==== Eligius, please pay my 200+ BTC ====

[ShakyhandsBTCer]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Yea this is ridiculous.

Not only that but noone has any real proof of any of this.

[Luke-Jr]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Yea this is ridiculous.

Not only that but noone has any real proof of any of this.

There is sufficient proof to easily hold up in a criminal court case, IMO.

[sconklin321]

The funny thing is that he keeps asking for this 225 BTC for the few days he mined at Eligius after fixing whatever issue there may have been, but does say he'll return the the 429 BTC, as evidenced here http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/17JkL94B2ngJg4QQZuiozDQjnxXB6B7yTc, that he was paid during between mid-March and May 3 while only finding two blocks.  And for anyone interested, more information in this post, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=441465.msg7301154#msg7301154.

[Soros Shorts]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Yea this is ridiculous.

Not only that but noone has any real proof of any of this.

That's like saying that if someone wins the lottery 5 times in a row there is no real proof that they are cheating.

[HypnoticGuy]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Go for the Snow Caps next!

[DaveF]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Go for the Snow Caps next!

Blasphemy...1st popcorn, then gummy bears, finally snow caps.

Wait....were we dealing with something important in this thread?

Oh, yeah that was it....Coke or Pepsi?

-Dave

[crashoveride54902]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Go for the Snow Caps next!

Blasphemy...1st popcorn, then gummy bears, finally snow caps.

Wait....were we dealing with something important in this thread?

Oh, yeah that was it....Coke or Pepsi?

-Dave

  neither MD all the way!!

[HypnoticGuy]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Go for the Snow Caps next!

Blasphemy...1st popcorn, then gummy bears, finally snow caps.

Wait....were we dealing with something important in this thread?

Oh, yeah that was it....Coke or Pepsi?

-Dave

  neither MD all the way!!

Unless we are at the drive-in.  Then it's B.Y.O.B, of course.

[crashoveride54902]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Go for the Snow Caps next!

Blasphemy...1st popcorn, then gummy bears, finally snow caps.

Wait....were we dealing with something important in this thread?

Oh, yeah that was it....Coke or Pepsi?

-Dave

  neither MD all the way!!

Unless we are at the drive-in.  Then it's B.Y.O.B, of course.

oh yeah even better

[S4VV4S]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Go for the Snow Caps next!

Blasphemy...1st popcorn, then gummy bears, finally snow caps.

Wait....were we dealing with something important in this thread?

Oh, yeah that was it....Coke or Pepsi?

-Dave

  neither MD all the way!!

Unless we are at the drive-in.  Then it's B.Y.O.B, of course.

oh yeah even better

B.Y.O.B what?
what does it mean?

[HypnoticGuy]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Go for the Snow Caps next!

Blasphemy...1st popcorn, then gummy bears, finally snow caps.

Wait....were we dealing with something important in this thread?

Oh, yeah that was it....Coke or Pepsi?

-Dave

  neither MD all the way!!

Unless we are at the drive-in.  Then it's B.Y.O.B, of course.

oh yeah even better

B.Y.O.B what?
what does it mean?

B.Y.O.B. = Bring your own booze.

[S4VV4S]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Go for the Snow Caps next!

Blasphemy...1st popcorn, then gummy bears, finally snow caps.

Wait....were we dealing with something important in this thread?

Oh, yeah that was it....Coke or Pepsi?

-Dave

  neither MD all the way!!

Unless we are at the drive-in.  Then it's B.Y.O.B, of course.

oh yeah even better

B.Y.O.B what?
what does it mean?

B.Y.O.B. = Bring your own booze.

Got it.
Thanks!

[ShakyhandsBTCer]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Yea this is ridiculous.

Not only that but noone has any real proof of any of this.

That's like saying that if someone wins the lottery 5 times in a row there is no real proof that they are cheating.

Well I have not seen any logs from eligius that would backup the fact that blocks were withheld nor have I looked into the cheater's address's nor eligius stats to see if payments are where they "should" be.

Most importantly I have not seen any proof that this person really is the person who was mining on eligius. 

[JoelKatz]

Not only that but noone has any real proof of any of this.

We have "real proof" of very, very few things in life. Nevertheless, we have no difficulty making decisions based on the preponderance of available evidence. This isn't a metaphysical "how do you know you exist" kind of thing, nor is it a criminal case. This is just an ordinary "make the best decision you can with the evidence available to you" thing.

[ShakyhandsBTCer]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Yea this is ridiculous.

Not only that but noone has any real proof of any of this.

There is sufficient proof to easily hold up in a criminal court case, IMO.

I respect eligius a lot and would say that the reputation of eligius would be sufficient to believe you if you say that there is proof. However I would be very interested to see proof.

In regards to the proof holding up in a criminal case it is important to understand how complex Bitcoin is. You need to be smart to understand even much of the basics as to how Bitcoin works. I would be surprised if you could explain to a jury (made of up "average" people, most of which likely would not have any technical background) how a pool works or how miners work in enough detail that would allow you to explain the evidence.

In regards to should he be paid if he is withholding blocks, if it appears that he withheld three blocks (for example) then 76 BTC (I would be aggressive with TX fees) should be withheld from his payment, at the very least. This is regardless if he was doing this intentionally or not and is especially true for such a large mining farm.

If it is apparent that he was doing this on purpose (if this person is who he says he is then he was doing it on purpose) then there is no reason to provide payment at all IMO. Intentionally withholding blocks from pools will degrade confidence in pools, which would lead to a decreased number of people mining in the first place (they would only solo mine and only if they could do it when they have enough hahspower that luck will not be a big issue), which would lead to centralization of mining.

[ShakyhandsBTCer]

Not only that but noone has any real proof of any of this.

We have "real proof" of very, very few things in life. Nevertheless, we have no difficulty making decisions based on the preponderance of available evidence. This isn't a metaphysical "how do you know you exist" kind of thing, nor is it a criminal case. This is just an ordinary "make the best decision you can with the evidence available to you" thing.

I would consider "real" proof something that a reasonable person that has a reasonable understanding of the facts and situation would believe.

What was being presented was really noting more then accusations.

[Luke-Jr]

whew...I'm stuffed on popcorn...this is getting good 

Yea this is ridiculous.

Not only that but noone has any real proof of any of this.

There is sufficient proof to easily hold up in a criminal court case, IMO.

I respect eligius a lot and would say that the reputation of eligius would be sufficient to believe you if you say that there is proof. However I would be very interested to see proof.

That is something up to wizkid057 to try to organise and present.
If it were me, I'd consider the effort to try to put it in a form understandable by anyone to be more trouble than it's worth.

In regards to the proof holding up in a criminal case it is important to understand how complex Bitcoin is. You need to be smart to understand even much of the basics as to how Bitcoin works. I would be surprised if you could explain to a jury (made of up "average" people, most of which likely would not have any technical background) how a pool works or how miners work in enough detail that would allow you to explain the evidence.

I don't think courts usually require a full explanation of the technical details, just expert witness testimony that such and such is fact.

In regards to should he be paid if he is withholding blocks, if it appears that he withheld three blocks (for example) then 76 BTC (I would be aggressive with TX fees) should be withheld from his payment, at the very least. This is regardless if he was doing this intentionally or not and is especially true for such a large mining farm.

Unfortunately, even after withholding the ~200 BTC, he still owes us like ~400 BTC.

If it is apparent that he was doing this on purpose (if this person is who he says he is then he was doing it on purpose) then there is no reason to provide payment at all IMO. Intentionally withholding blocks from pools will degrade confidence in pools, which would lead to a decreased number of people mining in the first place (they would only solo mine and only if they could do it when they have enough hahspower that luck will not be a big issue), which would lead to centralization of mining.

The more he talks, the more I get convinced it was intentional.
But we may never know for sure.

[taipo]

He tried something, he got caught,now he owes 400 BTC and is trying to refocus the discussion away from that fact.

[JoelKatz]

What was being presented was really noting more then accusations.

This is simply not so. For example:

"The mathematical probability of you not finding a block with the amount of work required to find 24 blocks is:
One in 81,000,000"

Also, we have his own words, such as his response to murdof.

[DPoS2]

I'm innocent until proven guilty in your country.
Luckily, I have no need to prove that I'm innocent both under my government and bitcoin way, since it is a by-default. If someone wants to announce that I'm guilty, Hi must prove.
I just want someone to get my money back according to his public visible account page.
I don't like to announce something which I cannot prove, this is not a bitcoin way.

So would you mind to explain what happend at BTCGuild?

We have some issue with our mining infrastructure, which caused BTCGuild froze our account on the beginning of May.
After a fast fix and a test on various pool include Eligius, we saw block solved (totally 5) on Eligius block page and think that the issue was resolved, then we switch back to BTCguild under its administrator's checking on the log of our share we mine after this incident.
But we found that Eligius refused to pay for shares of our test.
In a internal review of this issue, we think that eligius may know this issue and build a plot aimed to this issue.
Then, the left is all known by all here.

So you're either scamming or your gear isn't working right.  Either way you shouldn't expect to get paid.

My gears is working wrong on BTCguild, after fixing we move to eligius for test, and see all things correct in its own block list.
Especially For 1Gu8zxRi8cyENV8CQe52D7QEsiZ7ruT73u, it is a brand new account and begining it's mining just after the fix and block was found by it, so why eligius ban it?

who the fuck would trust your scammy ass..  ban you and your shit miners into the grave