Beastlymac - scammed me for 3.1 btc - gridseeds group buy

[Bicknellski]

I have dealt with Beastlymac in good and bad times and I know him to be honest and fair in all his dealings. This situation has strained the limits of how to handle complaints. First I think the party that is HARMED should be doing the speaking and directly communicating with Beastlymac and you will get a result that will be fair. Having someone speak for a brother or friend etc is not how this should be handled. All I know is I have risked 1000s of dollars with Beastlymac and in each case there has been a satisfactory resolution.

Unlike most scammers he is not lying, not trying to cover up he is trying to work through the problem and get a fair resolution. If you are being antagonistic and throwing misinformation and speaking for someone else when you are not involved then I wonder how you expect a resolution.

Suffice to say Beastlymac is not and never has been a scammer and given the effort he has put in here to resolve the issue with this person who isn't even the claimant I am amazed he remained as calm and focused on the resolution. There are some real bad eggs in bitcointalk Beastlymac is definitely a white hat in this. I think it is clearly a vindication of his moral and ethical compass. Communication via forum to resolve such a dispute is not ideal but inflaming the situation and name calling and threats were unnecessary given what I know of Beastlymac he would have worked on a resolution without the need of the injured party proxy starting a thread like this.

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[MultipliedCombo]

So, any update from any party? Has the matter been resolved? I would like to see the resolution to this.

[Beastlymac]

So, any update from any party? Has the matter been resolved? I would like to see the resolution to this.

I have listed the items for auction
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723738.0

[MultipliedCombo]

So, any update from any party? Has the matter been resolved? I would like to see the resolution to this.

I have listed the items for auction
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723738.0

Alright, thanks for the update.

Wonder if there will be a response from the other party.

[bbxx]

not scam ?

Communication is not a form of scam.

deny order, payment,




ignore within few months

I would like to state that my inbox has 2500+ pm's and it is easy to miss 4 in that number.

ship/refund when it is worthless

I have listed the items for auction
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723738.0

mark as scammer customer and his brother





that is whole story of that case

[bbxx]

update
proofs above given.

[Beastlymac]

I did not mark you as a scammer (that is the way the trust system works) I marked you as untrustworthy. I am entitled to do so if I do not trust you. I updated the trust rating and removed the risked amount of 3.1 around a week ago. Although I have proven that you have made slanderous accusations do that makes my feedback valid. I listed the miners for auction because you brother did not reply within the period of 5 days.

[MultipliedCombo]

And so I believe that you have all come to a conclusion and solution.

Also, @bbxx, the 'trust system' is based on trust. It's based on how trustworthy one is, not if you're a scammer.

[Bicknellski]

And so I believe that you have all come to a conclusion and solution.

Also, @bbxx, the 'trust system' is based on trust. It's based on how trustworthy one is, not if you're a scammer.

Made sure to note that I do not trust either bbxx or his "brother". If you want to act like clowns good luck keeping a positive trust rating. It is people like this that make BTC a minefield for consumers and sellers alike.

[bbxx]

Made sure to note that I do not trust either bbxx or his "brother". If you want to act like clowns good luck keeping a positive trust rating.

Gandalfg know personally my brother and me.
He can confirm as you wish (he is at wasp too).

I was hoping that beastlymac will pay for his errors (ignoring communication, pm, emails) but he is not interested in it, neither in deleting unfair trust rating from both accounts.

I would like to state that my inbox has 2500+ pm's and it is easy to miss 4 in that number.

he never responded to curiousminer emails, my brother was asking 3 times using personal messages

Bicknellski, please comment this situation, is it scam for you?

you order goods, pay btc upfront
within 4 months you are informed that you have not paid and havent ordered anything
your goods loose 95% value
finally you are informed that your goods are put at auction and your account is destroyed by false trust rating

is it ok for you ?
or it is scam ?

Beastlymac stated that shipment will be delivered 13.02 but some of guys were mining with them (participants got miners used and 10+ weeks late, some at may, some never).
He also promised compensation, but people got trust rating harmed instead.

put at back your relations with Beastlymac (wasp, etc) and answer fairly

thanks.

Feel free to see his trust rating after gridseed group buys.
Mr Jinx account was destroyed too by beastlymac (he got his 10 gridseeds at may, some used, no psu) instead of compensation. (beastlymac deleted his trust entry at him after i asked him when he will do that)
Any comments?

minedfield? me and my brother? mr Jinx?

Also, @bbxx, the 'trust system' is based on trust. It is people like this that make BTC a minefield for consumers and sellers alike.

Please tell me also is Beastlymac reputation worth thoose 3.1 btc (or more including promised compensation to others scammed?)

[MultipliedCombo]

@bbxx

Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.

If you want to try to get rid of the negative trust, try negotiate with Beastlymac with a cool head.

[Bicknellski]

@bbxx

Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.

If you want to try to get rid of the negative trust, try negotiate with Beastlymac with a cool head.

I will be starting a campaign to get more people to come to this thread and review the lies posted by bbxx. I don't need people like this coming to stalk my threads and cause issues. If you want to start harassing me then I will be sure to make it known what sort of lies and disinformation you are trying to spread.

People coming here may want to use the trust rating system to stand up against bullies like bbxx.

[curiousminer]

@bbxx

Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.

If you want to try to get rid of the negative trust, try negotiate with Beastlymac with a cool head.

I will be starting a campaign to get more people to come to this thread and review the lies posted by bbxx. I don't need people like this coming to stalk my threads and cause issues. If you want to start harassing me then I will be sure to make it known what sort of lies and disinformation you are trying to spread.

People coming here may want to use the trust rating system to stand up against bullies like bbxx.

helo

please state "lies posted by bbxx". i dont see any.


since you (Bicknellski) are not responding to my PM i have sent to you 11 days ago (?), im asking you for public answer to below message:

helo

thank you for taking part in the dispute, since you are senior member i trust you, that beastymac is ok buddy and i made false assumptions based our troubled communication.

i do understand rules of group buy. no refund after order been placed.

now please understand my point: i been told numerous times by beastymac that _im_not_on_order_list. so no goods are wating for me. also please look on order list:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=436031.msg4791442#msg4791442

im not on order list. if i would be, i would provide postal address. but for all that 5 months i been 110% shure there was no goods bought for me.

and suddenly, after numerous pms and emails _witch_been_ignored_, when i asked my bro for help, beastymac comes out with _private_list of goods for me. Imagine that!  the for we (me + my bro) and acting hectic and unpleasant.

also imagine: im not on order list, beastymac is not loosing anything by returning me my cash.

please believe me its not comfortable situation to ask some one on other end of the world for 5 months  for huge amount of cash (for me). its bad karma, ugly energy, filthy story. imho 3.1 btc its much less for some on in australia than for me in poland. and im unexpired user, all that story made me sick of btc bizzness and i dont wont to be involved in it any more becouse of that stinks.

do you understand my point ?

im asking you to talk privatly to beastymac and mediate solution. i willing to back off with my scam assumptions, clear his reputation and publicly state my mistake in communication. im waiting for beastymac to publicly state his mistakes in communication, clear reputation of my bro (it is very important for me) and return of my lost funds.

im not wealthy but i know how to be gentlemen. 

thank you for help and have a nice day, the wasp.

PS: i like bugs and wasps too and im taking active steps to preserve bugs environment.

[bbxx]

@bbxx

Your brother is getting his Bitcoins back when the auction is completed. They were put on auction because your brother didn't respond in the 5 days he was given to respond for another decision. I don't see the point of you continuing to try to denounce Beastlymac.

If you want to try to get rid of the negative trust, try negotiate with Beastlymac with a cool head.

I will be starting a campaign to get more people to come to this thread and review the lies posted by bbxx. I don't need people like this coming to stalk my threads and cause issues. If you want to start harassing me then I will be sure to make it known what sort of lies and disinformation you are trying to spread.

People coming here may want to use the trust rating system to stand up against bullies like bbxx.

please answer to this !

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8285365#msg8285365

if you accusse me being clown, fake brother etc
be fair and respond to my answer

my "lies" are result of Beastlymac lies.
please read this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=718663.msg8308696#msg8308696

thanks

[Beastlymac]

@bbxx you made false claims that your brothers miners had not been submitted to the manufacturer this was proven to be false. You claimed that his order was sent for processing after he had asked for a refund this was also proven to be false.

helo

please state "lies posted by bbxx". i dont see any.


since you (Bicknellski) are not responding to my PM i have sent to you 11 days ago (?), im asking you for public answer to below message:

can you qoute my slanderous lie?

i posted facts that you were denying that curiousminer ordered anything.

where is my lie?

Ok.

Claiming that i don't have a private list.

but he behaved like little rat. he is now telling tales that devices were already ordered...

This was proved to be true. You claimed it wasn't. A lie.

"he lied that he has his miners sealed"

Sent via PM

lying that you have ordered goods

That was proven false

Sent via PM

i dont care you have sent order or not. (it was after he asked about refund). he has not ordered items,

That was again proven to be a lie fabricated to mislead people.

So those are the lies i was able to compile in 10 minutes.

They where made in an attempt to discredit my account and past business relations and are thus slanderous the spamming related to you posting them off topic in other threads (for example here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=707786.0) including one of my sales threads. That post has since been deleted.

[bbxx]

helo

please state "lies posted by bbxx". i dont see any.


since you (Bicknellski) are not responding to my PM i have sent to you 11 days ago (?), im asking you for public answer to below message:

can you qoute my slanderous lie?

i posted facts that you were denying that curiousminer ordered anything.

where is my lie?

Ok.

Claiming that i don't have a private list.

but he behaved like little rat. he is now telling tales that devices were already ordered...

This was proved to be true. You claimed it wasn't. A lie.

"he lied that he has his miners sealed"

Sent via PM

lying that you have ordered goods

That was proven false

Sent via PM

i dont care you have sent order or not. (it was after he asked about refund). he has not ordered items,

That was again proven to be a lie fabricated to mislead people.

So those are the lies i was able to compile in 10 minutes.

They where made in an attempt to discredit my account and past business relations and are thus slanderous the spamming related to you posting them off topic in other threads (for example here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=707786.0) including one of my sales threads. That post has since been deleted.

ok lets dissasemble this post one after one

1.

but he behaved like little rat. he is now telling tales that devices were already ordered...

"telling tales" is lie ? rather assumption that something is wrong

wrong accusation

2.

"he lied that he has his miners sealed"

lying that you have ordered goods

next lie is also false (my wisdom was based at Beastlymac statements)

3.

i dont care you have sent order or not. (it was after he asked about refund). he has not ordered items,

part taken out from private conversation (whole sentence is related to my brother`s will to reserve items not order)

so next lie destroyed

please answer what i have fabricated. screenshoots ?

Bicknellski! this is really pathetic that you are avoiding to answer my post (where you attacking me, naming clown, fake brother)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8285365#msg8285365

be a man and answer!

[bbxx]

@bbxx you made false claims that your brothers miners had not been submitted to the manufacturer this was proven to be false. You claimed that his order was sent for processing after he had asked for a refund this was also proven to be false.

proven to be false?
how can you prove it?

i can prove that you were denying that my brother has not order anything from you ?
(within 4 months)

I would like to state that my inbox has 2500+ pm's and it is easy to miss 4 in that number.

this is your explanation ? or maybe secret list ?

[Bicknellski]

@bbxx you made false claims that your brothers miners had not been submitted to the manufacturer this was proven to be false. You claimed that his order was sent for processing after he had asked for a refund this was also proven to be false.

helo

please state "lies posted by bbxx". i dont see any.


since you (Bicknellski) are not responding to my PM i have sent to you 11 days ago (?), im asking you for public answer to below message:

can you qoute my slanderous lie?

i posted facts that you were denying that curiousminer ordered anything.

where is my lie?

Ok.

Claiming that i don't have a private list.

but he behaved like little rat. he is now telling tales that devices were already ordered...

This was proved to be true. You claimed it wasn't. A lie.

"he lied that he has his miners sealed"

Sent via PM

lying that you have ordered goods

That was proven false

Sent via PM

i dont care you have sent order or not. (it was after he asked about refund). he has not ordered items,

That was again proven to be a lie fabricated to mislead people.
So those are the lies i was able to compile in 10 minutes.

They where made in an attempt to discredit my account and past business relations and are thus slanderous the spamming related to you posting them off topic in other threads (for example here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=707786.0) including one of my sales threads. That post has since been deleted.

If you persist in stalking my threads with disinformation and off topic posts this will only get worse.

I ignore and block unreasonable people who fail to act ethically. At this point both these jokers are continuing this stupid vendetta for now apparent reason.

[bbxx]

If you persist in stalking my threads with disinformation and off topic posts this will only get worse.
I ignore and block unreasonable people who fail to act ethically. At this point both these jokers are continuing this stupid vendetta for now apparent reason.

You named me clown and stating false accusations about lies and fabricated evidences.
I have responded to you.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8285365#msg8285365

you are avoiding answer.

please do it. be fair.

[Beastlymac]

helo

please state "lies posted by bbxx". i dont see any.


since you (Bicknellski) are not responding to my PM i have sent to you 11 days ago (?), im asking you for public answer to below message:

can you qoute my slanderous lie?

i posted facts that you were denying that curiousminer ordered anything.

where is my lie?

Ok.

Claiming that i don't have a private list.

but he behaved like little rat. he is now telling tales that devices were already ordered...

This was proved to be true. You claimed it wasn't. A lie.

"he lied that he has his miners sealed"

Sent via PM

lying that you have ordered goods

That was proven false

Sent via PM

i dont care you have sent order or not. (it was after he asked about refund). he has not ordered items,

That was again proven to be a lie fabricated to mislead people.

So those are the lies i was able to compile in 10 minutes.

They where made in an attempt to discredit my account and past business relations and are thus slanderous the spamming related to you posting them off topic in other threads (for example here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=707786.0) including one of my sales threads. That post has since been deleted.

ok lets dissasemble this post one after one

1.

but he behaved like little rat. he is now telling tales that devices were already ordered...

"telling tales" is lie ? rather assumption that something is wrong

wrong accusation

2.

"he lied that he has his miners sealed"

lying that you have ordered goods

next lie is also false (my wisdom was based at Beastlymac statements)

3.

i dont care you have sent order or not. (it was after he asked about refund). he has not ordered items,

part taken out from private conversation (whole sentence is related to my brother`s will to reserve items not order)

so next lie destroyed

please answer what i have fabricated. screenshoots ?

Bicknellski! this is really pathetic that you are avoiding to answer my post (where you attacking me, naming clown, fake brother)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=712480.msg8285365#msg8285365

be a man and answer!

"Destroyed" interesting that you say if I quote part of a message it means it isn't valid? So that would mean that everything you have posted being quotes would be "destroyed". Your brother wanted to reserve the units? Interesting you come up with something so preposterous. Where anywhere in the sale thread did it say that users where required to pay for reserving units? No where because it wasn't required. You only had to pay if you actually ordered the miners. Are you saying that my quotes are some how invalid or "lies"? honestly? Yes "telling tales" in an attempt to discredit someone is a lie. You making claims that your brothers miners had not been ordered from the manufacturer is a lie.