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January 03, 2015, 08:20:04 PM
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Community,

I suggest we tip exclusively with shadowsend.

So those who wanna play with Shadow should create a new stealth address in their SDC wallets (v1.3.0.6, see OP) and submit those addys instead of SDC addys. Since dadon was kind enough to send me 100sdc earlier I will send these to my own stealth/shadow addy now (thus creating shadow tokens), and send Shadow to those who submit a stealth addy.

SO a Shadow>Shadow zero knowledge transaction…

Witness the power of the Shadow!



Here is my addy : smYoV2a7LHN4srLJdHJakmQysdgZzyHb6S5CAHR2t1fUAHo5kKs9x7BKZGurQU2K7Zhj6rMwuCRdGj5 sSJLDkCY3uL6wQ1tU1UeS5e  Wink

Done - a zero knowledge transaction…
http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/tx/30bc188cc73f543148bc4f691cdb2a19f707b5ddd19b472d776b74dd26d17c9c

Welcome to Shadow

Who else wants some? Post a Shadow/Stealth addy to see the power of Shadow for yourself…

bump.
go to "receive" in ur wallet
click create new address
tick the stealth box
post the addy here
ill post the tx's.
you get some Shadow.

nobody but you will know how much…
and nobody at all will ever know from whom you received it, even you.

p.s. it's not me who will send you the shadow coins…  Cool




Here's my addy : smYiXcwqThRBuphkTsHHCGes3xvNPdmQWXqzPm9cQWiPgvVwUWecZzGvTeXxmmW7EtpFHbS6CpiFRve PoSuCnvtgpdeFeQmoNJRVCn  Grin

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Seems block explorer is down: http://explorer.shadow.cash/

I am getting this error: 

Error!

Can't connect to ShadowCoind to get live updates from the p2p network. (Tried connecting to ShadowCoind at 127.0.0.1:51737 and failed.)

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January 03, 2015, 08:39:30 PM
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Community,

I suggest we tip exclusively with shadowsend.

So those who wanna play with Shadow should create a new stealth address in their SDC wallets (v1.3.0.6, see OP) and submit those addys instead of SDC addys. Since dadon was kind enough to send me 100sdc earlier I will send these to my own stealth/shadow addy now (thus creating shadow tokens), and send Shadow to those who submit a stealth addy.

SO a Shadow>Shadow zero knowledge transaction…

Witness the power of the Shadow!



Here is my addy : smYoV2a7LHN4srLJdHJakmQysdgZzyHb6S5CAHR2t1fUAHo5kKs9x7BKZGurQU2K7Zhj6rMwuCRdGj5 sSJLDkCY3uL6wQ1tU1UeS5e  Wink

Done - a zero knowledge transaction…
http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/tx/30bc188cc73f543148bc4f691cdb2a19f707b5ddd19b472d776b74dd26d17c9c

Welcome to Shadow

Who else wants some? Post a Shadow/Stealth addy to see the power of Shadow for yourself…

bump.
go to "receive" in ur wallet
click create new address
tick the stealth box
post the addy here
ill post the tx's.
you get some Shadow.

nobody but you will know how much…
and nobody at all will ever know from whom you received it, even you.

p.s. it's not me who will send you the shadow coins…  Cool




Here's my addy : smYiXcwqThRBuphkTsHHCGes3xvNPdmQWXqzPm9cQWiPgvVwUWecZzGvTeXxmmW7EtpFHbS6CpiFRve PoSuCnvtgpdeFeQmoNJRVCn  Grin

Presto! An anonymous zero knowledge transaction… http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/tx/d1328f79598937b5a1b0828ab558063e06fea7c513be1d8aaa46c95274a19830

pressed suggested ring size before sending. sent with ringsize of 14. small tx fee paid Wink

WHo else wants some?

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Presto! An anonymous zero knowledge transaction… http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/tx/d1328f79598937b5a1b0828ab558063e06fea7c513be1d8aaa46c95274a19830

pressed suggested ring size before sending. sent with ringsize of 14. small tx fee paid Wink

WHo else wants some?

Thanks, just got some shadow  Cool

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January 03, 2015, 09:34:10 PM
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Anyone know how to install the wallet on linux ubuntu?  I tried following the directions.  I get stuck at the -make / -qmake part.  Tried installing qt-creator also, and I am lost.  Anyone have advice?

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January 03, 2015, 10:22:40 PM
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So there is no solution to my problem of rings ?

Well maybe if you send me 4 or more shadows I will be able to have 10 and be able to convert them to SDC.


Indeed there is TheMightyKnight. As I mentioned before it is a matter of inputs/outputs. The long and short of it is we need more shadow in the system to permit fast Shadow>SDC conversions. To that end I plan to gradually convert up to 50% of my SDC holdings to Shadow. Maybe more. That is, after all, why I'm here (for the anon).

Please find below a convo from IRC involving a core team member, dasource.

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8:44 PM <_4M8B_> @dasource
8:44 PM <_4M8B_> Not enough system and or owned outputs for the requested amount.
8:44 PM <_4M8B_> Only 0 anonymous outputs exist for coin value:
8:44 PM <_4M8B_> Can we create inputs ??
8:44 PM <_4M8B_> outputs
8:52 PM <•dasource> _4M8B_: inputs are created as SDC is converted to Shadow
8:53 PM <_4M8B_> What's the problem with setting them back to sdc
8:53 PM <•dasource> the more the system is used the more outputs available when going Shadow to SDC
8:53 PM <_4M8B_> only succeed once for me
8:53 PM <_4M8B_> ah ok
8:53 PM ⇐ Teezy quit (~ident@91-157-187-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi) Ping timeout: 250 seconds
8:54 PM <_4M8B_> so I'll have the available ones to convert back 2 sdc or just keep the coin in tokens till desired outputs exist
8:54 PM → Teezy joined (~ident@91-157-187-191.elisa-laajakaista.fi)
8:54 PM <•dasource> yeah
8:54 PM <•dasource> ideal world they would be available at all times
8:54 PM <•dasource> but as its a new platform
8:54 PM <_4M8B_> I've made 5000 sdc-shadow, so now i've made an output off 5000 for the system
8:54 PM <_4M8B_> and other users
8:54 PM <•dasource> it may take some more weeks/months
8:54 PM <•dasource> before its readily available
8:55 PM <_4M8B_> yeah cool no problem
8:55 PM ⇐ •pistdov quit (a6890a17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.166.137.10.23) Ping timeout: 246 seconds
8:55 PM <•dasource> Smiley

n.b. I see u've been in IRC to address this matter pre my reply. Rest assured TheMightyKnight you will be able to redeem ur Shadow for SDC. The network is just getting started…

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January 03, 2015, 10:24:27 PM
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Community,

I suggest we tip exclusively with shadowsend.

So those who wanna play with Shadow should create a new stealth address in their SDC wallets (v1.3.0.6, see OP) and submit those addys instead of SDC addys. Since dadon was kind enough to send me 100sdc earlier I will send these to my own stealth/shadow addy now (thus creating shadow tokens), and send Shadow to those who submit a stealth addy.

SO a Shadow>Shadow zero knowledge transaction…

Witness the power of the Shadow!



Here is my addy : smYoV2a7LHN4srLJdHJakmQysdgZzyHb6S5CAHR2t1fUAHo5kKs9x7BKZGurQU2K7Zhj6rMwuCRdGj5 sSJLDkCY3uL6wQ1tU1UeS5e  Wink

Done - a zero knowledge transaction…
http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/tx/30bc188cc73f543148bc4f691cdb2a19f707b5ddd19b472d776b74dd26d17c9c

Welcome to Shadow

Who else wants some? Post a Shadow/Stealth addy to see the power of Shadow for yourself…

bump.
go to "receive" in ur wallet
click create new address
tick the stealth box
post the addy here
ill post the tx's.
you get some Shadow.

nobody but you will know how much…
and nobody at all will ever know from whom you received it, even you.

p.s. it's not me who will send you the shadow coins…  Cool




Here's my addy : smYiXcwqThRBuphkTsHHCGes3xvNPdmQWXqzPm9cQWiPgvVwUWecZzGvTeXxmmW7EtpFHbS6CpiFRve PoSuCnvtgpdeFeQmoNJRVCn  Grin

Presto! An anonymous zero knowledge transaction… http://shadow.blockexplorer.cc/tx/d1328f79598937b5a1b0828ab558063e06fea7c513be1d8aaa46c95274a19830

pressed suggested ring size before sending. sent with ringsize of 14. small tx fee paid Wink

WHo else wants some?

BUMP

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January 03, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
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To the Shadow Community,

To better our anon + to better our network we should all begin converting some SDC to Shadow. To do so create a new address in your wallet (ticking stealth). Send SDC to your own stealth (Shadow) address. To do so select the "SDC to Shadow" send option. You will see your wallet display your new Shadow balance next to your SDC balance.

Here is a Chinese infographic from 3000 years ago which pertains to the optimal balance between SDC and Shadow (either that or it's all black)



Live Long Anon


p.s. it will be most eyebrow raising as our "available supply" drops when SDC turns Shadow…

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To the Shadow Community,

To better our anon + to better our network we should all begin converting some SDC to Shadow. To do so create a new address in your wallet (ticking stealth). Send SDC to your own stealth (Shadow) address. To do so select the "SDC to Shadow" send option. You will see your wallet display your new Shadow balance next to your SDC balance.

Live Long Anon


+1 | So far I have about 15% in Shadow (but when this new wave of crazy cheap SDC's arrive to my wallet, it's gonna be even more :)


I think I have enough already...

You, Sir, are really crazy when risking those amounts on Exchanges.. get 'em while you can! (I personally use Bittrex as well, haven't had any problem yet, but better safe than sorry..)

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January 03, 2015, 11:41:03 PM
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Great, thx ! Smiley

Im looking at the Chain Data section of my wallet…
It shows granular detail of available I/O i think…
A dev team member could please help explain this…

TheMightyKnight - try converting Shadow to SDC based on what you interpret as "available" in the Chain Data section… savvy?

could u pls try converting 4 shadow (of ur 6) to SDC NOW to test my theory, thx

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Great, thx ! Smiley

Im looking at the Chain Data section of my wallet…
It shows granular detail of available I/O i think…
A dev team member could please help explain this…

TheMightyKnight - try converting Shadow to SDC based on what you interpret as "available" in the Chain Data section… savvy?

could u pls try converting 4 shadow (of ur 6) to SDC NOW to test my theory, thx

Ok, I try now.

EDIT: IT WORKED ! Your theory is thus proven.

\o/

Excellent. Lets destroy some SDC to create more Shadow!

(i.e. do what i recommended above and start sending SDC > Shadow for the betterment of our netowrk and our ANON)

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Great, thx ! Smiley

Im looking at the Chain Data section of my wallet…
It shows granular detail of available I/O i think…
A dev team member could please help explain this…

TheMightyKnight - try converting Shadow to SDC based on what you interpret as "available" in the Chain Data section… savvy?

could u pls try converting 4 shadow (of ur 6) to SDC NOW to test my theory, thx

Ok, I try now.

EDIT: IT WORKED ! Your theory is thus proven.

\o/

Excellent. Lets destroy some SDC to create more Shadow!

(i.e. do what i recommended above and start sending SDC > Shadow for the betterment of our netowrk and our ANON)

Now, I have 2 Sahdows left, but I can't convert those, weird Huh

Study the chain data section of ur wallet as mentioned. at this early stage of our anon network i see the chain data offering many 1's and 3's but no 2's.

I suspect if u send urself  2x 1sdc to Shadow tx's it will work Wink pls confirm… thx
(thus u will have redeemed 6 Shadow to SDC with 4+1+1 Shadow to SDC sends.)

live long anon

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Great, thx ! Smiley

Im looking at the Chain Data section of my wallet…
It shows granular detail of available I/O i think…
A dev team member could please help explain this…

TheMightyKnight - try converting Shadow to SDC based on what you interpret as "available" in the Chain Data section… savvy?

could u pls try converting 4 shadow (of ur 6) to SDC NOW to test my theory, thx

Ok, I try now.

EDIT: IT WORKED ! Your theory is thus proven.

\o/

Excellent. Lets destroy some SDC to create more Shadow!

(i.e. do what i recommended above and start sending SDC > Shadow for the betterment of our netowrk and our ANON)

Now, I have 2 Sahdows left, but I can't convert those, weird Huh

Study the chain data section of ur wallet as mentioned. at this early stage of our anon network i see the chain data offering many 1's and 3's but no 2's.

I suspect if u send urself  2x 1sdc to Shadow tx's it will work Wink pls confirm… thx
(thus u will have redeemed 6 Shadow to SDC with 4+1+1 Shadow to SDC sends.)

live long anon


Now what does the ratio of SDC / Shadow do to a POS coin in terms of network weight and staking ? If we convert all coins to shadow will the network die ? Just wondering...

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Great, thx ! Smiley

Im looking at the Chain Data section of my wallet…
It shows granular detail of available I/O i think…
A dev team member could please help explain this…

TheMightyKnight - try converting Shadow to SDC based on what you interpret as "available" in the Chain Data section… savvy?

could u pls try converting 4 shadow (of ur 6) to SDC NOW to test my theory, thx

Ok, I try now.

EDIT: IT WORKED ! Your theory is thus proven.

\o/

Excellent. Lets destroy some SDC to create more Shadow!

(i.e. do what i recommended above and start sending SDC > Shadow for the betterment of our netowrk and our ANON)

Now, I have 2 Sahdows left, but I can't convert those, weird Huh

Study the chain data section of ur wallet as mentioned. at this early stage of our anon network i see the chain data offering many 1's and 3's but no 2's.

I suspect if u send urself  2x 1sdc to Shadow tx's it will work Wink pls confirm… thx
(thus u will have redeemed 6 Shadow to SDC with 4+1+1 Shadow to SDC sends.)

live long anon

According to the white paper 2s are never supposed to exist and the wallet should break up any 2 shadow spend into 2x 1. If it doesn't, there is a bug or not-yet-implemented feature, or the WP isn't accurate
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Great, thx ! Smiley

Im looking at the Chain Data section of my wallet…
It shows granular detail of available I/O i think…
A dev team member could please help explain this…

TheMightyKnight - try converting Shadow to SDC based on what you interpret as "available" in the Chain Data section… savvy?

could u pls try converting 4 shadow (of ur 6) to SDC NOW to test my theory, thx

Ok, I try now.

EDIT: IT WORKED ! Your theory is thus proven.

\o/

Excellent. Lets destroy some SDC to create more Shadow!

(i.e. do what i recommended above and start sending SDC > Shadow for the betterment of our netowrk and our ANON)

Now, I have 2 Sahdows left, but I can't convert those, weird Huh

Study the chain data section of ur wallet as mentioned. at this early stage of our anon network i see the chain data offering many 1's and 3's but no 2's.

I suspect if u send urself  2x 1sdc to Shadow tx's it will work Wink pls confirm… thx
(thus u will have redeemed 6 Shadow to SDC with 4+1+1 Shadow to SDC sends.)

live long anon

According to the white paper 2s are never supposed to exist and the wallet should break up any 2 shadow spend into 2x 1. If it doesn't, there is a bug or not-yet-implemented feature, or the WP isn't accurate

Well the Chain Data section of the SDC wallet shows zero 2's. So there you go.
BTW Where in the WP is this mentioned?

(and he received those 2x shadow>sdc tx's Smiley )

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To the Shadow Community,

To better our anon + to better our network we should all begin converting some SDC to Shadow. To do so create a new address in your wallet (ticking stealth). Send SDC to your own stealth (Shadow) address. To do so select the "SDC to Shadow" send option. You will see your wallet display your new Shadow balance next to your SDC balance.

Here is a Chinese infographic from 3000 years ago which pertains to the optimal balance between SDC and Shadow (either that or it's all black)



Live Long Anon


p.s. it will be most eyebrow raising as our "available supply" drops when SDC turns Shadow…

We can have a group effort to determine the right increments of Shadow to put on the network to maximize the chances of transactions going through. I.e you leave 1111.11111111 there, I leave 2222.22222222 someone else leaves 3333.33333333. I don't know if those would be good amounts, just guessing.

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BTW Where in the WP is this mentioned?

Section 3.3.3
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@Smooth,  have you fully digested the WP yet?   Being a programmer I'm curious about your thoughts,  Both on the Technology (which you seem comfortable discussing) along with the Form,Fit and Function of the Shadow platform has a whole.   I appreciate you taking the time to be here so much, I suspect you have some interest in this project beyond the FUD watching.  (though it is entertaining... occasionally..)   So I am curious if your thoughts in general.    

I personally feel its very healthy to have these discussions often, especially very early on into a project/space which I feel we are.   

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@Smooth,  have you fully digested the WP yet?   Being a programmer I'm curious about your thoughts,  Both on the Technology (which you seem comfortable discussing) along with the Form,Fit and Function of the Shadow platform has a whole.   I appreciate you taking the time to be here so much, I suspect you have some interest in this project beyond the FUD watching.  (though it is entertaining... occasionally..)   So I am curious if your thoughts in general.    

I gave my opinion on the technology earlier (which tends to quickly devolve into mud slinging -- but I will entirely ignore that this time if it happens again). It is a straightforward reimplementation of the cryptonote design for anonymity based on ring signatures and stealth addresses, with some tweaks, and meant to coexist on a chain with a bitcoin-style non-anonymous coin (with functions to convert between them). This is a good system for anonymity, though perhaps a bit hampered in terms of anonymity by being on a shared chain (if conversion is used a lot, rather than transacting in Shadow itself)

I can't comment on Form, Fit, and Function because I haven't tried the software, just read the white paper. I also can't comment on the quality of the code implementation, since I haven't reviewed it.


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@Smooth,  have you fully digested the WP yet?   Being a programmer I'm curious about your thoughts,  Both on the Technology (which you seem comfortable discussing) along with the Form,Fit and Function of the Shadow platform has a whole.   I appreciate you taking the time to be here so much, I suspect you have some interest in this project beyond the FUD watching.  (though it is entertaining... occasionally..)   So I am curious if your thoughts in general.    

I gave my opinion on the technology earlier (which tends to quickly devolve into mud slinging -- but I will entirely ignore that this time if it happens again). It is a straightforward reimplementation of the cryptonote design for anonymity based on ring signatures and stealth addresses, with some tweaks, and meant to coexist on a chain with a bitcoin-style non-anonymous coin (with functions to convert between them). This is a good system for anonymity, though perhaps a bit hampered in terms of anonymity by being on a shared chain (if conversion is used a lot, rather than transacting in Shadow itself)

I can't comment on Form, Fit, and Function because I haven't tried the software, just read the white paper. I also can't comment on the quality of the code implementation, since I haven't reviewed it.




I appreciate that,  I would love to send you some SDC/Shadow if you wanted to get the wallet.   I think what causes so many people here to get frustrated and start flame wars on here is the whole package of Shadow as a platform being divorced from the technicalities of the code.  On the face of it I personally believe the wallet looks very nice. (maybe the best I have ever used?)  and it seems to function nearly flawlessly to me, though I have not  engaged in heavy sdc to shadow and back activity.   I believe the ease of use combined with the ring signatures/stealth and dual function is why so many people believe "this is the hot ticket"  or finally the ANON killer APP,  so to speak.  Which is why they criticize you so much.   I am not a programmer, however I've been involved with crypto for a long time now and it would appear to me that Shadow is the premiere "all around" anon platform currently running.  And perhaps running with a big lead on most other projects when the whole platform is taken into consideration.   However I do not have your skills to help evaluate the technicals for myself which is why I seek your expertise to help me validate my impression (if correct).   

I understand if you have loyalties to another project or team and may not be at liberty to make strongly favorable claims about another project.  But you are very thoughtful and know your stuff so I'm hoping I can pressure you into having a deeper look!

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