Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile

[247crypto]

http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925
US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft

KUALA LUMPUR: INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had had something to do with it.

 This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.

[picolo]

http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925
US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft

KUALA LUMPUR: INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had had something to do with it.

 This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.

It would be news only for those who belive US politicians lies and didn't know the nazi undemocratic ukrain government that kill its people shot down the plane; the US want Russia and Europe not to be allies because they would be afraid of losing power

[247crypto]

That is news from Malaysia.

[Nemo1024]

Even if it gets published in the Western MSM, the image of "Putin's missile" is already too deeply entranced in the mind of an average Joe watching the zombobox (TV). The damage is already done, the truth can now be printed in small print on page 68...

[wasserman99]

I would really not consider the OP's source to be credible. This is also not being reported by the MSM which it almost certainly would if they received even a semi-credible tip to this effect.

There is also a lot of other evidence that points to the Russian separatists.  being responsible for the downing of the plaine. 

[Balthazar]

There is also a lot of other evidence that points to the Russian separatists.  being responsible for the downing of the plaine.  

Oh c'mon... There is no evidence, except for some "photos" which were made in paint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CahOF3asOlQ#t=734

[Nemo1024]

Sources for the air-to-air shootdown analysis:
https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/new-mh17-sensation-german-experts-point-finger-at-ukrainian-air-force-jets/
http://www.globalresearch.ca/german-pilot-speaks-out-shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/5394111

In German:
http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/schockierende-analyse-zum-abschuss-der-malaysian-mh-017/
http://www.presseportal.de/pm/59019/2791311/neues-deutschland-nva-raketenspezialist-mh17-nicht-von-boden-luft-rakete-abgeschossen

Interview with the OSCE observer, conducted by CBCNews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiXjXmZ3NYg

Article:
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/03/flight-17-shoot-down-scenario-shifts/

[imBLACKjack]

There is also a lot of other evidence that points to the Russian separatists.  being responsible for the downing of the plaine.  

Oh c'mon... There is no evidence, except for some "photos" which were made in paint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CahOF3asOlQ#t=734

What about the fact that the rebels in the Ukraine were claiming to have shot down a military crash in the same location at the same time MH 17 was shot down?

[GangkisKhan]

That is news from Malaysia.

Which should make everyone question the accuracy of the information.

[247crypto]

What about the fact that the rebels in the Ukraine were claiming to have shot down a military crash in the same location at the same time MH 17 was shot down?

With what?

[tinof]

http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925
US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft

KUALA LUMPUR: INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had had something to do with it.

 This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.

This should not be hard to check. How many weapon supplier is in the region?

[iopq]

What about the fact that the rebels in the Ukraine were claiming to have shot down a military crash in the same location at the same time MH 17 was shot down?

With what?

Russian anti-air weapons

http://web.archive.org/web/20140717152222/http://vk.com/strelkov_info

"B paйoнe Topeзa тoлькo чтo cбили caмoлeт Aн-26, вaляeтcя гдe-тo зa шaxтoй "Пpoгpecc".
Пpeдyпpeждaли жe - нe лeтaть в "нaшeм нeбe".
A вoт и видeo-пoдтвepждeниe oчepeднoгo "птичкoпaдa".
Птичкa yпaлa зa тeppикoн, жилoй ceктop нe зaцeпилa. Mиpныe люди нe пocтpaдaли.

A тaкжe eщe ecть инфopмaция o втopoм cбитoм caмoлeтe, вpoдe бы Cy."

they thought they shot down this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_An-26

So it's really not any kind of conspiracy, it's just complete retardation, and I'll put my money on people being stupid every time

[Mobius]

http://www.nst.com.my/node/20925
US analysts conclude MH17 downed by aircraft

KUALA LUMPUR: INTELLIGENCE analysts in the United States had already concluded that Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down by an air-to-air missile, and that the Ukrainian government had had something to do with it.

 This corroborates an emerging theory postulated by local investigators that the Boeing 777-200 was crippled by an air-to-air missile and finished off with cannon fire from a fighter that had been shadowing it as it plummeted to earth.

The evidence really does not support this. It is very much accepted that it was shot down with a SAM. Even Russia acknowledges this.

[bryant.coleman]

I have long suspected this. Also, the media has suddenly gone silent over the MH17 incident. Earlier also, there were indications such as these:

1. No missile plumes
2. Bullet holes on the wreckage
3. US not releasing the satellite data.

[needbmw]

Russian anti-air weapons

http://web.archive.org/web/20140717152222/http://vk.com/strelkov_info

Strelkov (Girkin) mentioned he does not have accounts in social networks. This account is an obvious fake.

[247crypto]

The evidence really does not support this. It is very much accepted that it was shot down with a SAM. Even Russia acknowledges this.

Who acknowledge it? Sofa expert with no data?

[247crypto]

Russian anti-air weapons

Check about old PZRK "Igla" - Max altitude is about 3000 meter.

That VK public account is ruled by activist, and he put there any thing, that he found on youtube or on forums.
If someone see a burning aircraft over civil war zone, that think about "successful anti-aircraft operation". But for real responsibility wee need proofs.

Dnepropetrovsk flight control crew is kidnapped, foreign experts are not more on place of impact. That is all about that - case is resolved.

[Nemo1024]

That is news from Malaysia.

Which should make everyone question the accuracy of the information.

That site is questioning the official Malaysian line. It seems that the Malaysian government has been bought off.

Hishammuddin pushes the US line:
http://www.nst.com.my/node/21682

"Based on military intelligence and evidence from a portion of fragments found, it is not likely the bullets were used from air to air but from surface to air. "Whether these were owned by Ukraine or the rebels who supplied by Russia. the bullets must have come from BUK System and this matter cannot be denied by Europe, Nato or Russia," he told reporters after officiating the Bera Umno's Wanita, Youth and Puteri wing division meeting here today.

The BUK missile is pretty large - the size of a small airplane. Where are remains of it, remains of its engine? Where are the debris from the missile?

And in this article:
Malaysia wants the ‘missing’ Ukrainian ATC tapes
http://www.nst.com.my/node/21260

You can see another interesting "official" statement:

Humennyi said that if a formal request was made by Malaysia or the international investigation team, Ukraine would extend its cooperation. At one point, Humennyi seemed to question the significance of the ATC tapes, saying that “it is just the same as the flight data and cockpit voice recorders”.

Which is not the case at all.

[Mobius]

The evidence really does not support this. It is very much accepted that it was shot down with a SAM. Even Russia acknowledges this.

Who acknowledge it? Sofa expert with no data?

Russia acknowledge that the plane was shot down with a surface to air missile. They claim that it was the Ukraine that had shot it down and not the Russians (who want the Ukraine to be part of Russia).

[iopq]

Russian anti-air weapons

http://web.archive.org/web/20140717152222/http://vk.com/strelkov_info

Strelkov (Girkin) mentioned he does not have accounts in social networks. This account is an obvious fake.

It's not his own account, but that account DOES post statements made by him. That's why it's in quotes. It's also within 20 minutes of the plane actually being downed if you look at the time. It's not some random guy in the US making this up, this is someone definitely in the area.