what kind of government, but what kind of people are in charge: till they are selfish, greedy and dishonest, no government can succeed.

This is precisely what kind of government, libertarian does not believe that it is possible to have a governement not selfish, greedy, and dishonest, this is why we believe minimal power into their hands is better.

Thats incredibly bleak outlook.  Thats why you have checks and balances.  Thats why you have good regulations.  Thats why you have legal framework

The paraadox of your statement is that if these selfish, dishonest people arent in the public sector then theyd just be in the private sector.  Libertarianism is not the solution for bad people problem.  Rules are the solution

The law can't be better than the people that decides them... and they are selfish, greedy, and dishonest. (In france, it is almost comical)

Law is built up over generations.  You have democracy in France? If you think you have the solution then you can get the people to vote you in to office

Even if you want to reduce govt you have to do that

The political leaders manipulate the media to present only left and right, "a choice" that only represent Statism. I have no choice to make, I don't approve their stupidity, and my time is better spent creating software than fighting over them.
US is funnier, the media (see youtube link I gave some post ago) purposefully ignored Ron Paul even when he got better votes than democrats or republicans.
Anyway, it is not in my pocket they are stealing because I am smart enough to evade all of that legally, and I don't want to fight for others pockets.
I am in a country where most of the people hate our government, they complain but don't understand they are the one that are feeding the beast.
Libertarian ? They have no idea about what it means since they never have seen anything else than statism since they are born.

The only thing that I fear is that all the money often does'nt go in the right pocket for a right purpose, and the world might can degenerate quickly when a very bad person comes to the head, as history have already shown us.

We don't need a libertarian government to live as a libertarian, just to think more carefully how to flow our wealth.

All Im saying is you can be a politician if. You think you can do better.  Nobody is stopping you

[Ibian]

Is not about what kind of government, but what kind of people are in charge: till they are selfish, greedy and dishonest, no government can succeed.

This is precisely what kind of government, libertarian does not believe that it is possible to have a governement not selfish, greedy, and dishonest, this is why we believe minimal power into their hands is better.

Thats incredibly bleak outlook.  Thats why you have checks and balances.  Thats why you have good regulations.  Thats why you have legal framework

The paraadox of your statement is that if these selfish, dishonest people arent in the public sector then theyd just be in the private sector.  Libertarianism is not the solution for bad people problem.  Rules are the solution

Twiifm is right! What we need is a piece of paper with some ink on it that will stop psychopaths from using the state's monopoly on the initiation of force to inflict their whim upon people because........ magic! 

What do you think the Constitution is

Worthless at this point.

[gts476]

Is not about what kind of government, but what kind of people are in charge: till they are selfish, greedy and dishonest, no government can succeed.

This is precisely what kind of government, libertarian does not believe that it is possible to have a governement not selfish, greedy, and dishonest, this is why we believe minimal power into their hands is better.

Thats incredibly bleak outlook.  Thats why you have checks and balances.  Thats why you have good regulations.  Thats why you have legal framework

The paraadox of your statement is that if these selfish, dishonest people arent in the public sector then theyd just be in the private sector.  Libertarianism is not the solution for bad people problem.  Rules are the solution

Twiifm is right! What we need is a piece of paper with some ink on it that will stop psychopaths from using the state's monopoly on the initiation of force to inflict their whim upon people because........ magic! 

What do you think the Constitution is

The constitution is just a piece of paper - G.W. Bush

[misscointamer]

The solution to poverty is simplicity. Sell your house, get a house in the rural area. Buy a land and then plant crops. Get a day job maybe 3x  week and then enjoy life.

[BuluIdung]

A society run by businessmen will always create more prosperity for everyone.

[dompsairs]

Socialism or Capitalism are irrelevant when Bitcoin takes the spotlight. Bitcoinism is the future.

[gts476]

Socialism or Capitalism are irrelevant when Bitcoin takes the spotlight. Bitcoinism is the future.

 

[Rayban34]

Socialism or Capitalism are irrelevant when Bitcoin takes the spotlight. Bitcoinism is the future.

Not too sure there.

Humans are primed at basic level to lead or be lead. There is no equilibrium. Power will just shift to those with the most bitcoin. And those people; like those that do now, will influence matters through bitcoin as a replacement.

Life sucks lol

As I said - we need to evolve from life force suckers to propping each other up!