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September 05, 2016, 07:24:33 PM
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Average price in Aug = 0.00354716 BTC/BTCD
BTCD exchange rate =  0.00354716 * 1.5 = 0.00532074 BTC/BTCD

When we take into account the bonuses during ICO, we get:

Oct. 15 -           25% bonus  = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 16-22 -      20% bonus  = 0.00443 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 23-29 -      15% bonus  = 0.00462 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 30-Nov 5 - 10% bonus = 0.00483 BTC/BTCD
Nov 6-12 -         5% bonus   = 0.00506 BTC/BTCD
Nov 13-20 -       0% bonus   = 0.00532 BTC/BTCD



To explain this chart a little. The BTC price here refers to the "max" price you paid for a BTCD coin to get the "max" bonus in relation to BTC investors (25 first day bonus).

You would have to buy under these prices to make sure you are better off swapping than investing with BTC.

Can you express this information in terms of dollar value? And at what dollar price does it make sense to buy btcd as it will be a better deal then investing btc into the ico?
Thanks

Can't predict what the BTC/USD & USD/BTCD price will be at the time of komodo ico

I'm interested in what the $value of aveage price in aug was for btcd
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September 05, 2016, 07:46:52 PM
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Average price in Aug = 0.00354716 BTC/BTCD
BTCD exchange rate =  0.00354716 * 1.5 = 0.00532074 BTC/BTCD

When we take into account the bonuses during ICO, we get:

Oct. 15 -           25% bonus  = 0.00425 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 16-22 -      20% bonus  = 0.00443 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 23-29 -      15% bonus  = 0.00462 BTC/BTCD
Oct. 30-Nov 5 - 10% bonus = 0.00483 BTC/BTCD
Nov 6-12 -         5% bonus   = 0.00506 BTC/BTCD
Nov 13-20 -       0% bonus   = 0.00532 BTC/BTCD



To explain this chart a little. The BTC price here refers to the "max" price you paid for a BTCD coin to get the "max" bonus in relation to BTC investors (25 first day bonus).

You would have to buy under these prices to make sure you are better off swapping than investing with BTC.

Can you express this information in terms of dollar value? And at what dollar price does it make sense to buy btcd as it will be a better deal then investing btc into the ico?
Thanks

Can't predict what the BTC/USD & USD/BTCD price will be at the time of komodo ico

I'm interested in what the $value of aveage price in aug was for btcd

coinmarketcap has a $ price chart

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoindark/

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September 06, 2016, 03:58:22 AM
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I was looking at the block explorer recently and what I see is a handful of wallets with tens of thousands of transactions. As I understand these are the wallets which were staking from 2014 when no-one was even thinking about dividends. Considering how much electricity those people burned for these years to keep the blockchain secure I would give those wallets some preferable conversation rate if I were you. That would kill couple or rabbits with one stone. I am pretty sure you have a lot of those stakers complaining now, plus that would show future investors the team is actually care about long time commitment. Which ever number of stakes you choose does not matter (for me at least, I've got only handful), just choose how many wallets you want to reward and get that stake number. In the big picture those would not matter.

Let us know what you think of that.

Looks like entire "team" is ignoring your question. I don't think they would do anything like that, in the end this would lead to much less BTC for the project I guess.
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September 06, 2016, 07:43:04 AM
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I was looking at the block explorer recently and what I see is a handful of wallets with tens of thousands of transactions. As I understand these are the wallets which were staking from 2014 when no-one was even thinking about dividends. Considering how much electricity those people burned for these years to keep the blockchain secure I would give those wallets some preferable conversation rate if I were you. That would kill couple or rabbits with one stone. I am pretty sure you have a lot of those stakers complaining now, plus that would show future investors the team is actually care about long time commitment. Which ever number of stakes you choose does not matter (for me at least, I've got only handful), just choose how many wallets you want to reward and get that stake number. In the big picture those would not matter.

Let us know what you think of that.

Looks like entire "team" is ignoring your question. I don't think they would do anything like that, in the end this would lead to much less BTC for the project I guess.

If those addresses are constantly making transactions, they are probably part of Iguana or MultiGateway.

Giving special benefits to some addresses would not be seen desirable to some investors. We want to keep this simple.

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September 06, 2016, 10:32:05 AM
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As an investor I dont like the way u guys handled this, no notice of these plans whatsoever untill too late is how i feel! If I would have known this before I bought btcd, I would have found another project. 10 weeks of waiting for gains from 400k buyin and get 532074? to me this is shitting on especially investors who have been loyal to btcd for years.
As soon as i can see abit of profit, im done supporting this coin, but good luck on the project, so I guess I have abit more for Zcash then Undecided
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September 06, 2016, 12:08:59 PM
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As an investor I dont like the way u guys handled this, no notice of these plans whatsoever untill too late is how i feel! If I would have known this before I bought btcd, I would have found another project. 10 weeks of waiting for gains from 400k buyin and get 532074? to me this is shitting on especially investors who have been loyal to btcd for years.
As soon as i can see abit of profit, im done supporting this coin, but good luck on the project, so I guess I have abit more for Zcash then Undecided

They have invited all of us to join slack more than a year ago where they discuss these matters.
It was our decision to join or not.
I didn't join slack and I don't know if they talked publicly about this matter.
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As an investor I dont like the way u guys handled this, no notice of these plans whatsoever untill too late is how i feel! If I would have known this before I bought btcd, I would have found another project. 10 weeks of waiting for gains from 400k buyin and get 532074? to me this is shitting on especially investors who have been loyal to btcd for years.
As soon as i can see abit of profit, im done supporting this coin, but good luck on the project, so I guess I have abit more for Zcash then Undecided

So you bought at 400k, nearly 30% instant profit for 10 weeks is too long to wait? Iguana has been in dev for 2 years....





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September 06, 2016, 12:45:40 PM
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As an investor I dont like the way u guys handled this, no notice of these plans whatsoever untill too late is how i feel! If I would have known this before I bought btcd, I would have found another project. 10 weeks of waiting for gains from 400k buyin and get 532074? to me this is shitting on especially investors who have been loyal to btcd for years.
As soon as i can see abit of profit, im done supporting this coin, but good luck on the project, so I guess I have abit more for Zcash then Undecided

So you bought at 400k, nearly 30% instant profit for 10 weeks is too long to wait? Iguana has been in dev for 2 years....

How about me? I bought at 1380k. I am down by 73% where James told me 2 years ago, I am in the right place now.
Will he give me condolences for my loss again?
Out of a sudden, my BTCD should be converted into an ICO coin (and we all know the future of ICO coins and who gains what) otherwise I will be left with BTCD with no future. On the other hand i see some people trying to raise 30,000BTC
And yes, I know the usual answer. I am free to sell all of my BTCD, nobody told me to invest and I should go away AKA F... off if I don't like that.


LTC has been dead coin walking for a while. Condolences for your loss. At least you are in the right place now
ignore the ups and downs until something fundamental changes, eg. black helicopters get me, unless something like that happens BTCD will keep getting more and more tech. I have 40,000 lines of code ready to be integrated in and another 50,000 lines waiting in the wings, actually a lot more but most of it I improved and no need for the second best versions of stuff

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September 06, 2016, 01:00:25 PM
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yes this is a joke of all jokes and i liked james but i am thinking like othres now he is a scammer i have been staking since day one and now look what a jokeas soon as i came i will sell out and join rimbit and yet we wait another fucking year as if two wasnt enough

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September 06, 2016, 01:50:51 PM
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As an investor I dont like the way u guys handled this, no notice of these plans whatsoever untill too late is how i feel! If I would have known this before I bought btcd, I would have found another project. 10 weeks of waiting for gains from 400k buyin and get 532074? to me this is shitting on especially investors who have been loyal to btcd for years.
As soon as i can see abit of profit, im done supporting this coin, but good luck on the project, so I guess I have abit more for Zcash then Undecided

So you bought at 400k, nearly 30% instant profit for 10 weeks is too long to wait? Iguana has been in dev for 2 years....

How about me? I bought at 1380k. I am down by 73% where James told me 2 years ago, I am in the right place now.
Will he give me condolences for my loss again?
Out of a sudden, my BTCD should be converted into an ICO coin (and we all know the future of ICO coins and who gains what) otherwise I will be left with BTCD with no future. On the other hand i see some people trying to raise 30,000BTC
And yes, I know the usual answer. I am free to sell all of my BTCD, nobody told me to invest and I should go away AKA F... off if I don't like that.


LTC has been dead coin walking for a while. Condolences for your loss. At least you are in the right place now
ignore the ups and downs until something fundamental changes, eg. black helicopters get me, unless something like that happens BTCD will keep getting more and more tech. I have 40,000 lines of code ready to be integrated in and another 50,000 lines waiting in the wings, actually a lot more but most of it I improved and no need for the second best versions of stuff

James

Agreed fully...this is the biggest fallout JL could do...his only supporters, the BTCD crowd, i.e. the same people who invested in SN, and apart from the handful of buy-in fans that pre-arranged this fiasco, are so pissed off now that they will march against this ICO rendering it an utter failure. He may be smart but to screw over his only supporters was a fatal mistake. Please keep posting bitkokos2 (and others who JL made so many promises)...this Komodo coin must not get beyond it's own shit in the cage...because it is disgusting.

edit: I suggest JL come up with a better plan to support the BTCD investors or Komodo will fail.

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September 06, 2016, 03:06:08 PM
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I was looking at the block explorer recently and what I see is a handful of wallets with tens of thousands of transactions. As I understand these are the wallets which were staking from 2014 when no-one was even thinking about dividends. Considering how much electricity those people burned for these years to keep the blockchain secure I would give those wallets some preferable conversation rate if I were you. That would kill couple or rabbits with one stone. I am pretty sure you have a lot of those stakers complaining now, plus that would show future investors the team is actually care about long time commitment. Which ever number of stakes you choose does not matter (for me at least, I've got only handful), just choose how many wallets you want to reward and get that stake number. In the big picture those would not matter.

Let us know what you think of that.

Looks like entire "team" is ignoring your question. I don't think they would do anything like that, in the end this would lead to much less BTC for the project I guess.

If those addresses are constantly making transactions, they are probably part of Iguana or MultiGateway.

Giving special benefits to some addresses would not be seen desirable to some investors. We want to keep this simple.
Not necessarily. I am personally have dedicated laptop with BTCD node running for more then two years now. It was turned off only for a week 1.5 years ago. And yes, there are thousands of staked transactions in it.
Please do not ask me how do I feel about
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Giving special benefits to some addresses would not be seen desirable to some investors.
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Because it would be seen desirable to some other investors.

P.S. I must say though, it looks like community have zero voice here. I see nothing changed on the future plans in 6 days. Everything was decided for us. We will go where they want us to go. What other options do we have? (besides sitting on a bunch of soon-to-be useless BTCDs or selling for 1/2 price it will probably be in 3 months). James, you were the biggest "free market", "financial freedom" person(s) I have seen for awhile. Now this, a dictatorship.  Sad
That could have being the best option as JL says, but at this very moment I am inclined to exit my entire BTCD-KMD position after KMD is on the exchange.
I do feel this all fundraising thing could have being handled much better without touching BTCD price or high hopes people had for it.

And yes, yes, I can sell if I want to. Thank you.
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P.S. I must say though, it looks like community have zero voice here. I see nothing changed on the future plans in 6 days. Everything was decided for us. We will go where they want us to go. What other options do we have? (besides sitting on a bunch of soon-to-be useless BTCDs or selling for 1/2 price it will probably be in 3 months). James, you were the biggest "free market", "financial freedom" person(s) I have seen for awhile. Now this, a dictatorship.  Sad
That could have being the best option as JL says, but at this very moment I am inclined to exit my entire BTCD-KMD position after KMD is on the exchange.
I do feel this all fundraising thing could have being handled much better without touching BTCD price or high hopes people had for it.

And yes, yes, I can sell if I want to. Thank you.

I totally agree with you.
The worst thing for me is that I told some friends about BTCD 2 years ago and they gave me money to buy BTCD for them.
Think how I will feel tonight where I will go for beers and tell them the bad news.

Team most of the times was creating polls on bitcointalk and people/investors were voting for the future of the development. Now, all we got 5 days ago, was a hello, we change everything the way we like and your investments are going to become ICO.
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P.S. I must say though, it looks like community have zero voice here. I see nothing changed on the future plans in 6 days. Everything was decided for us. We will go where they want us to go. What other options do we have? (besides sitting on a bunch of soon-to-be useless BTCDs or selling for 1/2 price it will probably be in 3 months). James, you were the biggest "free market", "financial freedom" person(s) I have seen for awhile. Now this, a dictatorship.  Sad
That could have being the best option as JL says, but at this very moment I am inclined to exit my entire BTCD-KMD position after KMD is on the exchange.
I do feel this all fundraising thing could have being handled much better without touching BTCD price or high hopes people had for it.

And yes, yes, I can sell if I want to. Thank you.

I totally agree with you.
The worst thing for me is that I told some friends about BTCD 2 years ago and they gave me money to buy BTCD for them.
Think how I will feel tonight where I will go for beers and tell them the bad news.

Team most of the times was creating polls on bitcointalk and people/investors were voting for the future of the development. Now, all we got 5 days ago, was a hello, we change everything the way we like and your investments are going to become ICO.

Wow, poor baby. Your life is over. You'll never get rich now. I assume you have proof that komodo will fail, will be worth less then ico, etc. Basically you sound like most of the people on the show " the profit" with marcas lamonas. You seem to think that your bigger slice of a much smaller market is worth more then a smaller slice of a much much larger market.

Sentiment can change instantly especially if iguana is relased prior to ico.

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September 06, 2016, 05:26:13 PM
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And please understand I am not fudding, I am truly wishing mind-bugging success for KMD for obvious reasons. But as someone said before, BTCD community was a huge part of all this process for years and overall disappointment leads me to a suspicion that most of current BTCD holders will be quitting after ICO, thus permanently dropping price. I also understand that team will be there with fresh ICO BTC, but entire situation looks bad and I am certainly was not expecting James with "almost finished product" to do something like that.

Why couldn't you guys just make BTCD a rev-share asset with noticeable % without touching price caps, transfers, abandoning genuine blockchain, and all that ugly stuff community is raging about? Lunch KMD as you wish, and do rev-share income auto-send BTCD (@ current market price) daily into the wallets. It was done already, why not increase it?
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P.S. I must say though, it looks like community have zero voice here. I see nothing changed on the future plans in 6 days. Everything was decided for us. We will go where they want us to go. What other options do we have? (besides sitting on a bunch of soon-to-be useless BTCDs or selling for 1/2 price it will probably be in 3 months). James, you were the biggest "free market", "financial freedom" person(s) I have seen for awhile. Now this, a dictatorship.  Sad
That could have being the best option as JL says, but at this very moment I am inclined to exit my entire BTCD-KMD position after KMD is on the exchange.
I do feel this all fundraising thing could have being handled much better without touching BTCD price or high hopes people had for it.

And yes, yes, I can sell if I want to. Thank you.

I totally agree with you.
The worst thing for me is that I told some friends about BTCD 2 years ago and they gave me money to buy BTCD for them.
Think how I will feel tonight where I will go for beers and tell them the bad news.

Team most of the times was creating polls on bitcointalk and people/investors were voting for the future of the development. Now, all we got 5 days ago, was a hello, we change everything the way we like and your investments are going to become ICO.

Wow, poor baby. Your life is over. You'll never get rich now. I assume you have proof that komodo will fail, will be worth less then ico, etc. Basically you sound like most of the people on the show " the profit" with marcas lamonas. You seem to think that your bigger slice of a much smaller market is worth more then a smaller slice of a much much larger market.

Sentiment can change instantly especially if iguana is relased prior to ico.



A few days ago you said, ICO is a good way to scam.
"Find yourself a good way to scam. Ico's seem to do well. "
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P.S. I must say though, it looks like community have zero voice here. I see nothing changed on the future plans in 6 days. Everything was decided for us. We will go where they want us to go. What other options do we have? (besides sitting on a bunch of soon-to-be useless BTCDs or selling for 1/2 price it will probably be in 3 months). James, you were the biggest "free market", "financial freedom" person(s) I have seen for awhile. Now this, a dictatorship.  Sad
That could have being the best option as JL says, but at this very moment I am inclined to exit my entire BTCD-KMD position after KMD is on the exchange.
I do feel this all fundraising thing could have being handled much better without touching BTCD price or high hopes people had for it.

And yes, yes, I can sell if I want to. Thank you.

I totally agree with you.
The worst thing for me is that I told some friends about BTCD 2 years ago and they gave me money to buy BTCD for them.
Think how I will feel tonight where I will go for beers and tell them the bad news.

Team most of the times was creating polls on bitcointalk and people/investors were voting for the future of the development. Now, all we got 5 days ago, was a hello, we change everything the way we like and your investments are going to become ICO.

Wow, poor baby. Your life is over. You'll never get rich now. I assume you have proof that komodo will fail, will be worth less then ico, etc. Basically you sound like most of the people on the show " the profit" with marcas lamonas. You seem to think that your bigger slice of a much smaller market is worth more then a smaller slice of a much much larger market.

Sentiment can change instantly especially if iguana is relased prior to ico.


Don't assume people are idiots here, some definitely are .., but Bitkokos was here for a long time and as part of the BTCD community has the right to say what he thinks.
As to bigger market, how big WAVES are? We know iguana will be released, it sure looks like it will, disappointment comes from understanding that we all hoped it will be BTCD-only project with all the income and tech goodies, and we all were wrong. Apparently all this time BTCD was just another pet project for James.
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FYI one of the latest screeshots of Iguana gui:


◈▣ KOMODO ● Set Your Ideas Free ▣◈
.......AN ECOSYSTEM FOR NATIVE BLOCKCHAINS.......
Blockchain Generator | Decentralized Crowdfunding | Decentralized Exchange | Bitcoin Security | Zero-Knowledge Proofs | Blockchain Interoperability | Scalable Infrastructure
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Iguana is dedicated to Chrome users. Not everybody.
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Iguana is dedicated to Chrome users. Not everybody.

No, stand alone versions for Win, Linux, Mac. Chrome app is just a lite variant

◈▣ KOMODO ● Set Your Ideas Free ▣◈
.......AN ECOSYSTEM FOR NATIVE BLOCKCHAINS.......
Blockchain Generator | Decentralized Crowdfunding | Decentralized Exchange | Bitcoin Security | Zero-Knowledge Proofs | Blockchain Interoperability | Scalable Infrastructure
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September 06, 2016, 07:00:57 PM
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Iguana is dedicated to Chrome users. Not everybody.

Do you even read the Komodo thread? The whole thread? With all the detailed answers and explanations from James? Really interesting.

It seems you miss something. Just as with your "knowledge" about Iguana.  Roll Eyes
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