I was hacked (1170btc stolen) - 500btc max BOUNTY

[Gladdy]

I don think bitmixer will release any info unless the department want from them

else it will just broke thier business .

[rohnearner]

@klee look at your Twitter private messages  

I've sent a message to you some days ago and maybe there's the key of everything.

Does anyone have a followup on what happened with this post?
Maybe this is the new lead?

I also don't understand why klee hasn't said a single world to this reply, maybe he didn't notice it?

or maybe you didn't noticed that klee's not here tonight

Tonight I will be not available here, tomorrow I will try to write a thorough report on what happened etc

+Lie detector isn't really a good Idea , because its not fool proof and we can't really say if hacker is that close to klee [although there is a possibility that he might be]

 

[SirChiko]

@klee look at your Twitter private messages  

I've sent a message to you some days ago and maybe there's the key of everything.

Does anyone have a followup on what happened with this post?
Maybe this is the new lead?

I also don't understand why klee hasn't said a single world to this reply, maybe he didn't notice it?

or maybe you didn't noticed that klee's not here tonight

Tonight I will be not available here, tomorrow I will try to write a thorough report on what happened etc

+Lie detector isn't really a good Idea , because its not fool proof and we can't really say if hacker is that close to klee [although there is a possibility that he might be]

 

Oh yep i didn't notice that  hope he did check these twitter PMs and maybe had found something important there.

[techgeek]

so someone resolved and found this missing btc?

thats some crazy shit..

[techgeek]

I'd like to understand how this man got back around 500btc... Or did i misread something

The hacker went cold feet, and wanted Klee to stop the manhunt. So hacker reckoned to make do with 500 BTC to save his back.

It seems a bit odd though. Going through all that trouble them resolving about half amount to send back.

Like if they have that much then wouldnt they just lay low regardless and bitcoin being in a cold storage?

[horcoff]

I got in my watch up a scare attempt, a user I don't know with a V mask sent this:

Hey andro
How u doing?

his number is xxxxxx

EDIT: Maybe I know him, I will investigate some more in case it was a false alarm

False alarm.

Rocket was wrong unfortunately, GoDaddy is irrelevant.

We have some other clues though, the hunt will continue. I have my machines to be analysed by forensic experts, I formatted iMac but TimeMachines have everything!

I gather more people who have lost money like this so we will coordinate our efforts..

klee, is there any clear evidence how the hack was done?

Not yet - biggest chance are either from FB or dropbox.

Tonight I will be not available here, tomorrow I will try to write a thorough report on what happened etc

klee, please also provide wheather or not You used 2FA on Dropbox

[Gladdy]

I got in my watch up a scare attempt, a user I don't know with a V mask sent this:

Hey andro
How u doing?

his number is xxxxxx

EDIT: Maybe I know him, I will investigate some more in case it was a false alarm

False alarm.

Rocket was wrong unfortunately, GoDaddy is irrelevant.

We have some other clues though, the hunt will continue. I have my machines to be analysed by forensic experts, I formatted iMac but TimeMachines have everything!

I gather more people who have lost money like this so we will coordinate our efforts..

klee, is there any clear evidence how the hack was done?

Not yet - biggest chance are either from FB or dropbox.

Tonight I will be not available here, tomorrow I will try to write a thorough report on what happened etc

klee, please also provide wheather or not You used 2FA on Dropbox

Even with the 2FA you can get his coin back ?

[damiano]

I don think bitmixer will release any info unless the department want from them

else it will just broke thier business .

I don't think anyone else would look at bitmixer any differently if they gave up those details.  They are doing the right thing in this instance.

[BitCoinDream]

I don think bitmixer will release any info unless the department want from them

else it will just broke thier business .

Given the amount of BTC lost in current market value, if they dont release information, their will probably be departmental move.

[Benjig]

They said they delete all data after hours, so triying to get info from bitmixer is not the right way, bit mixer is just a service, and by holding bitcoins you should know that without security anyone can steal them and put them in a mixer and you never knew who was. We are all wanting anonymity and you try to force one of the few services that offers that.
Cmon bitcoin itself washes money, i doubt that 50% of the people here have declared to a tax regulator their BTC holdings and incomes.
So im so sorry for your lost, but we should work in another way, triying to find ip by another method.

[CEG5952]

I don think bitmixer will release any info unless the department want from them

else it will just broke thier business .

I don't think anyone else would look at bitmixer any differently if they gave up those details.  They are doing the right thing in this instance.

Really? I'd certainly campaign for users to boycott them. WTF is the point of mixers if the community is going to arbitrarily decide when mixers ought to betray the trust of their customers?

This is a much bigger question than just saying, "just this one time." You are either for privacy, or against it when it doesn't suit you. Pick one. If the latter, then just denounce the very premise of mixers already.

[Eadeqa]

I don think bitmixer will release any info unless the department want from them

else it will just broke thier business .

I don't think anyone else would look at bitmixer any differently if they gave up those details.  They are doing the right thing in this instance.

Really? I'd certainly campaign for users to boycott them. WTF is the point of mixers if the community is going to arbitrarily decide when mixers ought to betray the trust of their customers?

This is a much bigger question than just saying, "just this one time." You are either for privacy, or against it when it doesn't suit you. Pick one. If the latter, then just denounce the very premise of mixers already.

What country is this service located? They might be legally obliged to keep a record and cooperate with the authorities. Theft of this amount of money is a felony in the US (over 10 years prison).  If they don't disclose the information and did not keep a record, they might be legally responsible both criminally and open to civil lawsuit.

[Benjig]

Anyway whats the point of getting the data from bitmixer, what do you think you gonna get, ips no because his using tor/other shit obviously?? the hacker can spread the bitcoins into hundreds of addresses containing 1 or 2 bitcoins, then he waits some months and start using them, do you think an exchange will ban an address, or all those addreses?

What if they personally sell 10 bitcoins in a hand to hand trade ? and then that person puts that btcs on an exchange? klee denounces the exchange to investigate that deposit and once the person says he bought the btcs from a random guy, the funds cannot be frozen and the guy is not obligated to do nothing because the bitcoin addresses dont have a name pegged to it, if this dont occur, damn, so bitcoin is worthless, i would not buy any more bitcoin because i wouldnt know if they were used to buy slaves or something.

[BitCoinDream]

I don think bitmixer will release any info unless the department want from them

else it will just broke thier business .

I don't think anyone else would look at bitmixer any differently if they gave up those details.  They are doing the right thing in this instance.

Really? I'd certainly campaign for users to boycott them. WTF is the point of mixers if the community is going to arbitrarily decide when mixers ought to betray the trust of their customers?

This is a much bigger question than just saying, "just this one time." You are either for privacy, or against it when it doesn't suit you. Pick one. If the latter, then just denounce the very premise of mixers already.

What country is this service located? They might be legally obliged to keep a record and cooperate with the authorities. Theft of this amount of money is a felony in the US (over 10 years prison).  If they don't disclose the information and did not keep a record, they might be legally responsible both criminally and open to civil lawsuit.

Probably none of the mixers are operating from US, not even from some properly regulated EU country. So catching a mixer owner is not an easy deal. But, if they're caught, it'll be difficult for them to evade imprisonment.

[BurtW]

If you give me a $100 bill and I give you back $100 in change in smaller bills have I committed a crime?

If, after you are long gone I find out that the $100 bill you gave me was stolen have I committed a crime and am I obligate to return the $100 bill to the injured party?

Is it my responsibility to get AML and KYC information from every random stranger that asks me for change?  If I don't is it a crime?

That is what a mixer does:  makes change.  It takes in fungible BTC and returns fungible BTC.

After the mixer made change for the thief the thief still had the stolen money.  Yes they were different UTXOs but he is still guilty and he still has the money.

The mixer has done nothing wrong.  The mixer is not obligated to keep customer records.  The mixer simply makes change.

Unless you don't think BTC are fungible?

If you are in that camp then those of us that do believe it is fungible will fight you to the death of Bitcoin.  Because if you win and Bitcoins are not fungible then they becomes just curious collectible cryptographic anomolies and the entire Bitcoin concept will die.

Those of us that are looking for an altenative to the current government/bank issued toilet paper will all move on to an alt that is fungible by design because it automatically mixes all coins in all transactions in every block in order to avoid this entire conversation.

[CEG5952]

If you give me a $100 bill and I give you back $100 in change in smaller bills have I committed a crime?

If, after you are long gone I find out that the $100 bill you gave me was stolen have I committed a crime and am I obligate to return the $100 bill to the injured party?

Is it my responsibility to get AML and KYC information from every random stranger that asks me for change?  If I don't is it a crime?

That is what a mixer does:  makes change.  It takes in fungible BTC and returns fungible BTC.

After the mixer made change for the thief the thief still had the stolen money.  Yes they were different UTXOs but he is still guilty and he still has the money.

The mixer has done nothing wrong.  The mixer is not obligated to keep customer records.  The mixer simply makes change.

Unless you don't think BTC are fungible?

If you are in that camp then those of us that do believe it is fungible will fight you to the death of Bitcoin.  Because if you win and Bitcoins are not fungible then they becomes just curious collectible cryptographic anomolies and the entire Bitcoin concept will die.

Those of us that are looking for an altenative to the current government/bank issued toilet paper will all move on to an alt that is fungible by design because it automatically mixes all coins in all transactions in every block in order to avoid this entire conversation.

Bingo. If you want some reversible payment system centered around government authority and laws, you may want to look elsewhere than bitcoin.

I prefer my bitcoins to be fungible.

[Benjig]

If you give me a $100 bill and I give you back $100 in change in smaller bills have I committed a crime?

If, after you are long gone I find out that the $100 bill you gave me was stolen have I committed a crime and am I obligate to return the $100 bill to the injured party?

Is it my responsibility to get AML and KYC information from every random stranger that asks me for change?  If I don't is it a crime?

That is what a mixer does:  makes change.  It takes in fungible BTC and returns fungible BTC.

After the mixer made change for the thief the thief still had the stolen money.  Yes they were different UTXOs but he is still guilty and he still has the money.

The mixer has done nothing wrong.  The mixer is not obligated to keep customer records.  The mixer simply makes change.

Unless you don't think BTC are fungible?

If you are in that camp then those of us that do believe it is fungible will fight you to the death of Bitcoin.  Because if you win and Bitcoins are not fungible then they becomes just curious collectible cryptographic anomolies and the entire Bitcoin concept will die.

Those of us that are looking for an altenative to the current government/bank issued toilet paper will all move on to an alt that is fungible by design because it automatically mixes all coins in all transactions in every block in order to avoid this entire conversation.

Bingo. If you want some reversible payment system centered around government authority and laws, you may want to look elsewhere than bitcoin.

I prefer my bitcoins to be fungible.

Yeah its just that this topic is full of newbies wanting the supposed reward, there were some even asking where is bitmixer located, if they had put in the minimum effort they had knew that by whois.

[Sniar]

1170 BTC wow .. thats like over $600k

Wheres the main Address again ?

[roslinpl]

1170 BTC wow .. thats like over $600k

Wheres the main Address again ?

Well ... perhaps it is worth to read at least OP of the thread before asking about something what is in the OP


Regards.

Dear HEADHUNTERS,

43% of any btc I will be able to get back IF you find the identity of the thief!

If the whole amount will be returned to me (1170BTC) that would be 500BTC.

https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1GwNLwoCQiobJzmURSAq54vH4BYjFkwaxr

FIND HIM!!!

[BurtW]

at the moment only 368BTC remain unmixed

This is very sad that things like that are just that simple ...

I hope he left some nice clues somewhere else instead of tracking coins ...


currently biggest amounts @

https://blockchain.info/pl/address/1GKiZEENq3k9Y9ogSP68dDX9XLgLvNwca9
https://blockchain.info/pl/address/197VbaCPmJLHE6HWWHvqMJhK2HGwAshBVW

Those coins you are tracking are his old coins.  The coins he gave to the mixer when he got change from them.  It is like you are tracking the $100 bill in my example above.  He moved on a long time ago once he got his change from the mixer (totally unrelated BTC).  Why are you tracking the original BTC?  Are you just curious as to how mixers work?  Wondering about the other clients of the mixer?  I am curious.