dice.ninja - Now with Plinko!

[r3wt]

here's a conspiracy:

Dear marks, all 3 conspired to scam you out of your coins, now they are poiting the finger at each other to cool you off, leaving you questioning who actually committed the crime.

[caga]

02:24: espringe: @AKCoinDigger, you might want to make sure no one has your skype account -- i just tried to locate its ip address and it says one in LA ?
02:24: AKCoinDigger: fuck
02:24: AKCoinDigger: I'm locked out
02:25: espringe: Someone is logged in, and it says an ip address from LA
02:25: AKCoinDigger: resetting password

I just don't trust anyone or any site now.

[snarlpill]

OH. And I forgot this- AK got doxxed in the DiceBitco.in thread before Dice.Ninja ran with the bankroll.  Now to me it doesn't seem likely that some million dollar theft would be pulled days after somebody is publicly doxxed. And he is using his real name for his BTCtalk account, Joe Mattie. Sure, he could have had secret other accounts, but to me it just seems like somebody who is a known whale who gambles 1000s of coins publicly, wouldn't be posting as his real name if they were coins stolen from another site's bankroll that he was publicly whaling with.


EDIT: We all trust dooglus, myself included, but in the end he is still anonymous. Espringe is supposedly someone named E.S. (name withheld out of respect, even if publicly available), but that could easily be doog + espringe. I mean really, who the hell knows? Apparently I need to bust out the tinfoil hat everytime I come to the gambling section here nowadays. I think I am just going to sit back, wait for more definitive proof, not personally accuse anybody of anything, and just sit back and try to see who is lobbing the accusations and/or pointing the finger away from themselves the most. That might be telling in itself.

EDIT 2: Reading through this^ again it sounded like I was/am suspicious of dooglus & espringe. Just to clarify- that is not the case at all, but I was using it as an example of how some things can be vastly different than they appear.

[oppahdoggystyle]

Something ridiculous and crazy I thought of in my caffeine high: Is it possible dicebitco.in site owner is dmf, who in turn is AK.

Honestly... this development is getting very interesting.

[r3wt]

OH. And I forgot this- AK got doxxed in the DiceBitco.in thread before Dice.Ninja ran with the bankroll.  Now to me it doesn't seem likely that some million dollar theft would be pulled days after somebody is publicly doxxed. And he is using his real name for his BTCtalk account, Joe Mattie. Sure, he could have had secret other accounts, but to me it just seems like somebody who is a known whale who gambles 1000s of coins publicly, wouldn't be posting as his real name if they were coins stolen from another site's bankroll that he was publicly whaling with.

to some of them its a thrill crime, and they like planting information for the thrill of possibly getting caught

[MICRO]

I wouldn't be surprised FBI hires some of u guys !

[Gws24]

So far the only thing is clear - both versions of the story are even harder to believe than before. Turns out espringe/dooglus don't have much beyond the IPs and AK is holding his line. Stalemate?

Pretty much.

Besides the whole IP address debate I can think of two things that might show some light on this:

1) Stunna checks where the btc came from that AK lost on PD. Difficulty here is that some of those btc are sure to originate from the withdrawal AK made from DN. But some or even a large part might not and if thats the case then that is an indication AK has nothing to do with it.

2) AK could sign a btc address showing he has a lot of coins. He could choose an address not linked to DN. If he does this then that is an indication he doesn't need the DN btc. This obviously depends on him willing to do this and I don't know if I would if I were him.

Both things aren't going to deliver 100% proof either way but only an indication. FWIW AK is the first accused scammer I've seen on here that responds as an actual innocent person so I tend to believe him for now.

all imho ofcourse.

[snarlpill]

Something ridiculous and crazy I thought of in my caffeine high: Is it possible dicebitco.in site owner is dmf, who in turn is AK.

Honestly... this development is getting very interesting.

Not likely. They bashed each other + basically doxxed each other in the end. AK doxxed manl from his own account; whereas manl created a new account to doxx AK in retaliation.

[suchmoon]

OH. And I forgot this- AK got doxxed in the DiceBitco.in thread before Dice.Ninja ran with the bankroll.  Now to me it doesn't seem likely that some million dollar theft would be pulled days after somebody is publicly doxxed. And he is using his real name for his BTCtalk account, Joe Mattie. Sure, he could have had secret other accounts, but to me it just seems like somebody who is a known whale who gambles 1000s of coins publicly, wouldn't be posting as his real name if they were coins stolen from another site's bankroll that he was publicly whaling with.

Technically it doesn't matter because the AK-dmf link should have never been exposed. But it's also hard to believe that someone familiar with TOR would go to great lengths to create gambling sites under false identities but would fail to make sure those identities are not using the same IP. There are still huge gaps in both versions.

[tucenaber]

AK: The dog ate it! I swear!

[suchmoon]

2) AK could sign a btc address showing he has a lot of coins. He could choose an address not linked to DN. If he does this then that is an indication he doesn't need the DN btc. This obviously depends on him willing to do this and I don't know if I would if I were him.

If the address would show that he HAD a lot of BTC before August when dice.ninja showed up, and kept it throughout, that's a fairly substantial argument in AK's favor IMHO. If it only shows that he had coins but doesn't anymore, or that he now has coins but didn't before, that would still leave a lot of questions.

[omahapoker]

I've chatted with AK many time on PM . not once did i think this story was true. AK is a cool mutherfucker



i dont think dmf anD TO4D planned on scamming till a week or two ago. I noticed i didnt chat with them al all last two weeks and that was kinda odd since we used to chat for hours everyday.



time to get back on the real hunt

[Cyrax89721]

I doubt this is of any relevance any more, but I confirmed this as one of AK's BTC addresses last week.

https://blockchain.info/address/18iGdLrBucZhSgcnUuWdEHnjZ315QUBSXt

[suchmoon]

So let's all chill, and assume both Jeremy and Joe are innocent like they deserve. If anyone else has any evidence, circumstantial or not -- bring it forward =)

Absolutely. Circumstantially you're dmf because you're trying so hard to dox it on someone else.

Seriously though, amusing as it may be, behind this soap opera there is still 2000+ missing coins and some truly fucked investors. Is there anything else that can be learned from the IPs or is it a dead end? Like for example AK mentioned he could look into his logs, so if we trust he's not involved what could he look for? Can he possibly find dmf's true IP from his tor node or not?

How about AWS, Amazon doesn't really take BTC as payment, so someone had to pay with CC / bank account for the servers. Though probably not a chance to get to that without involving authorities.

[BayAreaCoins]

I do not believe AK is involved.

I believe it is much more likely that Eric from Money Pot is involved or at the very least not being fully honest.

[BayAreaCoins]

That due is almost a bigger douche than Dean

I honestly don't think he is that bad of a guy tbh.  He is in his early stages of being a global casino owner.

I think he will wise up over time and hold his tongue a bit more.  Just part of it and it is hard not to look like a douche when you are getting trolled 6 ways from Sunday

Edit:

Uvwvj lemme get that signature

[johndon]

It seems we had a 'dmf' on Just-Dice too:

Sat Jun  7 05:42:21 2014 (788073) <vienna> two guys named dmf and toad
Tue Jun 17 18:41:29 2014 (826496) <dmf> AGY is A Great Yoose, a whale from jpcdice
Tue Jun 17 18:42:02 2014 (826496) <dmf> hiya
Tue Jun 17 18:44:18 2014 (826496) <dmf> oh god yoose
Tue Jun 17 18:49:31 2014 (826496) <dmf> his chart at jpcdice: https://jpcdice.com/static/html/graphs/470.html
Tue Jun 17 18:50:11 2014 (826496) <dmf> that was like +20k$ to -40k$
Tue Jun 17 18:52:37 2014 (826496) <dmf> he won't stop until either you are broke or he is
Tue Jun 17 18:53:30 2014 (826496) <dmf> he spammed max bet at jpc for six hours the other day
Tue Jun 17 18:54:55 2014 (826496) <dmf> oh wow
Tue Jun 17 18:55:13 2014 (826496) <dmf> lol
Tue Jun 17 18:56:23 2014 (826496) <dmf> he will never stop
Tue Jun 17 18:56:49 2014 (74747) <uvwvj> Yeah he will this isnt come infinite shit coin place (826496) <dmf> he will never stop
Tue Jun 17 18:57:12 2014 (826496) <dmf> uvwvj, what's with the hostility?
Tue Jun 17 18:59:06 2014 (826496) <dmf> his graph is just a sine wave
Tue Jun 17 19:02:36 2014 (826496) <dmf> doog, if he doesn't bust he will destroy your investment
Tue Jun 17 19:03:05 2014 (74747) <uvwvj> Please kindly just STFU (826496) <dmf> doog, if he doesn't bust he will destroy your investment
Tue Jun 17 19:03:24 2014 (826496) <dmf> uvwvj, no u
Tue Jun 17 19:04:41 2014 (826496) <dmf> GO YOOSE
Tue Jun 17 19:05:32 2014 (826496) <dmf> uvwvj, I really don't appreciate the hating.  yes I made my own dice site for an altcoin.  is that really such a big deal to you? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, you know
Tue Jun 17 19:16:22 2014 (826496) <dmf> we're not baiting him
Tue Jun 17 19:16:44 2014 (826496) <dmf> we hopefully convinced him to cash out
Tue Jun 17 19:21:28 2014 (826496) <dmf> Yose I really hope you cashed some of that out
Tue Jun 17 19:25:39 2014 (826496) <dmf> I think he cashed out a bunch of it
Thu Jun 19 06:46:14 2014 (798416) <rufus> or dmf?
Tue Aug 19 09:47:14 2014 (225929) <inkha> i havenk AK, but dmf runs jpcdice and darkdice.net
Sun Sep 21 23:03:27 2014 (4764) <@Wilco> bay dmf and toad are cool bro

Edit: some context for that line from inkha one line up from the end:

Tue Aug 19 09:32:28 2014 (843481) <AKCoinMiner> anybody check out dice.ninja yet?
Tue Aug 19 09:32:33 2014 (843481) <AKCoinMiner> it looks cool
Tue Aug 19 09:32:43 2014 (843481) <AKCoinMiner> but basically nothing invested yet
Tue Aug 19 09:47:14 2014 (225929) <inkha> i havenk AK, but dmf runs jpcdice and darkdice.net

That was the first mention of dice.ninja in the JD chat, about 8 hours after the launch announcement was posted.

Its the real dmf in the chat, i was online when he was writing this, we were chatting in jpcdice

[BayAreaCoins]

Sun Sep 21 23:03:27 2014 (4764) <@Wilco> bay dmf and toad are cool bro

I wonder what I said to have Wilco say that to me.  Any chance you could pull that Doog?

Uvwvj I'l mail you a Bottle beer of your choice

[Gws24]

2) AK could sign a btc address showing he has a lot of coins. He could choose an address not linked to DN. If he does this then that is an indication he doesn't need the DN btc. This obviously depends on him willing to do this and I don't know if I would if I were him.

If the address would show that he HAD a lot of BTC before August when dice.ninja showed up, and kept it throughout, that's a fairly substantial argument in AK's favor IMHO. If it only shows that he had coins but doesn't anymore, or that he now has coins but didn't before, that would still leave a lot of questions.

Obviously several scenarios could arise if ak signs such an address but I was thinking of the first scenario you described here. Furthermore if AK reallly is the big whale able to loose 800 btc on PD then unless he is a real degen that should only represent a small percentage of his total amount of btc. What i'm getting at here is that somebody who has say 10k btc is less likely to scam for 2k than somebody who has 50. Ofcourse, as we all know there is no end to greed in this world so it wouldn't be hard evidence...

[tucenaber]

I've chatted with AK many time on PM . not once did i think this story was true. AK is a cool mutherfucker



i dont think dmf anD TO4D planned on scamming till a week or two ago. I noticed i didnt chat with them al all last two weeks and that was kinda odd since we used to chat for hours everyday.



time to get back on the real hunt

Cool story.