Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border

[hologram]

So Russia never do anything for freedom... No human right, no rule of law, no thinking of freedom, no strong constitution

Do you really think with Russian philosophy this site would exist ?

[BCEmporium]

While the West was philosophising about peace and freedom, and conducting an occasional crusade or an invasion, Russia was busy deflecting said invasion against itself or its allies.

...just happened to keep expanding until the Pacific Ocean while "defending"... ah! The Romantic/Novel History of XVIII Century is still up around!...

Your knowledge of history still has room for improvement...

It always have, and so do yours. Because History has this very interesting feature; while we can't change History, what we know about it keeps changing.
The XVIII Century is a must, it's the dawn of Nationalism and the line between historians and novel writers is thiner than a hair, as result many peoples are still using that super-positive self view / prejudice to others version.

[Hardy49r]

Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity -- turns data over to EU and Malaysian Experts.  Asks for overfly pictures from US Satellite known to be overhead at the time to be released.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-deploying-buk-missiles-east-rader-proof-warplanes-mh1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSpeo5RcQQo

[deisik]

Russia Says Has Photos Of Ukraine Deploying BUK Missiles In East, Radar Proof Of Warplanes In MH17 Vicinity -- turns data over to EU and Malaysian Experts.  Asks for overfly pictures from US Satellite known to be overhead at the time to be released.

Obama is going to have tough times. Did Putin corner him, so whatever option he picks up (whether to show the photos or hide not to show them), he loses?

[Morbid]

this phoney 'buk' story is just a distraction. the self defending forces dont have aviation forces (yet). if puplic to be told how exactly the plane was shot down, then it would clear them of any blame.

[deisik]

this phoney 'buk' story is just a distraction. the self defending forces dont have aviation forces (yet). if puplic to be told how exactly the plane was shot down, then it would clear them of any blame.

In this video we see a launch of two BUK-M missiles. Exhaust gasses from a rocket engine will be seen across the sky approximately for 20-30 minutes. More than enough to take a video...

Anyone going to challenge that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing was not taken down by Buk?

[Nemo1024]

So Russia never do anything for freedom... No human right, no rule of law, no thinking of freedom, no strong constitution

Do you really think with Russian philosophy this site would exist ?

False, false, false, and false.

You know, I believe that a site like this one would exist. You seem to be mixing up concepts of freedom of speech and freedom to defame and slander. The first does not imply the second. Yet, if you go to news.rambler.ru or rt.com, you'd see that comments remain uncensored and many of them are, mildly speaking, derogatory of Putin.

As for constitution, Russia has several - the Federal one, and constitution for each of the subjects. Also, decide if you want strong Russia with strong constitution or not, because each time Russia becomes stronger, we start seeing the blamestorm and demonization in the Western media, as we see now. British media portrayed Russia positively only twice during the recent times: in 1917 and in 1991, both times Russia was weak, on the verge of collapse.


Now, on to some news:

Pentagon does not believe the version that Boeing was shot by Ukrainian army:
http://ria.ru/world/20140721/1016963672.html

The above disbelief is based solely on the following statement by Perto Poroshenko that it's not true and that no one should believe the Russian Ministry of Defence:
http://www.bfm.ru/news/266066
That's the same Poroshenko, who promised not to shell Lugansk and Donetsk, where hundreds of civilians were killed by shells over the last days.

OSCE experts have full access to the crash site:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/387020

Here is more about that Su-25, that was spotted prior to disappearance of 777:
http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2530143

In the meantime, the Czech president raised his voice against new sanctions against Russia:
http://ria.ru/world/20140721/1016968317.html

[Schleicher]

OSCE experts have full access to the crash site:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/387020

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/121485

The SMM was initially given only partial access to the Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash site. It was given full access on 20 July.

[Nemo1024]

OSCE experts have full access to the crash site:
http://www.interfax.ru/world/387020

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/121485

The SMM was initially given only partial access to the Malaysia Airlines MH17 crash site. It was given full access on 20 July.

Yes, that what was in the article as well. I should have said "now have full access". Before that they negotiating with Kiev.

By the way, a very good analytical article:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/fast-track-to-wwiii-usas-goal-is-to-overturn-putin/


The video from Russian Military Control Center (English)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEbiSRFYTZY

[Lincoln6Echo]

247crypto is like chartbuddy but for pro russia terrorist propaganda.

The theory of an ukrainian jet fighter shooting down a civil airplaine is just nuts. Why on earth should the ukrainian military do that? To pretend it was a shot down by pro russia terrorists to discredit them? No way ukrainian military or government is this naive. You can't fake such things when there are international specialists who investigate the crash side(+sat system).

But pro russia terrorists did their best to sabotage an investigation as much as they could. mmhhh I wonder why when there is nothing to hide?

[Window2Wall]

this phoney 'buk' story is just a distraction. the self defending forces dont have aviation forces (yet). if puplic to be told how exactly the plane was shot down, then it would clear them of any blame.

In this video we see a launch of two BUK-M missiles. Exhaust gasses from a rocket engine will be seen across the sky approximately for 20-30 minutes. More than enough to take a video...

Anyone going to challenge that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing was not taken down by Buk?

It has been reported that Russia supplied the pro russian rebels with the SAMs that were likely used to shoot down the plane.

[chopstick]

this phoney 'buk' story is just a distraction. the self defending forces dont have aviation forces (yet). if puplic to be told how exactly the plane was shot down, then it would clear them of any blame.

In this video we see a launch of two BUK-M missiles. Exhaust gasses from a rocket engine will be seen across the sky approximately for 20-30 minutes. More than enough to take a video...

Anyone going to challenge that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing was not taken down by Buk?

It has been reported that Russia supplied the pro russian rebels with the SAMs that were likely used to shoot down the plane.

There is no evidence other than some fake CIA-created youtube footage.

This is the most obvious false flag since 9/11.

No way Russia or the separatists shot it down. Also, Russia has actual satellite photos as PROOF that the plane was downed by the Ukraine government.

A Ukraine military jet was flying nearby the passenger jet at the time it was shot down. WHY?

Also, WHY was the plane routed over 200 miles off its regular course and flown over a hostile warzone with known anti-air activity?!?!?!

They are framing Putin because of his opposition to the NWO.

[mladen00]

this phoney 'buk' story is just a distraction. the self defending forces dont have aviation forces (yet). if puplic to be told how exactly the plane was shot down, then it would clear them of any blame.

In this video we see a launch of two BUK-M missiles. Exhaust gasses from a rocket engine will be seen across the sky approximately for 20-30 minutes. More than enough to take a video...

Anyone going to challenge that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing was not taken down by Buk?

It has been reported that Russia supplied the pro russian rebels with the SAMs that were likely used to shoot down the plane.

reported by cnn, fox or bbc?

[deisik]

247crypto is like chartbuddy but for pro russia terrorist propaganda.

The theory of an ukrainian jet fighter shooting down a civil airplaine is just nuts. Why on earth should the ukrainian military do that? To pretend it was a shot down by pro russia terrorists to discredit them? No way ukrainian military or government is this naive. You can't fake such things when there are international specialists who investigate the crash side(+sat system).

Why on earth should the Ukrainian military shoot down the Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 over the Black Sea in 2001 (the crash was caused by a Ukrainian S-200 missile strike)? Why the U.S. government says that they have satellite photos, but they don't show them (despite the fact that Obama promised to investigate the shoot-down no matter what)?

There is no unity inside the Ukrainian authorities. People there commit suicides with two head-shots, each one being instantaneously lethal...

[deisik]

But pro russia terrorists did their best to sabotage an investigation as much as they could. mmhhh I wonder why when there is nothing to hide?

In Donetsk the Ukrainian militia have handed over to Malaysian experts the black boxes from the Malaysian Boeing-777 airliner...

[deisik]

this phoney 'buk' story is just a distraction. the self defending forces dont have aviation forces (yet). if puplic to be told how exactly the plane was shot down, then it would clear them of any blame.

In this video we see a launch of two BUK-M missiles. Exhaust gasses from a rocket engine will be seen across the sky approximately for 20-30 minutes. More than enough to take a video...

Anyone going to challenge that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing was not taken down by Buk?

It has been reported that Russia supplied the pro russian rebels with the SAMs that were likely used to shoot down the plane.

"It has been reported"... Can you think for yourself?

Now try to coherently explain why there are no photos, no videos, no witnesses' reports (the area is highly populated) to confirm that the airliner was actually shot down by a SAM (either Ukrainian or Russian)...

[Balthazar]

this phoney 'buk' story is just a distraction. the self defending forces dont have aviation forces (yet). if puplic to be told how exactly the plane was shot down, then it would clear them of any blame.

In this video we see a launch of two BUK-M missiles. Exhaust gasses from a rocket engine will be seen across the sky approximately for 20-30 minutes. More than enough to take a video...

Anyone going to challenge that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing was not taken down by Buk?

It has been reported that Russia supplied the pro russian rebels with the SAMs that were likely used to shoot down the plane.

"It has been reported"... Can you think for yourself?

Now try to coherently explain why there are no photos, no videos, no witnesses' reports (the area is highly populated) to confirm that the airliner was actually shot down by a SAM (either Ukrainian or Russian)...

It has been reported that Sun rounds the Earth.
It has been reported that Universe is 6500 years old.
It has been reported that rebels are working with Darth Vader who have shot down the plane using the Death Star.

[Nemo1024]

Wrong Aircraft Identified As Malaysia Flt MH-17 Fuels Doubts
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/20/wrong-aircraft-identified-as-malaysia-flt-mh-17-fuels-doubts/

Also, did anyone take a look at this (it got spammed over by Russia-haters):

Tracing the flight here:
http://planefinder.net/flight/MAS17/time/2014-07-17T11:55:00%20UTC
It disappears over Poland!

 

I still see trolls on various forums saying that freedom fighters were disrespectful of the victims of the crash, and referring to that photo taken from a video out of context.

Perverted truth: How rebel mourning MH17 victims was turned into looter with trophy
http://rt.com/news/174332-ukraine-plane-photo-perverted/

While holding that toy, the man is saying:

“We want those bastards to see whom they shot down,” the man said, “Do you see?” meaning that there were innocent children who died in the crash.

Then he carefully put the toy back to a heap of other items that used to belong to the passengers. After that he took off his cap and marked himself with a sign of the cross paying the tribute to the memory of the victims of the catastrophe.

The "black boxes" are in good condition.

Ukrainian militia hand over MH17 flight recorders to Malaysia
http://rt.com/news/174448-malaysian-pm-mh17-statement/

‘Kiev will have to answer many questions’ as UN urges intl MH17 crash probe – Moscow
http://rt.com/news/174544-un-probe-malaysia-plane/

10 more questions Russian military pose to Ukraine, US over MH17 crash
http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/

The mysterious Carlos - the Spanish air traffic controller in Kiev, turned up, and judging by the accent he is Cuban:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrFCqQvBzf4

[doo]

The number 7 curiously relates to H. P. Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society. “Lucifer” was first published in 1887, and 1887 is the sum of 17 hundreds, 17 tens, and 17 units; H. P. B. lived at 17 Lansdowne Road, and 17 Avenue Road; “Lucifer” was published at 7 Duke Street; 7 volumes were completed at her death; Colonel Olcott first met her at 7 Beckman Street, and later at 71 Broadway, New York. Anna Kingsford was elected president first of the London T. S. Lodge on 7th January 1883; “Isis Unveiled” was published in 1877, and the Third volume of the “Secret Doctrine” was published in 1897, after her death.”

The numerology on this is beyond bizarre, especially after Christine Lagarde's recent statements on the magical power of number 7. A 777, flight 17, goes down on 7/17, of 2 (x7) 14, which is 17 years exactly after its first flight on 7.17.97. It is 133 (adds to 7) days since the other 777, 370, went down on 3/7 / 2x(7)14

[rocking1805]

Where is the American reply on Russian evidence? Russians claimed they are ready to pass their materials to experts, so they probably do not pass fakes. If it is true I really wonder whether Western leaders will finally apologize for demonizing Russia?