dice.ninja - Now with Plinko!

[carlaonfire]

Any TXIDs for these "refunds"?

yep (was posted on prcdice). for me it's : https://blockchain.info/tx/96bbbf7990b24f9d7e30d1e3d4492756ded345fc79e019bb32f3f61b58eb3fd9

I'm sorry if I'm missing something here (can't really follow PRC chat for hours) - is this whole debacle related to Lucky Bit somehow?

The funds in the sending address 1QAitJvHj5GqzLW6pmheGXTctEwCWR9sNi seem to originate from "Lucky Bit Mod Tip Jar" 1ModTipo7W7wBuEqDeWk6rNmmc6rEL9Qd7

https://blockchain.info/address/1QAitJvHj5GqzLW6pmheGXTctEwCWR9sNi
https://blockchain.info/address/18F3xWqYF7nuEaQeQwUAMFcNSSif4mHdaP
https://blockchain.info/address/1FSPYKXNNcF5LrjFCjZLi8oTwd1oexqfUo
https://blockchain.info/address/1CARLAxMScPuHdoG9pHpj3dFDNDKTZFNVe who is CARLA 
https://blockchain.info/address/1ModTipo7W7wBuEqDeWk6rNmmc6rEL9Qd7

Carla is a mod on LB. 1ModTipo7W7wBuEqDeWk6rNmmc6rEL9Qd7 is the tip jar that mods regularly split between themselves (address is controled by stingleword LB's community manager).
Most likely Carla played on ninja (or sadly for her, invested). We'll ask her to confirm this.

Lemme straighten this out for you:  
   
1FSPYKXNNcF5LrjFCjZLi8oTwd1oexqfUo is a BITFINEX addy

I GOT NOTHING TO DO, NO AFFILIATION WHATSOEVER with this ninja site... I sent my money to Bitfinex when btc price crashed.
Whatsmore I only heard about this ninja site cause it copied LB "plinko style" and again when the news of the scam got around.
And I heard it all in LB chat.

When you deposit to Bitfinex it "generates" an addy, and it seems they use the funds in those addies to return money that is also in Bitfinex (for other people's withdrawals). So this has been only a coincidence, 'cause I still have my money (only I lost some at trading) and again, I've got nothing to do with this and of course NEITHER DOES LUCKYBIT.
Here are 2 screenshots of my Bitfinex account so you can check the info.

http://imgur.com/L6zEaF9
http://imgur.com/Bl0KUBF


So with all this we can deduce that your ninja scammer has a Bitfinex account.

[BBmmBB]

This is the 3rd or 4th time you've been connected with a gambling site that has bit the dust.

I'm not suggesting dooglus is connected to it.

Yes, you are. You're explicitly stating that I'm connected to it.

You've promoted, supported, and helped (through escrow or whatever) 2 or 3 dice sites now that have run off with people funds. The one you've been against, PRCDice, is ironically now the only one left standing.

That is what r3wt is trying to say.

So what ?

Who the hell would trust some dice site just because some trusted anonymous person supports it , "promotes it" or helping it ?

WELCOME TO CRYPTO!!!! 

[suchmoon]

This is the 3rd or 4th time you've been connected with a gambling site that has bit the dust.

I'm not suggesting dooglus is connected to it.

Yes, you are. You're explicitly stating that I'm connected to it.

You've promoted, supported, and helped (through escrow or whatever) 2 or 3 dice sites now that have run off with people funds. You have provided those sites indirect trust through your support of them (if Dooglus trusts them, the most trustest gambling owner around, I should trust them < the indirect conclusion here).

The one you've been against, PRCDice, is ironically now the only one left standing hasn't run to this point.

That is what r3wt is trying to say.

I would agree but not to that you're involved or knew they would run. I think you've become gullible as you've become bored. Just-Dice used to occupy all your time, you got your thrills from handling that despite it being so much work.

Why is escrow being mentioned in this context as if it's a bad thing? It was to protect signature campaign members against insolvency and it worked, so dooglus did his part in compensating at least a small set of creditors.

And yes, making an investment decision based on an imaginary endorsement by a forum personality is as dumb as blaming said personality for the consequences. Doesn't justify the scam in any way, but if anyone really did invest because of dooglus consider that an expensive lesson learned.

What's next, should I blame AK that betting using his "strategy" isn't working for me?  

[alabamafan1]

This is the 3rd or 4th time you've been connected with a gambling site that has bit the dust.

I'm not suggesting dooglus is connected to it.

Yes, you are. You're explicitly stating that I'm connected to it.

You've promoted, supported, and helped (through escrow or whatever) 2 or 3 dice sites now that have run off with people funds. You have provided those sites indirect trust through your support of them (if Dooglus trusts them, the most trustest gambling owner around, I should trust them < the indirect conclusion here).

The one you've been against, PRCDice, is ironically now the only one left standing hasn't run to this point.

That is what r3wt is trying to say.

I would agree but not to that you're involved or knew they would run. I think you've become gullible as you've become bored. Just-Dice used to occupy all your time, you got your thrills from handling that despite it being so much work.

Why is escrow being mentioned in this context as if it's a bad thing? It was to protect signature campaign members against insolvency and it worked, so dooglus did his part in compensating at least a small set of creditors.

And yes, making an investment decision based on an imaginary endorsement by a forum personality is as dumb as blaming said personality for the consequences. Doesn't justify the scam in any way, but if anyone really did invest because of dooglus consider that an expensive lesson learned.

What's next, should I blame AK that betting using his "strategy" isn't working for me?  

I am not blaming Dooglus just explaining the situation. Everyone makes their own investment and should understand the risk themselves. None of these <6 months old dice sites are even worth a look at playing at let alone investing in, in my opinion.

[suchmoon]

Any TXIDs for these "refunds"?

yep (was posted on prcdice). for me it's : https://blockchain.info/tx/96bbbf7990b24f9d7e30d1e3d4492756ded345fc79e019bb32f3f61b58eb3fd9

I'm sorry if I'm missing something here (can't really follow PRC chat for hours) - is this whole debacle related to Lucky Bit somehow?

The funds in the sending address 1QAitJvHj5GqzLW6pmheGXTctEwCWR9sNi seem to originate from "Lucky Bit Mod Tip Jar" 1ModTipo7W7wBuEqDeWk6rNmmc6rEL9Qd7

https://blockchain.info/address/1QAitJvHj5GqzLW6pmheGXTctEwCWR9sNi
https://blockchain.info/address/18F3xWqYF7nuEaQeQwUAMFcNSSif4mHdaP
https://blockchain.info/address/1FSPYKXNNcF5LrjFCjZLi8oTwd1oexqfUo
https://blockchain.info/address/1CARLAxMScPuHdoG9pHpj3dFDNDKTZFNVe who is CARLA 
https://blockchain.info/address/1ModTipo7W7wBuEqDeWk6rNmmc6rEL9Qd7

Carla is a mod on LB. 1ModTipo7W7wBuEqDeWk6rNmmc6rEL9Qd7 is the tip jar that mods regularly split between themselves (address is controled by stingleword LB's community manager).
Most likely Carla played on ninja (or sadly for her, invested). We'll ask her to confirm this.

Lemme straighten this out for you:  
   
1FSPYKXNNcF5LrjFCjZLi8oTwd1oexqfUo is a BITFINEX addy

I GOT NOTHING TO DO, NO AFFILIATION WHATSOEVER with this ninja site... I sent my money to Bitfinex when btc price crashed.
Whatsmore I only heard about this ninja site cause it copied LB "plinko style" and again when the news of the scam got around.
And I heard it all in LB chat.

When you deposit to Bitfinex it "generates" an addy, and it seems they use the funds in those addies to return money that is also in Bitfinex (for other people's withdrawals). So this has been only a coincidence, 'cause I still have my money (only I lost some at trading) and again, I've got nothing to do with this and of course NEITHER DOES LUCKYBIT.
Here are 2 screenshots of my Bitfinex account so you can check the info.

http://imgur.com/L6zEaF9
http://imgur.com/Bl0KUBF


So with all this we can deduce that your ninja scammer has a Bitfinex account.

Thank you for taking your time to explain this.

[suchmoon]

This is the 3rd or 4th time you've been connected with a gambling site that has bit the dust.

I'm not suggesting dooglus is connected to it.

Yes, you are. You're explicitly stating that I'm connected to it.

You've promoted, supported, and helped (through escrow or whatever) 2 or 3 dice sites now that have run off with people funds. You have provided those sites indirect trust through your support of them (if Dooglus trusts them, the most trustest gambling owner around, I should trust them < the indirect conclusion here).

The one you've been against, PRCDice, is ironically now the only one left standing hasn't run to this point.

That is what r3wt is trying to say.

I would agree but not to that you're involved or knew they would run. I think you've become gullible as you've become bored. Just-Dice used to occupy all your time, you got your thrills from handling that despite it being so much work.

Why is escrow being mentioned in this context as if it's a bad thing? It was to protect signature campaign members against insolvency and it worked, so dooglus did his part in compensating at least a small set of creditors.

And yes, making an investment decision based on an imaginary endorsement by a forum personality is as dumb as blaming said personality for the consequences. Doesn't justify the scam in any way, but if anyone really did invest because of dooglus consider that an expensive lesson learned.

What's next, should I blame AK that betting using his "strategy" isn't working for me?  

I am not blaming Dooglus just explaining the situation. Everyone makes their own investment and should understand the risk themselves. None of these <6 months old dice sites are even worth a look at playing at let alone investing in, in my opinion.

Sorry, this should have been addressed more towards r3wt.

[r3wt]

This is the 3rd or 4th time you've been connected with a gambling site that has bit the dust.

I'm not suggesting dooglus is connected to it.

Yes, you are. You're explicitly stating that I'm connected to it.

You've promoted, supported, and helped (through escrow or whatever) 2 or 3 dice sites now that have run off with people funds. You have provided those sites indirect trust through your support of them (if Dooglus trusts them, the most trustest gambling owner around, I should trust them < the indirect conclusion here).

The one you've been against, PRCDice, is ironically now the only one left standing hasn't run to this point.

That is what r3wt is trying to say.

I would agree but not to that you're involved or knew they would run. I think you've become gullible as you've become bored. Just-Dice used to occupy all your time, you got your thrills from handling that despite it being so much work.

Why is escrow being mentioned in this context as if it's a bad thing? It was to protect signature campaign members against insolvency and it worked, so dooglus did his part in compensating at least a small set of creditors.

And yes, making an investment decision based on an imaginary endorsement by a forum personality is as dumb as blaming said personality for the consequences. Doesn't justify the scam in any way, but if anyone really did invest because of dooglus consider that an expensive lesson learned.

What's next, should I blame AK that betting using his "strategy" isn't working for me?  

I am not blaming Dooglus just explaining the situation. Everyone makes their own investment and should understand the risk themselves. None of these <6 months old dice sites are even worth a look at playing at let alone investing in, in my opinion.

Sorry, this should have been addressed more towards r3wt.

Agree to disagree. In real life, when you endorse a product or service, you are actively putting your reputation on the line. If it turns out great, its just another boost to your already sterling reputation. If it turns out badly your reputation takes a hit.  The logical problem with your argument is that you are taking up for a supposedly trusted member with absolutely no reason other than trusted status, and at the same time saying anyone who trusted him enough to invest is, to paraphrase loosely "stupid". so, do you see how you have just discredited your own argument?

[suchmoon]

Agree to disagree. In real life, when you endorse a product or service, you are actively putting your reputation on the line. If it turns out great, its just another boost to your already sterling reputation. If it turns out badly your reputation takes a hit.  The logical problem with your argument is that you are taking up for a supposedly trusted member with absolutely no reason other than trusted status, and at the same time saying anyone who trusted him enough to invest is, to paraphrase loosely "stupid". so, do you see how you have just discredited your own argument?

No, sorry, I don't. What do you mean by "you are taking up for a supposedly trusted member"?

As for investing, I can't see a direct link between trusting dooglus and an investment into DB or DN. I trust dooglus as a casino owner (still wouldn't invest more than I could to lose and neither should anyone), but I have no clue about dooglus as an investment adviser and I don't know if he had ever claimed to be one or had actually provided any advice other than the assumed endorsements. I don't take investment advice from my dentist or from Oprah either although I trust them in other ways (well, maybe not Oprah). Why does common sense have to be different in an interwebs forum?

[r3wt]

Agree to disagree. In real life, when you endorse a product or service, you are actively putting your reputation on the line. If it turns out great, its just another boost to your already sterling reputation. If it turns out badly your reputation takes a hit.  The logical problem with your argument is that you are taking up for a supposedly trusted member with absolutely no reason other than trusted status, and at the same time saying anyone who trusted him enough to invest is, to paraphrase loosely "stupid". so, do you see how you have just discredited your own argument?

No, sorry, I don't. What do you mean by "you are taking up for a supposedly trusted member"?

As for investing, I can't see a direct link between trusting dooglus and an investment into DB or DN. I trust dooglus as a casino owner (still wouldn't invest more than I could to lose and neither should anyone), but I have no clue about dooglus as an investment adviser and I don't know if he had ever claimed to be one or had actually provided any advice other than the assumed endorsements. I don't take investment advice from my dentist or from Oprah either although I trust them in other ways (well, maybe not Oprah). Why does common sense have to be different in an interwebs forum?

Ok, now you're just trying to change the subject. my original argument had nothing to do with investing in these sites. It's the simple presence of dooglus in this thread and as an escrow provider in relation to these websites that mysterioulsy vanished. Either he's complicit, gullible, or in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[BBmmBB]

Agree to disagree. In real life, when you endorse a product or service, you are actively putting your reputation on the line. If it turns out great, its just another boost to your already sterling reputation. If it turns out badly your reputation takes a hit.  The logical problem with your argument is that you are taking up for a supposedly trusted member with absolutely no reason other than trusted status, and at the same time saying anyone who trusted him enough to invest is, to paraphrase loosely "stupid". so, do you see how you have just discredited your own argument?

No, sorry, I don't. What do you mean by "you are taking up for a supposedly trusted member"?

As for investing, I can't see a direct link between trusting dooglus and an investment into DB or DN. I trust dooglus as a casino owner (still wouldn't invest more than I could to lose and neither should anyone), but I have no clue about dooglus as an investment adviser and I don't know if he had ever claimed to be one or had actually provided any advice other than the assumed endorsements. I don't take investment advice from my dentist or from Oprah either although I trust them in other ways (well, maybe not Oprah). Why does common sense have to be different in an interwebs forum?

Ok, now you're just trying to change the subject. my original argument had nothing to do with investing in these sites. It's the simple presence of dooglus in this thread and as an escrow provider in relation to these websites that mysterioulsy vanished. Either he's complicit, gullible, or in the wrong place at the wrong time.

doog is provably verifiability innocent !!! *TRUST ME* ~ WOULD I LIE TO YOU ?     rotffmfao

[galbros]

Ok, now you're just trying to change the subject. my original argument had nothing to do with investing in these sites. It's the simple presence of dooglus in this thread and as an escrow provider in relation to these websites that mysterioulsy vanished. Either he's complicit, gullible, or in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm sorry, I understand your point but don't think this is in any way fair.  Dooglus knows a lot about probability and how to run a successful and honest dice site, so he is naturally interested in them so he posts in their threads.  He posts and discusses them.  Sure he signed up for a signature campaign but so have dozens of other bitcointalk users and to his credit he bailed when he realized that some were taking his signature as an endorsement which it was not.

By definition escrow suggests a LACK of trust, so him serving as escrow for some of the signature sponsors isn't an endorsement, it's simply him holding their coins.

You are correct that dooglus has a lot of credibility here and I appreciate his commentary on sites, especially when he finds problems with them.  He himself has said repeatedly that there is no way to guarantee investors that they cannot be exploited by an opportunistic site owner and the obvious risk of running away with the coins.  

I'm really glad he's around and if your comments discourage him from posting about sites that would bring the community down.

[BBmmBB]

Ok, now you're just trying to change the subject. my original argument had nothing to do with investing in these sites. It's the simple presence of dooglus in this thread and as an escrow provider in relation to these websites that mysterioulsy vanished. Either he's complicit, gullible, or in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm sorry, I understand your point but don't think this is in any way fair.  Dooglus knows a lot about probability and how to run a successful and honest dice site, so he is naturally interested in them so he posts in their threads.  He posts and discusses them.  Sure he signed up for a signature campaign but so have dozens of other bitcointalk users and to his credit he bailed when he realized that some were taking his signature as an endorsement which it was not.

By definition escrow suggests a LACK of trust, so him serving as escrow for some of the signature sponsors isn't an endorsement, it's simply him holding their coins.

You are correct that dooglus has a lot of credibility here and I appreciate his commentary on sites, especially when he finds problems with them.  He himself has said repeatedly that there is no way to guarantee investors that they cannot be exploited by an opportunistic site owner and the obvious risk of running away with the coins.  

I'm really glad he's around and if your comments discourage him from posting about sites that would bring the community down.

tl;dr = agreed doog is the expert scammer! lol :-)

[Dotcommie]

Why are we arguing about Dooglas endorsing it when plenty of us have endorsed things that ultimately have failed?  I used to think JPCdice and the others were reputable and reliable until this happened, is he not entitled to play dice simply because he closed his site preemptively when his country changed some rules?

We should be focusing on what we know and getting to the bottom of where the coins are or who has the money from selling the coins.

[r3wt]

Ok, now you're just trying to change the subject. my original argument had nothing to do with investing in these sites. It's the simple presence of dooglus in this thread and as an escrow provider in relation to these websites that mysterioulsy vanished. Either he's complicit, gullible, or in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm sorry, I understand your point but don't think this is in any way fair.  Dooglus knows a lot about probability and how to run a successful and honest dice site, so he is naturally interested in them so he posts in their threads.  He posts and discusses them.  Sure he signed up for a signature campaign but so have dozens of other bitcointalk users and to his credit he bailed when he realized that some were taking his signature as an endorsement which it was not.

By definition escrow suggests a LACK of trust, so him serving as escrow for some of the signature sponsors isn't an endorsement, it's simply him holding their coins.

You are correct that dooglus has a lot of credibility here and I appreciate his commentary on sites, especially when he finds problems with them.  He himself has said repeatedly that there is no way to guarantee investors that they cannot be exploited by an opportunistic site owner and the obvious risk of running away with the coins.  

I'm really glad he's around and if your comments discourage him from posting about sites that would bring the community down.

How is my point not fair? it's an undeniable truth in human relationships, whether on a forum or in real life. You have to be careful what you endorse, because if it takes a hit, your reputation will likely be called into question, whether you are to blame or not. Your argument attempts to make some points, but they are made moot by one simple fact. You are asking others not to question dooglus' actions/motives, while at the same time you are telling others to stop blindly trusting in hero members with positive trust, which is akin to "Do as i say, not as i do".

There is a common pattern here on bitcointalk, and its been going on since the early days of my enrollment here. A hero member attaches their name/reputation to services, and others are quick to follow suit without question, usually with the consequence of losing their coins, whether it be by investing or losing through the service. The hero member eventually gets called into question, and the people who called him into the question are actively discredited, given negative trust and in some cases banned from the forums.

I hope that this illustrates my stance on the manner, but if it doesn't let me clarify by summation of the above points my exact position on the matter:

I am not suggesting that dooglus is complicit in this scheme, but rather that he should not be immediately ruled out because of his position in the default trust. This does not apply specifically only to dooglus. This applies to all trusted members who attach their name through endorsement, real or implied, to a service that ultimately results in the loss of customer funds. These people should absolutely be called into question, and if they are truly absent of blame, they will have no problem proving it, actively reinforcing their trustworthiness.

[JoeMattie]

Update: I just had 0.5 BTC show up in my emergency address

This is the address: 1KZD3fmaGsZz8LmtHdo4wSwLoHVLQJdHtY

this is the TX:

https://blockchain.info/tx/58bc687c2da304bb5d3dee003c8cebb9366fb2373a8c3b2b7857ff8960eb7b4b

This is 1/100th of what they owe me...

Right after I mentioned this on prcdice I got disconnected, and now can't reconnect...

[MICRO]

Update: I just had 0.5 BTC show up in my emergency address

This is the address: 1KZD3fmaGsZz8LmtHdo4wSwLoHVLQJdHtY

this is the TX:

https://blockchain.info/tx/58bc687c2da304bb5d3dee003c8cebb9366fb2373a8c3b2b7857ff8960eb7b4b

This is 1/100th of what they owe me...

Right after I mentioned this on prcdice I got disconnected, and now can't reconnect...

Looks like prcdice.eu is down.

[Baro]

Update: I just had 0.5 BTC show up in my emergency address

This is the address: 1KZD3fmaGsZz8LmtHdo4wSwLoHVLQJdHtY

this is the TX:

https://blockchain.info/tx/58bc687c2da304bb5d3dee003c8cebb9366fb2373a8c3b2b7857ff8960eb7b4b

This is 1/100th of what they owe me...

Right after I mentioned this on prcdice I got disconnected, and now can't reconnect...

It's from the same address i got my 1.1 yesterday.

[r3wt]

is it possible the authorities are shutting these places down, and placing the owners under gag orders? i don't think we can rule that possibility out just yet.

[BBmmBB]

Ok, now you're just trying to change the subject. my original argument had nothing to do with investing in these sites. It's the simple presence of dooglus in this thread and as an escrow provider in relation to these websites that mysterioulsy vanished. Either he's complicit, gullible, or in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I'm sorry, I understand your point but don't think this is in any way fair.  Dooglus knows a lot about probability and how to run a successful and honest dice site, so he is naturally interested in them so he posts in their threads.  He posts and discusses them.  Sure he signed up for a signature campaign but so have dozens of other bitcointalk users and to his credit he bailed when he realized that some were taking his signature as an endorsement which it was not.

By definition escrow suggests a LACK of trust, so him serving as escrow for some of the signature sponsors isn't an endorsement, it's simply him holding their coins.

You are correct that dooglus has a lot of credibility here and I appreciate his commentary on sites, especially when he finds problems with them.  He himself has said repeatedly that there is no way to guarantee investors that they cannot be exploited by an opportunistic site owner and the obvious risk of running away with the coins.  

I'm really glad he's around and if your comments discourage him from posting about sites that would bring the community down.

How is my point not fair? it's an undeniable truth in human relationships, whether on a forum or in real life. You have to be careful what you endorse, because if it takes a hit, your reputation will likely be called into question, whether you are to blame or not. Your argument attempts to make some points, but they are made moot by one simple fact. You are asking others not to question dooglus' actions/motives, while at the same time you are telling others to stop blindly trusting in hero members with positive trust, which is akin to "Do as i say, not as i do".

There is a common pattern here on bitcointalk, and its been going on since the early days of my enrollment here. A hero member attaches their name/reputation to services, and others are quick to follow suit without question, usually with the consequence of losing their coins, whether it be by investing or losing through the service. The hero member eventually gets called into question, and the people who called him into the question are actively discredited, given negative trust and in some cases banned from the forums.

I hope that this illustrates my stance on the manner, but if it doesn't let me clarify by summation of the above points my exact position on the matter:

I am not suggesting that dooglus is complicit in this scheme, but rather that he should not be immediately ruled out because of his position in the default trust. This does not apply specifically only to dooglus. This applies to all trusted members who attach their name through endorsement, real or implied, to a service that ultimately results in the loss of customer funds. These people should absolutely be called into question, and if they are truly absent of blame, they will have no problem proving it, actively reinforcing their trustworthiness.

nobody listen to this TROLL    EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BTCUY TRUST !!! THIS IS CRYPTO!!!  

[Jungian]

No the thieving little coward are just getting scared when he's are doxxed.
Trying to cool their marks by sending small payments to avoid the manhunt.