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October 05, 2014, 11:36:45 AM
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This is the only dice site which gained a million trust then destroyed it in minutes then again trying to gain it , lol very popular site but not because of fairness Cheesy

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October 05, 2014, 04:24:13 PM
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Aaaaaand that's what I meant by a lot of vigilante justice talk in these threads. For every 100 instances you see of stuff like this, there are 0 instances where anyone ever does anything about it.

Say you manage to get a name and an address. What are you gonna do, risk a felony assault charge over a fraction of a bitcoin? Why bother with hollow threats? It's not gonna make a scammer suddenly return the money he stole.

Justice will be served....over $100?
You'll lose more money driving to their house than making what you lost lol
Wowww. Calm down, you two. I think i was misinterpreted here...
I'm not going to personally "take revenge" for the 0.251 BTC. I was just pointing out that some people are quite angry at this scammer, and it might hurt his professional life outside of this online scam.
Your post came across as if you were threatening to get justice over your .25btc lol, thanks for clearing that up
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October 05, 2014, 06:24:50 PM
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OP is unlocked, and official announcement is here :  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789339.new#new  

OFFICIAL DICEBITCO.IN ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT THE SKIPPED NONCES INCIDENT
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Hello everybody. There has been a lot of speculation going around, especially since we decided to stop forum announcements/communications and locked our official topic. Threfore, we decided to come straight and give all the explanations people wanted/demanded.


Due to the massive and fast growth of DiceBitcoin, we decided to hire one more coder, who would help us with the load (new features, various fixes, etc) we were dealing with. If you were following DB from the start, you would notice that every few days we were fixing / upgrading / implementing new features non stop. We had and still have tons of ideas and things we want to deploy, so we decided that hiring one more guy would be a good idea. We first assigned him some simple tasks and he was quickly adapting to the demanding environment that we have. The payment agreement was a simple one that we thought it would give extra motivation to work harder: 20% of our cut, per month. So far so good.


However,  thats where the problem apparently begun. On 27th of August, we merged some of his changes without proper review of the code. We made sure that the build is not broken - that all tests were passing. There are no excuses for that. We didn’t review it like we should, and thats how we ended up in this shitty situation. The code, which went live, was allowing the skipping of winning bets when the bet met some criteria (e.g. the bet wins X amount of btc with odd higher than Y). This was not active by default, he had to chose manually which player to ‘cheat’ and this is why not all users were affected. That was a totally stupid way to implement it, since if you do that, the bets will not be verifiable since the nonce sequence would be broken. But we will return to that in awhile.


On the 7th of September, one of our players (finnile) noticed that something was wrong on his rolls. All his rolls were skipping winning nonces. When we confirmed it, we halted betting for everyone immediately (made all accounts invest-only, so betting was prohibited). It took us a lot of time to find out WTF was happening and just winning bets were skipped. Our first thought was that our database was having issues but then again why only the winning bets?. When we found out that in fact this was deliberate we looked for malicious code. We wrote some failing tests, due to non verifiability of the bets, then rolled back the commit that introduced this and having tests passing we deployed the fix and we re enabled betting.In addition, we refunded EVERY PLAYER who lost his coins due to this malicious code, from our own stash of bitcoins, leaving both the website's and investors' coins completely untouched. We took full responsibility for the mistake and we paid for it.


However, what followed was chaos(or shall i say, bank run).A lot of trolls, both on chat and on the forum didnt lose a chance and went apeshit on us, scaring everyone away and warming users to pull their coins immediately because we would steal them - disappear them - abracadabra them. What we did though, was non stop refunds on accounts that got negatively affected by this, processing thousand coins withdrawals and refilling the hot wallet. Betting resumed since the incident was fixed on the spot, and all refunds were carried by our stash, leaving investors intact, giving them zero reason to worry about their coins. Although, they were free to act at will. Not to mention investors were the only ones that got massive profit out of this!


In around 24hrs past the incident, the bankroll shrinked from 7500 coins to ~1700. Then,we had one user, mateo, which was hitting the bankroll non stop for almost 12hrs more, eating almost 600 BTC of profit (site was ~288 BTC profit prior to the 7th of September and around -320 BTC when mateo stopped playing).. Lot of speculation exists as well around that user, so please allow me to elaborate. User mateo was registered on 2014-08-06 18:22:05 and before the incident of 7th of September was -33 BTC in total. The date he registered the other developer was not hired yet, so it is impossible that it was him. The new hire had no access to the database (or to the production server) which means that it is impossible for him to know other users’ seeds. On top of that, mateo did randomize his rolls before he goes on with his crazy streak (my guess would be to verify if he got affected by the malicious code - btw he was not affected). Given all those facts there is 0% chance it could be someone that knew the server seed and played against it. When he asked for a withdrawal when done, we are left astonished with that run (like we didn’t have enough shit already to deal with). We postponed his withdrawal for several hours. We went through his rolls again and again, we searched every possible way of ”cheating”. Everything was legit, so we paid him out.

Story doesn’t finish here though! Bankroll was left ”bleeding” and nearly dead at around ~500 BTC, when people started investing little by little again. Finally two days ago, when we touched ~1k BTC bankroll again (and ~1700 BTC invested, exactly as it was before he started his crazy run), mateo returned. He made a massive deposit of 650 BTC, and after near half day of betting plus lot of fluctuations (we was winning up to 140 BTC at one point again - that sure made us shit our pants) he ended up losing everything he won on his previous lucky run plus some more. So what that means? That means that everyone who did not divest when mateo won, didn’t lose a single satoshi and made a very nice return on top (let alone those that invested after mateos’ huge win and stayed invested until his bust).

So does this make it right for everyone? Has our behavior been correct?
The answer is "No".

We did 3 mistakes. I will get to all 3 of them in detail among with solution.
   
1   We put code live on our site, without testing. No excuses for that. Its no others' fault apart from ours, and we took full responsibility for it (that is why we paid from our own stash of bitcoins, and not from   investors' or sites' coins). Our fault, our bill. We decided from now on that only we will work on this project, even if it means that future features will be delayed.
2   When shit hit the fan, we said that we will not refund people who didn’t lose from that (i.e. ended up with profit). That was wrong. Some users(with best example user marie_lemke ) even if he got his initial deposit refunded, he should end up with much higher profit if the skipped nonces were not in place.. So what we decided to do is simple: We credited all winning nonces that got skipped. That creates three types of users affected :
    a)    User had negative profit but he would end up with negative profit anyways. We refund the initial deposit anyways (favors user)   
    b)    User had negative profit but he would end up with positive profit if it wasnt for the skipped nonces. Initial deposit is already refunded and we are crediting all the positive skipped rolls as well.   
    c)    User had positive balance despite the malicious code. We are crediting all the winning skipped rolls as well.   
3       We abandoned forum / closed chat / locked our topic because we got so fed up with trolls and flaming.We allowed it to go under our skin, and that was our mistake. Communication is crucial, and absence of it is what they wanted and allows them to shrine. We wont do them the favor anymore! Effective immediately we are back on forum, back on twitter (will post a link to this topic so everyone can be aware of what happened) and unlocking our original topic. Chat also will be re-activated but we want first to think some way to limit spam there. One idea is to allow chat to active members (x amount of BTC wagered OR x amount invested OR x amount in balance). Please allow us a few days or best case tomorrow.


To sum it up:
-We made a major mistake and 2 smaller ones. We took everything we could to make it right for everyone and make sure they wont happen again.
-Rolls ARE provably fair. That was patched the same moment we became aware of It.
-All accounts that were affected by skipped nonces have been refunded, to their best interest. List of usernames among with voucher code (tied to their account) is posted here. The list is here publicly available and we have emailed all the users who were affected and had email in their profile.
-All refunds are made from our own stash, and not investors' or sites' money.
-All withdrawals / divests honoured. Never missed even one.

Bottom line, BankRoll was 7500BTC, which means we COULD HAVE STOLEN 3m$, but we didn't. Those BTCs missing are from investors who pulled out their own coins. Not only we never stole one btc, but we did return ~6k btc to date back to whoever requested it. Some people try very hard to take DB down, but we wont do them the favour!

I would like also to grab this opportunity again, and re-invite dooglus to co-sign the cold wallet with us. I think we proved ourselves that we didn’t run with 7500 coins when we could, but it would relax a lot of people if a co-sign was a possibility (especially now that it starts growing again and passed 1600 coins). Also, we have no problem if there is a way to take the roll server. For the story, we did discuss that in the past but we couldn’t find an efficient way to do it. That to answer to a lot of people who wondered ”why you didn’t take up dooglus offer?”. We never said no to dooglus. We just haven’t found a way to make it possible yet.


P.S Our sister site, DiceLiteco.in was not affected by this, since we didnt push any fix on that site for the last 2months+(we were waiting to finish with all the addons on the BitCoin version first, to pass it on the LTC site)


P.S.2 If possible please bitcoininformation and dooglus inform me about the signature campaign (who got paid, who is crossed out etc.) so I can finalize the payments at end of the month. Having said that, we are back and I do apologize for 10 days bsence.

P.S. 3 The reason we are making this post self-moderated, is simply to avoid troll posts like this one : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774828.msg8878492#msg8878492  . That doesn’t mean you can’t address your concerns here/mention our fuckup/ criticize us. Thats why we reopen our original topic as well. However since this is our official statement, we would like to keep it clear and on topic as much as possible.

I want to thank all users who send support tickets wishing us good luck and to hopes to stand again in our feet, even if they cannot express it on the forum, because they are afraid of ”negative trust” from alt accounts. Again thank you for your support. We will return stronger than ever!

Thank you all.

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The list with affected users and vouchers follows:



ID          USERNAME     TOTAL AFFECTED         ALREADY REFUNDED           WE OWE                 VOUCHER
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861       cuwirebeard          7.1556                     5.90107777                 1.25452223            DICE-OOMZ-RHAO-VVJM-NADM-VPID
4153    chris.jakubowski    0.17653184                       0                          0.17653184            DICE-WRER-RGQN-WBQK-SAKG-YVCY
4433    presto                 0.92611544                       0                           0.92611544            DICE-SGXP-HDOH-NQIJ-OBHR-BSNH
12599    RNG                   6.93989901                2.62806461                 4.3118344              DICE-IQPB-VQHY-KRQN-NJLW-LLRQ
13835    Altitude             0.51368555                       0                          0.51368555            DICE-YVKB-WGVS-LROH-QUHU-QKNT
16189    andyazz            1.49798912                       0                          1.49798912            DICE-KTAW-CVNY-QCTR-BSBT-POYV
16511   marcellus_hand   1.23665803                        0                          1.23665803            DICE-GLXJ-BGHY-DNHT-JPXB-UKCD
16657   kinki                   1.234375                          0                          1.234375               DICE-POMK-UXEH-EACC-IYDC-YHHK
18541   coty_predovic     27.64702008                     20                        7.64702008             DICE-IEZN-HFKV-OEUX-RTXE-WPBD
18544   Degenerate            0.4                                0                            0.4                    DICE-RVYD-WUQQ-NTPH-YIEJ-TJKH
19864   marie_lemke         55.18                            35.1                         20.08                  DICE-WFQT-YWBJ-JFSC-KLLM-LROU  + 6.2  DICE-NHLI-XYNK-YUYW-JXWK-GDFX
19914  lewis.aufderhar     1.781328                          0                           1.781328              DICE-CIFJ-FTUE-OSIP-MYIU-RPWD
20178  esperanza.ritchie  1.74797619                       0                        1.74797619             DICE-HHWZ-LVKF-ZVMM-HRLK-UJQD
10637  themikego           1.50665557                 2.85665558                       0  
18165  Focus                   7.5                          8.00258683                       0
6769    finnile                  1.47746763                     2                               0
16416  James                       7                       14.3792809                        0


Note vouchers are bind to account, meaning only the spesific userid/username can claim it!






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October 05, 2014, 06:43:22 PM
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Oh mate, so much has happened since that ^^^ that it isn't even applicable anymore.

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Oh mate, so much has happened since that ^^^ that it isn't even applicable anymore.

In short:

* someone found them skipping nonces again
* after he randomized, the skipped nonces appeared, as small winning bets, with the following losing bet made bigger so it would lose the extra amount won by the fake new small winning bet; in some cases it was made so that the bet won more than 0.5% of the bankroll
* he tried to withdraw, but the coins were sent to a different address than the one he asked for them

DB hasn't responded to any of this other than to say that the maximum profit was silently increased to 1% of the bankroll which is why the large bets were allowed, but that maximum profit is now down to 0.2% to reduce variance.

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October 06, 2014, 06:45:04 AM
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Oh mate, so much has happened since that ^^^ that it isn't even applicable anymore.

In short:

* someone found them skipping nonces again
* after he randomized, the skipped nonces appeared, as small winning bets, with the following losing bet made bigger so it would lose the extra amount won by the fake new small winning bet; in some cases it was made so that the bet won more than 0.5% of the bankroll
* he tried to withdraw, but the coins were sent to a different address than the one he asked for them

DB hasn't responded to any of this other than to say that the maximum profit was silently increased to 1% of the bankroll which is why the large bets were allowed, but that maximum profit is now down to 0.2% to reduce variance.

And changing max profit to 1% is a huge deal for investors and shouldn't be done silently.
But ofc its just one more excuse. So doesn't rly matter.

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Last edit: October 06, 2014, 03:05:27 PM by jaysabi
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The plot thickens:

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Hello all! Due to the latest developments regarding bitcoin and altcoin regulations in Russia (check here), we decided that the risk factor for us is exponentially growing. Therefore we decided, effective immediately, to suspend betting and investing and put the site in a "feeze" mode, where only divestments / withdrawals are allowed. We will make transfers from cold wallet large enough so all withdrawals to be prosessed ASAP. Please if you know anyone that plays / played / invested as well, inform him about that so he can take his coins. We will also email any account that has remaining balance on site and if still until the end of the week he doesn't withdraw, we will trigger the withdraw to his emergency address. In the case he doesn't have an emergency address either and site is sold, user shall contact us via email to support@dicebitco.in with his username and proof of deposit. Both sites (dicebitco.in and diceliteco.in) are officialy under SALE now. For any offers, please send an email to support@dicebitco.in!
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The Domain, that will be transfered to his registrar of his choice (we suggest namecheap, since we have the domains there, tranfer will be instant)
Whole site code
Twitter / facebook accounts
Email addresses
Forum account
Skype support account
What the buyer will NOT get:

Support from us. The site comes as-is. We will not further develop it nor provide techical support. If you don't know how to code or you don't have anyone who you trust to code, dont bid on it.
Account passwords. All user passwords on site are encrypted, there is no way around that (so no need to bid with the hope you will be able to hack into other casino sites)
We are sorry to have it ended this way. Thank you all!

Edit: This is the message that appears on the top of the DB website.

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October 06, 2014, 02:55:10 PM
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source? it's on the site (duh!)
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October 06, 2014, 03:04:41 PM
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Yeah, sorry. I should have put that up there. In my haste, I left it out.

If DB is worried about Russian regulations, that has to mean that he or the servers or both are located in Russia, right? I think the previous theory was Ukraine, but as a sovereign nation, Russian regulations shouldn't apply to them.

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October 06, 2014, 03:05:26 PM
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I think I'll wait for the emergency address withdrawal. Let's see if they return all my money, or if they claim that the site lost money with negative profits.

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October 06, 2014, 03:06:49 PM
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I think I'll wait for the emergency address withdrawal. Let's see if they return all my money, or if they claim that the site lost money with negative profits.

For what it's worth, and it's admittedly not much, I was able to withdraw with no problems. Of course, I hardly had anything in there, and also I've never had a problem withdrawing. But I was never btc rich enough to be a target either.

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October 06, 2014, 03:08:55 PM
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The plot thickens:

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Hello all! Due to the latest developments regarding bitcoin and altcoin regulations in Russia (check here), we decided that the risk factor for us is exponentially growing. Therefore we decided, effective immediately, to suspend betting and investing and put the site in a "feeze" mode, where only divestments / withdrawals are allowed. We will make transfers from cold wallet large enough so all withdrawals to be prosessed ASAP. Please if you know anyone that plays / played / invested as well, inform him about that so he can take his coins. We will also email any account that has remaining balance on site and if still until the end of the week he doesn't withdraw, we will trigger the withdraw to his emergency address. In the case he doesn't have an emergency address either and site is sold, user shall contact us via email to support@dicebitco.in with his username and proof of deposit. Both sites (dicebitco.in and diceliteco.in) are officialy under SALE now. For any offers, please send an email to support@dicebitco.in!
What the buyer will get:

The Domain, that will be transfered to his registrar of his choice (we suggest namecheap, since we have the domains there, tranfer will be instant)
Whole site code
Twitter / facebook accounts
Email addresses
Forum account
Skype support account
What the buyer will NOT get:

Support from us. The site comes as-is. We will not further develop it nor provide techical support. If you don't know how to code or you don't have anyone who you trust to code, dont bid on it.
Account passwords. All user passwords on site are encrypted, there is no way around that (so no need to bid with the hope you will be able to hack into other casino sites)
We are sorry to have it ended this way. Thank you all!

Edit: This is the message that appears on the top of the DB website.

Woow... I just hope people will get theirs money out.

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October 06, 2014, 03:12:32 PM
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The plot thickens:

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Hello all! Due to the latest developments regarding bitcoin and altcoin regulations in Russia (check here), we decided that the risk factor for us is exponentially growing. Therefore we decided, effective immediately, to suspend betting and investing and put the site in a "feeze" mode, where only divestments / withdrawals are allowed. We will make transfers from cold wallet large enough so all withdrawals to be prosessed ASAP. Please if you know anyone that plays / played / invested as well, inform him about that so he can take his coins. We will also email any account that has remaining balance on site and if still until the end of the week he doesn't withdraw, we will trigger the withdraw to his emergency address. In the case he doesn't have an emergency address either and site is sold, user shall contact us via email to support@dicebitco.in with his username and proof of deposit. Both sites (dicebitco.in and diceliteco.in) are officialy under SALE now. For any offers, please send an email to support@dicebitco.in!
What the buyer will get:

The Domain, that will be transfered to his registrar of his choice (we suggest namecheap, since we have the domains there, tranfer will be instant)
Whole site code
Twitter / facebook accounts
Email addresses
Forum account
Skype support account
What the buyer will NOT get:

Support from us. The site comes as-is. We will not further develop it nor provide techical support. If you don't know how to code or you don't have anyone who you trust to code, dont bid on it.
Account passwords. All user passwords on site are encrypted, there is no way around that (so no need to bid with the hope you will be able to hack into other casino sites)
We are sorry to have it ended this way. Thank you all!

Edit: This is the message that appears on the top of the DB website.

Woow... I just hope people will get theirs money out.

What would be the benefit of concocting a ruse at this point? If he was looking for an excuse to take the site down and disappear, regulation would certainly be it. But why not just disappear then? If you weren't going to pay out, I would think there's little benefit in putting up a message about how you're going to pay out and the procedures you were going to follow to pay out, only to then not pay out.

In a weird sort of way, this is about as much credibility as Manl has ever had. Only he can screw it up at this point!

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October 06, 2014, 03:15:27 PM
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Yeah, sorry. I should have put that up there. In my haste, I left it out.

If DB is worried about Russian regulations, that has to mean that he or the servers or both are located in Russia, right? I think the previous theory was Ukraine, but as a sovereign nation, Russian regulations shouldn't apply to them.

Based on how much they lied to us they might be located in Madagascar for all we know and just using this as an excuse to disappear without resolving outstanding issues with AK and others.

Remember how arrogant they were claiming that nobody will be able to locate them, so now they are concerned about Russian authorities. Yeah right  Roll Eyes
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October 06, 2014, 03:33:43 PM
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I think people should look at the whole "but they're paying people back" way of thinking like this: if you're going to screw people over, this is a way to do it and also look like you actually did pay people back. Since most players are small timers and perhaps make up 80-90% of their player base but only account for what, 10-20% of what was actually invested into the site, you pay those people back while taking from the heavy hitters. Since 80-90% of the people were paid back and post they were, DB looks like the good guy while still being able to stiff the 10-20% that actually carried huge balances which made up most of the DB's balances.  It's simple, you let the majority get paid back while you keep the majority of the funds.  It's probably really easy to chart out something which shows how many small time users they have and how much they actually make up insofar as the entire DB bankroll, etc... I bet it's not much. Just my 2 cents
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October 06, 2014, 04:06:40 PM
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Holy shit - Not only AK is a gambling nut he is a fucking man when on the hunt.

I think the 160+ coins might have served as a fairly substantial motivation Wink

I love the litegox domain, wonder if it's for sale  Grin
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October 06, 2014, 04:12:53 PM
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Wow, Joe, idk how smart it was to put all that publicly ...

I hope u won't have any problems coz of that .
Good luck man.

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October 06, 2014, 04:34:54 PM
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It's not good posting Manl wife and dad facebook profile too.
I think remove that and other thing good till it's affect only Manl not his family.
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October 06, 2014, 04:39:15 PM
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Joe, maybe (probably) I've missed it but how do you connect Manl to oneirobatis?
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October 06, 2014, 04:48:13 PM
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