[SHUTTING DOWN] [DiceBitco.in | BE THE BANK ! | 1% House Edge]

[Dabs]

It's going down. That's not good. Legit or not.

[dooglus]

It's going down. That's not good. Legit or not.

The profit? Or the bankroll?

I tried plotting profit against wagered because it was looking like the win rate was far too high until the recent whale activity. It turns out that since the site was first caught cheating they had been profiting around 3% of the wagered amount, but the whale stopped that:



So I don't know if the 3% was just luck, or if it was continued nonce-skipping - but if it was nonce-skipping, why was the recent whale allowed to win so much?

[suchmoon]

why was the recent whale allowed to win so much?

Are you referring to the whale who was then unable to withdraw? That makes it kind of a moot point doesn't it? Perhaps there was a bug in the nonce-skipping code (e.g. a new developer committed rogue code), perhaps Joe managed to exploit something, but in any case it looks like DB did not intend to allow that to happen even if it meant stealing* a withdrawal in broad daylight.

* - based on the information we have been presented so far.

[dooglus]

why was the recent whale allowed to win so much?

Are you referring to the whale who was then unable to withdraw? That makes it kind of a moot point doesn't it? Perhaps there was a bug in the nonce-skipping code (e.g. a new developer committed rogue code), perhaps Joe managed to exploit something, but in any case it looks like DB did not intend to allow that to happen even if it meant stealing* a withdrawal in broad daylight.

* - based on the information we have been presented so far.

Yeah, I mean Joe. Is Joe AKCoinDigger?

Having a whale win a whole load of coins and then refusing to pay him his winnings looks so much worse than skipping his nonces, making him lose, and then filling in the skipped nonces after the fact and manipulating the database to make it look like no nonces were skipped. Then it's his word (and screenshots) against theirs. I guess the nonce-skipping code must have malfunctioned for Joe for some reason?

Hey DB, what's the official story here? Is there one, or are you just openly a scam site now?

[Eisenhower34]

It's going down. That's not good. Legit or not.

The profit? Or the bankroll?

I tried plotting profit against wagered because it was looking like the win rate was far too high until the recent whale activity. It turns out that since the site was first caught cheating they had been profiting around 3% of the wagered amount, but the whale stopped that:



So I don't know if the 3% was just luck, or if it was continued nonce-skipping - but if it was nonce-skipping, why was the recent whale allowed to win so much?

I would suspect they are stealing from both investors and gamblers.

I suspect they are either skipping nonces (maybe to less of an extent then as before) or otherwise cheating. They then play against themselves to rob investors of some of their earnings.

They are just cheating both in a way that makes it too obvious something is wrong as the site profit is going up and down almost in a predictable way.

[NLNico]

169 BTC withdrawal of AK was sent to:
https://blockchain.info/address/19PookpZQEM2VgmwRzST3SPwcXtKcu3quy
according to DB.

Regarding the apparent max profit mismatch we have changed the max profit percentage to 1% in the database but we forgot to change it on the UI. This is why there are bets with higher profit than the displayed max. This can only happen though if one is using a bot to submit bets because the UI prevents the submission of such bets. After latest big win though, we are decreasing the max bet to 0.2% of BR. We cant take that variance anymore.

Payment is sent. https://blockchain.info/tx/42e448116787a3a9c38eedfb76f73d42f95d85de281cee5abd9b055d647dce6f

Enjoy your profits.

As for people who keep screaming scam scam scam, why you bother playing at us then? There are so many other dice sites,and respectable like dice.ninja, feel free and go play there. Depositing and playing on a "scammy" site, makes no sense to me. Im tired of arguments. I beg you, dont play here!

Regards

Then all of the 169 BTC was sent to:
https://blockchain.info/address/1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL

That address "1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL" is mentioned in this scam accusation thread and accused to have 1000+ BTC stolen:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=744692.0;all

So... what is going on here 

Some Blockchain research on the scam:

I think most of the BTC is now here (last transaction just 2 hours ago, so he's busy moving the money  ):
https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL

It was previously on:
https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1JvAoBTTgF36Xj7gJkpfcNHsBA8tMSyfHb

This transaction for example, has five btc 0.47704704 payments, which was the price for the 150GH/s server that day.
https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/023f860b63e21e839cbd02bfefea238650df1e18e73abc68153c72bdaf6faa83

An interesting graph of the received payments:
https://blockchain.info/nl/charts/received-per-day?timespan=60days&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=1JvAoBTTgF36Xj7gJkpfcNHsBA8tMSyfHb

What is this address where it ended up 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL?

I lost 748.75 bitcoins on the 23rd of September 2014, most of which ended up at 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL. I'm very interested to know who controls it. I suspect the hack resulted from the bash bug. Attack vectors could be from using the public wifi of Puri Dewa Bharata Hotel & Villas in Legian, Bali, Indonesia or an employee at Blizzard slipping in code into the update, as coins were moved very shortly after updating StarCraft II.

My set up was Bitcoin-QT unencrypted on Mac OS X 10.9.4.

https://blockchain.info/tx/7c67634b40d85ae08a6300a0f8613455d5d687772f9b982a11597418d805dd3d

[snarlpill]

^ Oh my goodness this shit keeps getting crazier and crazier...  down the rabbit hole we go! Good find!

And by the way, don't you just love it when scammers/thieves re-use the same Bitcoin addresses for Multiple scams??? It's like they don't even think to click once and make a new address to at least have one degree of separation so that they are not Instantly linked together from a simple Google search.

[NLNico]

Well to be honest 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL could be a hot wallet from another website, which would mean 19PookpZQEM2VgmwRzST3SPwcXtKcu3quy is a deposit address there. And it would mean these other scams perhaps mixed their coins a little bit through this other gambling / exchange / etc website. Still I thought it was relevant to post.


Either way I think everyone is very much wondering what DB has to say.

[JoeMattie]

The screenshots you posted are pretty compelling evidence.

I guess it's possible you faked them, but I don't see why you would.

It looks like the site has been caught cheating again, this time it's a little more sophisticated than the last, because the skipped bets are now being inserted after you randomize.

DB's failure to even attempt to address your concerns is very alarming. Why was the withdrawal transaction sent to a different address than the address you requested? Why was your winning bet skipped? Why was the stake of your last bet adjusted after you randomized? It's hard to find any reasonable explanation other than the obvious one.

Thank you doog

Did you get your withdrawal yet? Or any contact from DB about it?

Nothing

[JoeMattie]

why was the recent whale allowed to win so much?

Are you referring to the whale who was then unable to withdraw? That makes it kind of a moot point doesn't it? Perhaps there was a bug in the nonce-skipping code (e.g. a new developer committed rogue code), perhaps Joe managed to exploit something, but in any case it looks like DB did not intend to allow that to happen even if it meant stealing* a withdrawal in broad daylight.

* - based on the information we have been presented so far.

Yeah, I mean Joe. Is Joe AKCoinDigger?

Having a whale win a whole load of coins and then refusing to pay him his winnings looks so much worse than skipping his nonces, making him lose, and then filling in the skipped nonces after the fact and manipulating the database to make it look like no nonces were skipped. Then it's his word (and screenshots) against theirs. I guess the nonce-skipping code must have malfunctioned for Joe for some reason?

Hey DB, what's the official story here? Is there one, or are you just openly a scam site now?

Yes, I'm AKCoinDigger

[JoeMattie]

It looks like that address is for btc-e:

re:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2hv0jd/i_think_someone_just_tried_to_steal_my_coins_but/


Also mentioned in the "100 BTC disappeared from primedice" thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=791367.new

etc.

https://www.blocktrail.com/address/1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL/links

[vinboy]

tried to withdraw 1.08890000 more than 24 hours ago but still not going through.. the ticket system also no reply.
this is bad.

[Tammy Chan]

tried to withdraw 1.08890000 more than 24 hours ago but still not going through.. the ticket system also no reply.
this is bad.

This is really bad.
During the mateo incident, users were scammed with skipping nonce, but the withdrawals still went through AFAIK.

[williamj2543]

Why are people still using this site? Its a confirmed scam, stay away!

[vinboy]

tried to withdraw 1.08890000 more than 24 hours ago but still not going through.. the ticket system also no reply.
this is bad.

ok withdrawn. thank you

[conspirosphere.tk]

I would suspect they are stealing from both investors and gamblers.

+1. I invested 1.6 BTC months ago and now I found that just 0.43 BTC remain.
But the site profit is still positive, so it seems like a scam and quacks like a scam.

[moreia]

AKCoinDigger is not DB, a simple google can figure that out

[Tammy Chan]

AKCoinDigger is not DB, a simple google can figure that out

Of course AKCoinDigger is not DiceBitcoin.
AKCoinDigger is JoeMattie, and he has been a victim of the scam and has been waiting for his withdrawal for more than 2 days now.

Yeah, I mean Joe. Is Joe AKCoinDigger?

-snip-

Yes, I'm AKCoinDigger

[mindset]

Here's where they say that malware redirected AK/JoeMattie's manual withdrawal to the wrong address.

[moreia]

AKCoinDigger is not DB, a simple google can figure that out

Of course AKCoinDigger is not DiceBitcoin.
AKCoinDigger is JoeMattie, and he has been a victim of the scam and has been waiting for his withdrawal for more than 2 days now.

Yeah, I mean Joe. Is Joe AKCoinDigger?

-snip-

Yes, I'm AKCoinDigger

Ugh blonde moment, I commented based off of names I saw on DB and previous sites, confused myself. Disregard my post
Hope you get your coins AK, a mistake playing at a site already known to be a scam