[SHUTTING DOWN] [DiceBitco.in | BE THE BANK ! | 1% House Edge]

[Cluster2k]

I haven't but I took a bunch of screenshots, so I will be looking over this more thoroughly.  I can tell you from feel though that it started happening around when I hit 410 BTC

It's best to stick to hard evidence than feelings.  I remember when Nakowa was having his way with Just Dice and cleaning out the investors.  During a break from betting dooglus changed the was seeds were used or calculated (details are buried on this forum) and after that Nakowa started to hand back his winnings when betting resumed.  Of course, Nakowa accused dooglus of rigging the site even though it was still provably fair.  Nakowa said the game just didn't 'feel' the same.

We know DB cheated once, and it seems something odd is happening again.  Under no circumstances should a betting log ever change, no matter when it's viewed or how.  If DB is relying on realtime calculated values when showing bet logs then it's not a true log of what happened.  DB's admin gave the explanation that max bet size had changed in one place but not another.  Nope, that shouldn't have any impact at all if the site is programmed properly.

[dooglus]

I remember when Nakowa was having his way with Just Dice and cleaning out the investors.  During a break from betting dooglus changed the was seeds were used or calculated (details are buried on this forum) and after that Nakowa started to hand back his winnings when betting resumed.  Of course, Nakowa accused dooglus of rigging the site even though it was still provably fair.  Nakowa said the game just didn't 'feel' the same.

I don't remember exactly either. We did change the provably fair algorithm to use the nonce in multiple places rather than just one, but I don't think nakowa noticed or cared. I think what got him mad was when we cut the max profit per bet from 1% of the bankroll to 0.25% (we put put back up to 0.5% a couple of days later). That won't have changed the rolls at all, but he seemed to think it stopped him being able to win. I suggested that if he just scaled all his bets down by a factor of 4 it would have no effect at all, and he would continue to win, just 4 times slower.

[JoeMattie]

Okay from looking at my logs, it seems like they turned the "nonce skipper" / "fake bet injector" on and off several times.   I'll post more complete logs tomorrow.


Dooglus, would you please weigh in on this?  Specifically: on the bogus withdrawal and manipulated bets?

[Dabs]

I don't remember exactly either. We did change the provably fair algorithm to use the nonce in multiple places rather than just one, but I don't think nakowa noticed or cared.

I'd like to claim I was instrumental in this change. I kept mentioning it to dooglus after I had bet 1.2 million times, ... something along the lines of "you are changing only 1 byte at a time in a predictable way" ... and "the hash of 0001 will not be the same as the hash of 0002, therefore the roll will be different among the uniform distribution of the hash function".

Then, I realized, we've been using HMAC, which uses the hash twice, so the changes don't matter, and what I said is no longer true (okay, fine, maybe it was never true, even if using the bare SHA256/512 hash.)

BTW doog, I have a post on your thread asking about your server specs. I read something you posted on the 2+2 poker forum and I'm inspired; something like "I spent $0 on it." heheheheh. Some doofus was ranting that just-dice had a hyphen.

[Soappa]

Dicebitcoin, what is your excuse this time for skipping the nonce, faking the bet history, and claiming the 168.9999 btc withdrawal is processed when the destination address is wrong?

[Seketsuna]

Dicebitcoin, what is your excuse this time for skipping the nonce, faking the bet history, and claiming the 168.9999 btc withdrawal is processed when the destination address is wrong?

they won't make any excuse now coz they've been caught twice already. Its already foolish if they make another excuse

[Soappa]

Dicebitcoin, what is your excuse this time for skipping the nonce, faking the bet history, and claiming the 168.9999 btc withdrawal is processed when the destination address is wrong?

they won't make any excuse now coz they've been caught twice already. Its already foolish if they make another excuse

I don't know. May be they have hired another new staff recently lol.

Frankly speaking after they locked the thread last time, I was expecting they to run away with everyone's bitcoin.
To my surprise, they came back, (make up a story to) explain what happened, and regain a certain degree of trust from gamblers and investors.

[leex1528]

I am so confused what is actually happening with this site? 

Is it legit?  It is safe?  Are they bringing back the sig campaign?  Whats going on!?

[jaysabi]

I am so confused what is actually happening with this site?  

Is it legit?  It is safe?  Are they bringing back the sig campaign?  Whats going on!?

NO, it is not safe. They've been caught cheating again, and they ripped off someone who managed to win by not paying him over 160 btc that he won. DO NOT DEPOSIT HERE.

[Cluster2k]

I am so confused what is actually happening with this site? 

Is it legit?  It is safe?  Are they bringing back the sig campaign?  Whats going on!?

There are still unexplained things going on at DB.  Previously it was deliberate fraud, now there's a question about verifying bets and skipped bets.  I don't see where DB's admin can go with this.  When it comes to betting, verification, payouts and logs, the site has to be perfect.  100% bug free. 

The latest explanation from the admin was that a value was updated in the database but not the user interface.  It doesn't address other allegations, and also raises concerns about the programming done.  Why DB's admin would store the same value in multiple locations is a mystery.  Surely that opens up the easy possibility of errors if one location is changed but not another.

When problems are raised the official line from DB's admin appears to be 'why are you still playing here, go away, I don't need you'. 

[Minnlo]

Why are the people still playing and investing in DB (still over 1500 btc in the bankroll), when it has been caught cheating not once but twice?!

[suchmoon]

Why are the people still playing and investing in DB (still over 1500 btc in the bankroll), when it has been caught cheating not once but twice?!

Perhaps these players and investors are not reading Bitcointalk. With the chat disabled on the site there isn't really any indication that something might be wrong.

[dooglus]

Okay from looking at my logs, it seems like they turned the "nonce skipper" / "fake bet injector" on and off several times.   I'll post more complete logs tomorrow.

Dooglus, would you please weigh in on this?  Specifically: on the bogus withdrawal and manipulated bets?

The screenshots you posted are pretty compelling evidence.

I guess it's possible you faked them, but I don't see why you would.

It looks like the site has been caught cheating again, this time it's a little more sophisticated than the last, because the skipped bets are now being inserted after you randomize.

DB's failure to even attempt to address your concerns is very alarming. Why was the withdrawal transaction sent to a different address than the address you requested? Why was your winning bet skipped? Why was the stake of your last bet adjusted after you randomized? It's hard to find any reasonable explanation other than the obvious one.

[IamNotSure]

I'll leave that here :

SCAM ALERT
DO NOT INVEST
DO NOT PLAY
DO NOT DEPOSIT

[pawel7777]

I'll leave that here :

SCAM ALERT
DO NOT INVEST
DO NOT PLAY
DO NOT DEPOSIT

DO WITHDRAW
if they let you...

[suchmoon]

I bumped the scam thread too just in case...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774120.0

[JoeMattie]

Okay from looking at my logs, it seems like they turned the "nonce skipper" / "fake bet injector" on and off several times.   I'll post more complete logs tomorrow.

Dooglus, would you please weigh in on this?  Specifically: on the bogus withdrawal and manipulated bets?

The screenshots you posted are pretty compelling evidence.

I guess it's possible you faked them, but I don't see why you would.

It looks like the site has been caught cheating again, this time it's a little more sophisticated than the last, because the skipped bets are now being inserted after you randomize.

DB's failure to even attempt to address your concerns is very alarming. Why was the withdrawal transaction sent to a different address than the address you requested? Why was your winning bet skipped? Why was the stake of your last bet adjusted after you randomized? It's hard to find any reasonable explanation other than the obvious one.

Thank you doog

[Bobblehead Pete]

I bumped the scam thread too just in case...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774120.0

Bump it again..Dont let this thread be bury with another threads.

[dooglus]

The screenshots you posted are pretty compelling evidence.

I guess it's possible you faked them, but I don't see why you would.

It looks like the site has been caught cheating again, this time it's a little more sophisticated than the last, because the skipped bets are now being inserted after you randomize.

DB's failure to even attempt to address your concerns is very alarming. Why was the withdrawal transaction sent to a different address than the address you requested? Why was your winning bet skipped? Why was the stake of your last bet adjusted after you randomized? It's hard to find any reasonable explanation other than the obvious one.

Thank you doog

Did you get your withdrawal yet? Or any contact from DB about it?

[dooglus]

Another person flat betting draining the bankroll. Different % to mateo but god damn are they eating those investors up.

If dooglus is reading, do you keep track of DB's daily profits? Haven't been checking daily myself but the last time I checked recently the site was over 300 BTC in profit.

Here's the last week:

Thu Sep 25 11:37:39 PDT 2014   profit:   347.36154979   invested:   2,298.78550135 wagered:   122,777.9214            bets:   64,378,604 BANKROLL: 1,700.93218403
Fri Sep 26 10:41:53 PDT 2014   profit:   346.31582174   invested:   2,306.96769287 wagered:   122,801.3792            bets:   66,018,485 BANKROLL: 1,708.06752450
Sat Sep 27 08:52:36 PDT 2014   profit:   345.36988643   invested:   2,254.50864455 wagered:   122,891.5668            bets:   68,318,922 BANKROLL: 1,654.47788169
Sun Sep 28 08:03:20 PDT 2014   profit:   349.58921382   invested:   2,266.82365660 wagered:   123,088.0629            bets:   70,107,926 BANKROLL: 1,671.01212147
Mon Sep 29 08:17:29 PDT 2014   profit:   353.78441815   invested:   2,256.48942507 wagered:   123,249.6923            bets:   71,814,050 BANKROLL: 1,644.88195198
Tue Sep 30 11:12:39 PDT 2014   profit:   364.89187757   invested:   2,263.59856849 wagered:   123,349.1735            bets:   74,181,552 BANKROLL: 1,663.08966654
Wed Oct  1 09:24:36 PDT 2014   profit:   208.31987364   invested:   2,260.62600403 wagered:   136,597.5845            bets:   75,914,513 BANKROLL: 1,503.54363749
Thu Oct  2 11:08:26 PDT 2014   profit:   208.37291328   invested:   2,261.81990169 wagered:   136,609.2553            bets:   77,659,852 BANKROLL: 1,504.78952681