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Dutch PM tells Ukraine to stop fighting near MH17 crash sitehttp://rt.com/news/176408-mh17-clashes-inspectors-ukraine/The Dutch Prime Minister, Mark Rutte, has called Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko to ask government forces to stop fighting around the Malaysia Airlines crash site after experts were unable to get there for a third day running. A reader comment. Ha! Guy Moyssen 29.07.2014 12:54
... And rutte said to the neonazi "chocolate king" poroshenko: stop your attacks on civilians using Grad rockets! We need to collect evidence to blame Russia for the downing of the malaysian airliner!
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July 31, 2014, 10:48:52 AM
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Russia fears Kiev trying to destroy implicating MH17 evidencehttp://rt.com/news/176864-ukraine-mh17-evidence-churkin/Kiev authorities may be seeking to “destroy evidence” which implicates their role in the crash of the Malaysian jet, Russia's UN envoy Vitaly Churkin said, expressing concerns over the ongoing military operation in E. Ukraine in breach of UN resolution.
According to Churkin, the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko promised a cease-fire in the disaster area,“but this promise was immediately broken, while Ukrainian officials have publicly announced a new task – to cleanse of the militias and take control of this territory," Churkin said in New York.
Such actions directly violate UN Security Council resolution 2166, which calls for a ceasefire and for thorough and impartial investigation into the Boeing tragedy under the ICAO umbrella, Churkin added.
“We fear that Kiev authorities are moved by the intention to destroy evidence, implicating their role in the Malaysian airliner catastrophe,” Churkin said.
In order to ensure compliance with the ceasefire resolution and reinforce it, on Monday the Russian delegation to the UN proposed to adopt“a simple and unambiguous statement to the press.”
“However, [Russia’s proposal] was unceremoniously blocked by some members of the Security Council, clearly not interested in strict compliance with resolution 2166,” Churkin explained. In the meantime: Dutch, Australian experts reach MH17 crash site for 1st timehttp://rt.com/news/177000-mh17-site-ukraine-experts/What Did US Spy Satellites See in Ukraine?http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/20/what-did-us-spy-satellites-see-in-ukraine/And article by Robert Parry Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile”http://www.globalresearch.ca/german-pilot-speaks-out-shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/5394111Entry and exit impact holes of projectiles in the cockpit area MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed False Flaghttp://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/25/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag-attack/
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“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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July 31, 2014, 01:31:39 PM |
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The western media is generally free to publish whatever they want. They will often restrain themselves to protect their reputation but legally can publish what they wish. The Russian media in the other hand is controlled by the government and is not free to publish what they want.
And you base that assumption on what? How much Russia media to you read or are you just repeating what the Western mass media told you? Have you read numerous articles critical of the government and the policies? Are you still confusing USSR with Russia? Have you heard this news from the Russian media?: http://www.euronews.com/business-newswires/2618306-court-orders-russia-to-pay-50-billion-for-seizing-yukos-assets/Are they free to publish that?? Russia and the former USSR are run by the same types of assholes. At least democracy requires goodwill and effort, sometimes "suspension of disbelief", which the Russians obviously cannot handle because they are too sad and cynical. |
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July 31, 2014, 02:04:44 PM |
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And for the notice, the ones putting more pressure over EU are the former Soviet-ring states now EU members; Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and so on. Not USA or UK.
Don't know what the Russians did there, but those guys don't fancy Russia much.
Well, in Latvia and Lithuania USSR built a strong industrial and agricultural complex. These republics had the highest living standard in the whole of USSR, Where do you keep getting this shit from? Why do you think Lithuania doesn't like Russia much today? Because of Western propaganda? Or maybe because the Baltic states were basically just slave states, forced to export most of the produce East. Explain why the children were forced to learn Russian at school? Can you cut the crap about "state media" or "propaganda"? We know from their governments. When there is some issue with Russia the Western goverments goes with some restrain. Those start right away in a "kill them all" shit. 1. YOU cut the crap. 2. Have you ever wondered why Russia keeps making so many enemies? Perhaps you think it's a genetic trait that makes Lithuania dislike Russian oppression? 3. You think being 'Western' is some kind of disease that needs to be fixed? If it wasn't for Russian looting of Europe, including German rocket and aeroplane technology while retreating after WW2, the Russians would still be a bunch of shepherd hill-billies. |
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July 31, 2014, 02:29:57 PM |
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Sorry man, I guess I didn't understand your statement and thought you were saying I was taking it out of some "western propaganda".
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July 31, 2014, 02:30:41 PM
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More on it here: NEW MH17 SENSATION: German experts point finger at Ukrainian air-force jets.https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/new-mh17-sensation-german-experts-point-finger-at-ukrainian-air-force-jets/Now read this (also German) article by defence expert Bernd Biederman, who offers equally sound reasons why the shooting down could NOT have been from a surface to air missile:
‘ the shooting down of the Malaysian Boeing on July 17 in the Eastern Ukraine “could not have been hit by a surface to air defense missile” .
This is the assessment of retired Colonel Bernd Biedermann in an article for the daily newspaper published in Berlin “new Germany” (Thursday edition). Had splinters from a surface to air missile hit the plane, it would have immediately caught fire, argues the NVA anti-aircraft missile specialist. His reasoning is because of the “enormous frictional heat that the splinters generate on penetrating the fuselage. A single splinter contains the same kinetic energy as a 40-ton freight car hitting the buffers at 60 kilometers per hour.” In the case of the Malaysian Boeing, scattered fires had broken out after the impact with the ground, because hot debris from the aircraft had come in contact with combustible materials.
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Biedermann is familiar with Soviet and Russian air defense technology, he led units in the duty officer system in East Germany and taught at the Military Academy in the field of anti-aircraft missile troops.’
German sources: http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/schockierende-analyse-zum-abschuss-der-malaysian-mh-017/http://www.presseportal.de/pm/59019/2791311/neues-deutschland-nva-raketenspezialist-mh17-nicht-von-boden-luft-rakete-abgeschossen |
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“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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August 01, 2014, 09:19:43 AM |
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OCSE reports that additional remains of corpses of the flight victims, as well as their personal belongings, remain at the crash site: http://ria.ru/world/20140731/1018355299.htmlThe crash site is for the most part unchanged since the observers first saw it. |
“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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August 01, 2014, 11:16:52 AM |
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US does it again through their Kiev puppets!  ‘Wrong time, altered images’ Moscow slams Kiev’s MH17 casehttp://rt.com/news/177296-ukraine-mh17-satellite-images/Satellite images Kiev published as ‘proof’ it didn’t deploy anti-aircraft batteries around the MH17 crash site carry altered time-stamps and are from days after the MH17 tragedy, the Russian Defense Ministry has revealed.
The images, which Kiev claims were taken by its satellites at the same time as those taken by Russian satellites, are neither Ukrainian nor authentic, according to a Moscow statement.
The Defense Ministry said the images were apparently made by an American KeyHole reconnaissance satellite, because the two Ukrainian satellites currently in orbit, Sich-1 and Sich-2, were not positioned over the part of Ukraine’s Donetsk Region shown in the pictures. |
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“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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August 01, 2014, 11:20:23 AM |
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The german media say: "Stoppt Putin jetzt" what rougly means "Stop Putin now". I can't understand this manipulated statement. There are many proofs for the Ukraine, but the german media spread that Russia was the trigger.
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August 01, 2014, 11:25:33 AM |
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The german media say: "Stoppt Putin jetzt" what rougly means "Stop Putin now". I can't understand this manipulated statement. There are many proofs for the Ukraine, but the german media spread that Russia was the trigger.
Because corporate media are tools, which are funded and used to give an excuse for so-called "sanctions". All these "sanctions" have no political basis, they're caused by failure of globalization. Actual purpose of sanctions is to serve as protectionist measures. It's a desperate attempt to save western markets from the competition. |
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Just came across the following site, showing a comprehensive list of things that just don't add up: http://humansarefree.com/2014/07/busted-mh-17-was-in-fact-lost-flight-mh.htmlFor example: 1. A missing window on the wreckage, which appeared in some pictures over the internet.  |
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August 01, 2014, 01:07:52 PM |
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The Ukrainian Armed Forces are using banned phosphorous ammunition once again, this time in Donetsk which is home to more than 1 million people.  |
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August 01, 2014, 02:42:55 PM |
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Just what I was talking about recently...  With machine gun ? 247crypto has say "no hole" for two hours yesterday... And with a blue sky you would see it.
Yes, with a 30 mm machine gun (aircraft cannon). Regarding holes, see these photos: |
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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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August 01, 2014, 09:20:37 PM |
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The video is an English-language interview from CBCNews, so don't get discouraged by the Russia title. Interesting comment (not to be taken completely at face value as with any other YT comment, but it does rhyme with other observations): Duck Duckov
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Bчepa paзгoвapивaл c poдcтвeнникoм c Дoнбacca. Был нa мecтe пaдeния caмoлётa. Bcю жизнь пpopaбoтaл в мopгe. HA БOPTУ БЫЛИ TPУПЫ. ЭTO ПPOBOКAЦИЯ OT HAЧAЛA ДO КOHЦA. Tpyпный зaпax, тeлa c минycoвoй тeмпepaтypoй, тpyпныe пятнa. Talked yesterday to a relative from Donbass. He was at the crash site. He's worked all his life in a morgue. There were dead bodies aboard. This is a provocation from start to end. Putrid smell from corpses, bodies at temperatures below freezing point, corpse spots. |
“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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August 01, 2014, 09:33:04 PM |
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The video is an English-language interview from CBCNews, so don't get discouraged by the Russia title. Interesting comment (not to be taken completely at face value as with any other YT comment, but it does rhyme with other observations): Duck Duckov
34 minutes ago (edited)
Bчepa paзгoвapивaл c poдcтвeнникoм c Дoнбacca. Был нa мecтe пaдeния caмoлётa. Bcю жизнь пpopaбoтaл в мopгe. HA БOPTУ БЫЛИ TPУПЫ. ЭTO ПPOBOКAЦИЯ OT HAЧAЛA ДO КOHЦA. Tpyпный зaпax, тeлa c минycoвoй тeмпepaтypoй, тpyпныe пятнa. Talked yesterday to a relative from Donbass. He was at the crash site. He's worked all his life in a morgue. There were dead bodies aboard. This is a provocation from start to end. Putrid smell from corpses, bodies at temperatures below freezing point, corpse spots. Civilian airliners are sometimes used to carry refrigerated dead bodies in their cargo bay. So this might just be the case. |
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“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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August 02, 2014, 08:23:44 PM |
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They didn't stay there for long, Kiev saw to that: Group of int’l experts leaves MH17 crash site in Donetsk region due to shellinghttp://en.itar-tass.com/world/743322About 80 international specialists have arrived at the crash site, including eight members of the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission, and experts from the Netherlands and Australia
A group of international experts working at the MH17 crash site in the east Ukrainian Donetsk region left the area due to shelling on Saturday.
OSCE spokesperson Shiv Sharma said the situation had become dangerous for the experts and they had left the area.
He said, however, that only one group had left while all the others continued working at the scene. Sharma said that search had not been stopped but the situation was volatile and changing rapidly. |
“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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