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August 16, 2014, 10:32:53 AM
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My interest in the internet is nothing more than testing my abilities as a penetration tester, with little or no knowledge of the victim. If you think you have thought of everything, I will create that which you never thought of.. just to prove it can be done.

I read how bitcoin is unstoppable.. wrong.

Everything required to intercept bitcoin payments is in place today, and almost worldwide. You can laugh now, but by the time this short post is finished you will realise the truth.. that bitcoin WILL fail, and not of it's own accord, but due to the fact that it is indeed a threat to any and all established currencies of the world, and hence a threat to those countries security.

Why better testers cant see this is beyond me.

First, create laws requiring interception of all traffic at the ISP level.

Second, lets give it a fictional name, like 'No Shitty Attacks' or NSA for short.

Place 'NSA Killbox' between ISP and the world. Switch to record mode.

This means A box between YOUR isp, and the rest of the world. Nothing you can do about this.

Linux users probably think they are cool and can bypass this.. no they cant. They think they can use TOR or some other ip spoofing method.. THIS is an illusion. Yeah it hides your ip from other end users, but YOUR isp has YOUR ip, period. Notice we are all given static ip's now? These are postcoded. Geo tagging is applied to ALL packets leaving YOUR pc at the ISP level, they can now decide where to send ALL packets using strict filtering rules.

When it's decided bitcoin is a threat to the security of any MAJOR country, they can force the isp to re-route p2p traffic to a dns dead end. At this point they can be clear and say, you want passed here, your paying for it.. This is how to tax bitcoin.

Or I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect..

To all dodjy faucet owners.. lets see what your worth now that this is in print, it was implemented 4 years ago here where I live.. notice your new security? Made in Scotland.. go on, ask Richard.. B
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August 16, 2014, 10:34:29 AM
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Are you high?
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August 16, 2014, 10:38:30 AM
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No, just noticing a distinct difference in bitcoin norms.. and how it is possible that these norms are in fact created by those box's..

Edit: Why does everyone think I'm stoned?

I just got so fed up of scammers lately that I thought I'd hit them in their pockets.. where it hurts..
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August 16, 2014, 10:44:41 AM
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/06/north-korea-clandestine-tv-aerials-banned-programmes


Point is.... it will be a never ending fight. Do not under-estimate the power of suppressed people, this just gives them MORE determination to create or modify or design a totally new route to get what they want

At the moment it is not needed, but give them a need and watch what happens Wink

Btw - Who said BTcoin was unstoppable?  Just kill Electricity on earth , there you have it, no virtual Crypto-currencies  Grin
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August 16, 2014, 10:45:42 AM
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There will ALWAYS be a work-around.
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August 16, 2014, 10:47:47 AM
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Your theory is purely fictional and quite unrealistic.

Here's a few theories of my own:
1. Dinosaurs rise again and attack humans
2. Aliens invade
3. Trillions of invisible nano bots suck the electricity out of everything in the world sending us back into the stone age
4. World blows up

Though what your saying can be fathomed as possible it's also implying that every free country on this planet is willing to convert to a communism with their repeated "We're doing it for your own good!" bullshit.

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August 16, 2014, 10:49:42 AM
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EMP is more realistic : D
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August 16, 2014, 10:55:53 AM
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This means A box between YOUR isp, and the rest of the world. Nothing you can do about this.
Just run your bitcoin client in an Amazon cloud instance in any one of their global data centers of your choice.
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August 16, 2014, 10:56:38 AM
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Edit: Why does everyone think I'm stoned?

I just got so fed up of scammers lately that I thought I'd hit them in their pockets.. where it hurts..

Because the requirements for your plan - specifically those laws require us to return to a draconian state whereby the government in power is the ultimate power. If enough oppressed people do something, things can change quite rapidly. We've moved away from limiting systems (ie dictatorships) through uprisings and coups. It would be unlikely indeed that people would be more than willing to have their freedoms impinged upon for no other reason than that the government wants to tax you.
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August 16, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
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Regardless of whatever connection you make to the cloud, you still have to go through an ISP, get it?

You think the people who give us this computer hardware have'nt checked all possible combinations of key press's before even linux came out?

Wow..

And with the boxes in place, the laws are no longer required.. because governments are above their own laws.
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August 16, 2014, 11:05:54 AM
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August 16, 2014, 11:07:55 AM
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Let me guess you are the panic seller who really frustrated with bitcoin price now is falling down?  Undecided

No, I have never parted with ANY bitcoin, and I instructed my kids to do same.. collect, and do nothing.

So I have never lost anything I have gained, to moan about.. Wink
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August 16, 2014, 11:08:09 AM
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You, sir, are high on crack.

Linux users probably think they are cool and can bypass this.. no they cant. They think they can use TOR or some other ip spoofing method.. THIS is an illusion. Yeah it hides your ip from other end users, but YOUR isp has YOUR ip, period.
MY IP, yes. Not the IP of the actual server or person I'm communicating with. Just some random TOR node.

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Notice we are all given static ip's now? These are postcoded. Geo tagging is applied to ALL packets leaving YOUR pc at the ISP level, they can now decide where to send ALL packets using strict filtering rules.
Geo tagging is applied to all packets? Really? Smiley
Even if that were true (which isn't the case) they are tagging outer dummy packets. Not the actual packets which are encrypted and embedded in the TOR traffic.

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Or I could just look at the block chain for address's, write any address found there into my fresh wallet, and take all, using that dns redirect..
Do you realize that in order to receive bitcoins on addresses, or send from those addresses, you don't need to have or manage those addresses (or their private keys) at your own PC and IP at all?


Sorry pal, you seem to have an utter lack of understanding even the basic principles of TCP/IP, TOR, and Bitcoin.

In theory, there's no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.
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August 16, 2014, 11:08:29 AM
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Regardless of whatever connection you make to the cloud, you still have to go through an ISP, get it?
Maybe. Some people have their own ASNs and don't need a stinking ISP.
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August 16, 2014, 11:13:26 AM
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Lets just see how long it is before you all get the point..

As I said previously.. I write, and people act..

If I see a weakness and print it, it will be latched onto and blocked.. within around 48 hours.. but then you'd have to have read some of my online work to know what I'm actually about huh?
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August 16, 2014, 11:15:05 AM
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Regardless of whatever connection you make to the cloud, you still have to go through an ISP, get it?
Maybe. Some people have their own ASNs and don't need a stinking ISP.

Your statement here reminds me of the flaw in the 150mb connection.. what good is that if the other end is only on a 56k modem?

Just as THEY use an ISP.. you may not..
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August 16, 2014, 11:17:07 AM
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I know of two websites that act on what I say, they create applications because they know how to interpret (correctly) what I am saying.. you can wait here..

Meanwhile, regarding this 'Cloud' - it does not exist. Everything is stored on hardware somewhere, get over it..
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August 16, 2014, 11:20:00 AM
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August 16, 2014, 11:25:52 AM
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Regardless of whatever connection you make to the cloud, you still have to go through an ISP, get it?
Maybe. Some people have their own ASNs and don't need a stinking ISP.

Your statement here reminds me of the flaw in the 150mb connection.. what good is that if the other end is only on a 56k modem?

Just as THEY use an ISP.. you may not..
In any case, all this packet blocking discussions is moot until Bitcoin becomes globally outlawed like child porn. Speaking of which there are still underground child porn businesses and communities using encrypted internet communications and they can't be completely stamped out.

If governments get to this point we'd have more serious problems to deal with.
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August 16, 2014, 11:29:14 AM
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Everything required to intercept bitcoin payments is in place today, and almost worldwide. You can laugh now, but by the time this short post is finished you will realise the truth.. that bitcoin WILL fail, and not of it's own accord, but due to the fact that it is indeed a threat to any and all established currencies of the world, and hence a threat to those countries security.

tomorrow, i can burn my bank with a 15 euros vodka bootle and a zippo ... can i do this ?
no.

now, eurozone can freeze and tax 10% of the whole saving (4000 Milliards of Euros).
can states do this ?
yes.
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