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April 13, 2015, 09:54:05 AM
Last edit: April 13, 2015, 11:53:43 AM by georgem
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Very hard to disagree with that.

However, look at internet stocks. Back in the late 1990s and early 2000s you would have said the same thing about internet stocks. Now look at them, the wild swings in valuations have normalised and the idiotic businesses have all gone (mostly).

Yes, but cryptocoins are a largely unregulated industry (by definition they are, and should we one day need to ask permission at government level before we can create a new coin, we will all be damned).
That's why I don't believe that we will ever go out of this wild west phase we are in now.

I hope we won't. Because that's what freedom is like. This might go on for an indefinite time.

There will always be new coins, there will always be scams, but there will also always be gems among all the shit.

And the best coins with the biggest network effect will win (and winning in this context is "surviving the longest while maintaining value")

I say that in contrast to stocks, where you are simply not allowed (thru strict regulations) to do the many things of how we create (and anticipate) value within the crypto world.
(I believe that the normalization you see in internet stocks today has mainly come thru intense government regulations and not so much thru free market price discovery)

For example: Insider trading is fortunately not something we have to concern ourselves with in crypto business.
It is not even defined as "crime" because it doesn't make sense to define it as such.
In the contrary, it is a widely accepted practice and nobody has even a problem with that.

What is left are investors asking serious questions about cash flow, profit, added value, realistic business plans, etc; but most importantly, there is a healthy and growing tech sector that is part and parcel of everyday investment planning.

Yes, caveat emptor.
Be aware and act responsibly.

It's your money and if you lose it you are the only person to blame.

No need for government to take responsibility away from the consumers (and killing any innovation before it happens) so that we all can feel more secure,
no, instead let everyone just learn and recognize the immense possibilities that open temselves up over time...

And immense possibilites will alway pose a giant risk, obviously because of all the scammers and copycats,
but also because we just don't know which of all the possible players will have the largest network effect in the end.

The best most promising players might lose out (although they have fancy tech) simply because another player gets a better adoption and the people as a large mass don't like to change to new coins all the time.
(think QWERTY keyboard, and why we haven't had other keyboard layouts for 100 years, and probably never will have...)

Crypto needs to go through this exploratory cycle to find the core applications that are sustainable over the longer-term. But crypto itself is here to stay. Build a compelling proposition, a trusted infrastructure, applications with longevity,  and we can be here over the longer-term.  

Absolutely, that's why I like spreadcoin so much, because it carries the principle of decentralization proudly as its most important rule of how it wants to do business.

And I can think of multiple extremely widespread services, that are in centralized hands,
for example

google,
youtube,
facebook,

etc...

Could servicenodes start and compete with the largest centralized search engine known today?
Can a large enough number of servicenodes (5000+) search and map the net and create a fast and secure searchengine that no single person or institution has control over?

That's my kind of "reaching for the stars" goal!  Grin

And it has DECENTRALIZATION written all over it in large capital letters.

Those are the thoughts I am having and researching.
Stay tuned.

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April 13, 2015, 10:05:24 AM
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I'm personally looking forward to the new launch and will be doing what I can to help where needed.  Its nice to see something offering a different kind of potential compared to the bast majority of other altcoins. 

Not a bad team behind it either Wink
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April 13, 2015, 10:07:22 AM
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Are masternodes working stable ?
I heard they mine ''test'' coin and it is insignificant for now.

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April 13, 2015, 10:44:53 AM
Last edit: April 13, 2015, 11:10:12 AM by coins101
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Are masternodes working stable ?
I heard they mine ''test'' coin and it is insignificant for now.

There is a general update due today from someone on the support / development team.

edit

There is a third round of testing coming up:

http://spreadcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557.msg3282#msg3282
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April 13, 2015, 10:54:59 AM
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There are four more uses cases that I will be adding to our imagineering thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=976031.msg10656234#msg10656234

It will take a week or two to analyze, distill and write-up the market opportunity around each of these new use cases.

@minerpage: can I include your ideas for the media sector?
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April 13, 2015, 02:51:05 PM
Last edit: April 13, 2015, 03:05:49 PM by coins101
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Reviewing the escrow to "your future self", and I think Peter Todd's approach would work pretty well with servicenodes:


with CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY the funds can be stored in scriptPubKeys of the form:

    IF
        <now + 360 months> CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY DROP
        <ServiceNodes's pubkey> CHECKSIGVERIFY
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    ELSE
        2
    ENDIF
    <Alice's pubkey> <Alice's second pubkey> 2 CHECKMULTISIG
At any time the funds can be spent with the following scriptSig:

    <Alice's signature> <Alice's second signature> 0
After 360 months have passed ServiceNodes and one of either Alice or Alice's second signature can spend the funds with the following scriptSig:

    <Alice/Alice's second signature> <SeriviceNodes signature> 1



https://github.com/petertodd/bitcoin/commit/ab0f54f38e08ee1e50ff72f801680ee84d0f1bf4

Whatever the actual code is, giving it a time lock and demonstrating that you are both the donor and the recipient means you should be able to get authorization to put this into a pension pot and have whatever funds get in there qualify for the various pension tax reliefs.
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April 13, 2015, 04:12:04 PM
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Hey there, I followed Nvidia mining instructions. Miner working, but I only see hashes, my .bat file is as follows (as instructed in guide)

Code:
spreadminer -o http://127.0.0.1:41677 -u rpcuser -p rpcpass

And yes, my wallet is encrypted. Am I actually mining?

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April 13, 2015, 04:37:40 PM
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Hey there, I followed Nvidia mining instructions. Miner working, but I only see hashes, my .bat file is as follows (as instructed in guide)

Code:
spreadminer -o http://127.0.0.1:41677 -u rpcuser -p rpcpass

And yes, my wallet is encrypted. Am I actually mining?

Yes. If you see the miner hashing - you are mining.
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April 13, 2015, 08:40:56 PM
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Great story about micro loans:



http://cointelegraph.com/news/113946/now-you-can-take-out-bitcoin-micro-loans-on-reddit

I read a research paper a few years back that people in third world countries take the repayment of small micro loans so very seriously that there are hardly any defaults.

It was a paper published by the world bank, if you want to ask auntie Google.
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April 13, 2015, 11:33:20 PM
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That was a nice little run with difficulty at 3/4

Hardly any rejects  Cool
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April 14, 2015, 06:56:50 AM
Last edit: April 14, 2015, 11:35:03 AM by defunctec
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===============SPREADCOIN PROGRESS REPORT 14/04/2015===============

From an investor prospective.

Spreadcoin is risky!

Current marketcap of around $16,000-$18,000, 2,000,000 SPR in circulation, making each SPR worth around 0.007c.

1 BTC invested will bring you around 23,000SPR, looking at bittrex orderbooks.

MrSpread is gone. A few of the community members have voluntarily agreed to take on the role as SPR's new dev team, the community accepted this quite well.

The future of SPR is uncertain.

Before MrSpread vanished he created an amazing variation of eduffield's (DASH) masternode network.
It consisted of only 1440 masternodes, a unique voting system in which only 1440 MN's could be on the network, meaning if your MN scored poorly (Due to low amount of SPR or bad communication with the network) you will be kicked from the list and a more stable better collateralized MN would be inserted.

In testnet, the MN network seemed to work.
Then MrSpread left? Maybe because the "no pool" future wasn't as fool proof as he thought.

Not much has really happened in the 6-8 weeks of MrSpreads disappearance.

Georgem has recreated the windows qt wallet from scratch and is working on the other wallets.
He's also working on the website and mods spreadcointalk.org.
If i'm not mistaken ,georgem will also be working on the MN code.
Alot of time, alot of work. Will it take months to release MN's for testing?
If so we are going to see price volatility(up and down) from current price levels as investors get uneasy about how much time is being taken to release the network.

So the question is, will the new dev team manage to re-rail Spreadcoin, consolidate issues like (website,blockex)? Can they tweak the code MrSpread left and release the MN network, within a reasonable time period?

Worth a bet IMO.
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April 14, 2015, 07:08:31 AM
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===============SPREADCOIN PROGRESS REPORT 09/04/2015===============

From an investor prospective.

Spreadcoin is risky!

Current marketcap of around $16,000-$18,000, 2,000,000 SPR in circulation, making each SPR worth around 0.007c.

1 BTC invested will bring you around 23,000SPR, looking at bittrex orderbooks.

MrSpread is gone. A few of the community members have voluntarily agreed to take on the role as SPR's new dev team, the community accepted this quite well.

The future of SPR is uncertain.

Before MrSpread vanished he created an amazing variation of eduffield's (DASH) masternode network.
It consisted of only 1440 masternodes, a unique voting system in which only 1440 MN's could be on the network, meaning if your MN scored poorly (Due to low amount of SPR or bad communication with the network) you will be kicked from the list and a more stable better collateralized MN would be inserted.

In testnet, the MN network seemed to work.
Then MrSpread left? Maybe because the "no pool" future wasn't as fool proof as he thought.

Not much has really happened in the 6-8 weeks of MrSpreads disappearance.

Georgem has recreated the windows qt wallet from scratch and is working on the other wallets.
He's also working on the website and mods spreadcointalk.org.
If i'm not mistaken ,georgem will also be working on the MN code.
Alot of time, alot of work. Will it take months to release MN's for testing?
If so we are going to see price volatility(up and down) from current price levels as investors get uneasy about how much time is being taken to release the network.

So the question is, will the new dev team manage to re-rail Spreadcoin, consolidate issues like (website,blockex)? Can they tweak the code MrSpread left and release the MN network, within a reasonable time period?

Worth a bet IMO.

well put ...

it may be worth the bet ...

the real question is - how much is it worth to bet on spr ...

just how much indeed ...

#crysx

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April 14, 2015, 07:26:58 AM
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I'm certainly looking to build a bag.  (off exchange offers welcomed Wink )

Probably the riskiest punt I'll take in crypto outside of a gambling site but the potential of the masternodes hasn't passed me by.  DRK/Dash clone this is not.
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April 14, 2015, 07:29:56 AM
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well put ...

it may be worth the bet ...

the real question is - how much is it worth to bet on spr ...

just how much indeed ...

#crysx

Lets see,

Only got 1 BTC? I'd say 0.05 - 0.1 BTC invested in SPR.

Got 10? 0.5 - 1 BTC worth?
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April 14, 2015, 07:33:31 AM
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well put ...

it may be worth the bet ...

the real question is - how much is it worth to bet on spr ...

just how much indeed ...

#crysx

Lets see,

Only got 1 BTC? I'd say 0.05 - 0.1 BTC invested in SPR.

Got 10? 0.5 - 1 BTC worth?

one tenth of the stock holding ...

sounds good ...

we mined most of ours - and are on bittrex currently ...

the farm is put elsewhere now - so mining has stopped but the trade hasnt Smiley ...

but your calculations are worthy of keeping a small amount ...

#crysx

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For the past month, 0.00002800 has been the floor.


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April 14, 2015, 01:49:04 PM
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Devs
Georgem
gjhiggins
elbandi
Gladimor (TBC)
A-Russo
MrSpread (MIA)


Technical & Occasional
e1ghtSpace
chrysophylax
Chup
thelonecrouton

Support and project development contributors
Minerpage
njs811
defunctec
Coins101
AnotherNode
MyFarm (MIA)

Let me know if you want to be added, removed, re-allocated from the above.


Others: Private pools / mining

etc....

tl;dr

Spread to the moon ($10m) Grin

Sorry guys I have been away a few days with family... so I missed all the good stuff here.

Awesome work everybody.
I like how it all comes together...

Please join me in the discussion about DRAFT for new ANN thread / Website

http://spreadcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557.0

So when the new ANN drops, so will the new MN network?

You always need a bit of luck, but with a team like this and a project that is new to market, you can make your own luck and force the competition to respond to you.

With a ServiceNode offering, we will be a very low cost operator - possibly the lowest cost operator if we keep processes away from excessive human intervention and create systems that reduce compliance costs.

Try competing on price with them apples.

Luck is mainly for gambling. We are creating and investing. Two very different things.

Hey Stonehedge - Welcome to the team  Smiley
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April 14, 2015, 01:51:07 PM
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well put ...

it may be worth the bet ...

the real question is - how much is it worth to bet on spr ...

just how much indeed ...

#crysx

Lets see,

Only got 1 BTC? I'd say 0.05 - 0.1 BTC invested in SPR.

Got 10? 0.5 - 1 BTC worth?

one tenth of the stock holding ...

sounds good ...

we mined most of ours - and are on bittrex currently ...

the farm is put elsewhere now - so mining has stopped but the trade hasnt Smiley ...

but your calculations are worthy of keeping a small amount ...

#crysx

Thanks for the liquidity for newcomers  Wink
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April 14, 2015, 01:54:21 PM
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well put ...

it may be worth the bet ...

the real question is - how much is it worth to bet on spr ...

just how much indeed ...

#crysx

Lets see,

Only got 1 BTC? I'd say 0.05 - 0.1 BTC invested in SPR.

Got 10? 0.5 - 1 BTC worth?

one tenth of the stock holding ...

sounds good ...

we mined most of ours - and are on bittrex currently ...

the farm is put elsewhere now - so mining has stopped but the trade hasnt Smiley ...

but your calculations are worthy of keeping a small amount ...

#crysx

Thanks for the liquidity for newcomers  Wink

not an issue Cheesy ...

if the farm was larger - we would be mining 24 / 7 for spr ...

soon - soon ... Wink ...

#crysx

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April 14, 2015, 01:57:56 PM
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I don't like fixed count of masternodes.
It would lead to more centralized ownership.. sooner or later..

It's not average user friendly.
It's a rich guys friendly..  Wink
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