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December 03, 2015, 04:24:52 AM |
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If you're renting your hash, then somebody hit a block of an alt coin with your miner.
oh I see...my hash was redirected to an alt with lower diff and the miner found a block... I guess never stop learning... thx for explanation *hash use a hack in their "special" *hash cgminer versions called "extranonce subscribe" It allows them to point your miner at any pool, any sha256 coin at any time and you wont ever know. I wont put it in master cgminer - but the clone miner supports it in master also. Thank you for standing up for right thing as always. I never got to into extragonce as it seemed nicehash was main place pushing for it and they really are not that good anymore on pay vs just mining. That is very scary though they could point to another pool. Have there been any documented cases? Or just theory? Or I guess we might not know it sounds like. |
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kano
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December 03, 2015, 04:41:26 AM |
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If you're renting your hash, then somebody hit a block of an alt coin with your miner.
oh I see...my hash was redirected to an alt with lower diff and the miner found a block... I guess never stop learning... thx for explanation *hash use a hack in their "special" *hash cgminer versions called "extranonce subscribe" It allows them to point your miner at any pool, any sha256 coin at any time and you wont ever know. I wont put it in master cgminer - but the clone miner supports it in master also. Thank you for standing up for right thing as always. I never got to into extragonce as it seemed nicehash was main place pushing for it and they really are not that good anymore on pay vs just mining. That is very scary though they could point to another pool. Have there been any documented cases? Or just theory? Or I guess we might not know it sounds like. That's how it works. The idea behind it is to avoid stale shares. But like any hack and slash idea, you need to consider the consequences. If you mined at some rogue proxy (or pool) they could be sending a few hashes here and a few hashes there and you'd never even know. It's simply too open to abuse. |
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December 03, 2015, 05:16:02 AM |
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If you're renting your hash, then somebody hit a block of an alt coin with your miner.
oh I see...my hash was redirected to an alt with lower diff and the miner found a block... I guess never stop learning... thx for explanation *hash use a hack in their "special" *hash cgminer versions called "extranonce subscribe" It allows them to point your miner at any pool, any sha256 coin at any time and you wont ever know. I wont put it in master cgminer - but the clone miner supports it in master also. Thank you for standing up for right thing as always. I never got to into extragonce as it seemed nicehash was main place pushing for it and they really are not that good anymore on pay vs just mining. That is very scary though they could point to another pool. Have there been any documented cases? Or just theory? Or I guess we might not know it sounds like. That's how it works. The idea behind it is to avoid stale shares. But like any hack and slash idea, you need to consider the consequences. If you mined at some rogue proxy (or pool) they could be sending a few hashes here and a few hashes there and you'd never even know. It's simply too open to abuse. Ok but let say you rent 100 Th They sending 20 TH to own pool At the end What will I see on the pool dashborad/stats 80TH or 100TH? |
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kano
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December 03, 2015, 05:29:52 AM |
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Ok but let say you rent 100 Th
They sending 20 TH to own pool
At the end What will I see on the pool dashborad/stats 80TH or 100TH?
Unfortunately that's not relevant. The proxy dashboard can show whatever it likes, so that's not gonna guarantee anything in any way. The pool it was sent to should show "hash rate" x "time" difficulty accepted (but I've no idea what % of that, people consider OK ...) The person who owns the miner, well they're the one who can be done in by "extranonce subscribe" They need to trust the proxy is sending all their hash rate to where they should be sending it They have no idea where it is going and no way to check how much of it is going where They can of course expect a specific amount of "paid for" work, but what exactly is the expected % paid of total hashes? (of course adding a proxy between the miner and any pool, already guarantees more stale work) |
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nix_on
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December 03, 2015, 05:36:30 AM |
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Ok I see
there is no clear answer
but the generally/mostly pool stats should show 80 TH and in this case ?
EDIT
One more question master
If the distribution blocks among the miners/pools is random but proportional to hash
Why so often the bloks fly in a row (2-4) at the same pool (antpool f2pool etc )
What is the cause ?
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Mikestang
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December 03, 2015, 06:09:52 AM |
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Why so often the bloks fly in a row (2-4) at the same pool (antpool f2pool etc )
What is the cause ?
They are very large pools with huge %s of the network hash rate; they are bound to find most of the blocks and sometimes they happen to be in a row. If you had 130PH imagine how many blocks you would solve in a row sometimes. |
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kano
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December 03, 2015, 06:11:21 AM |
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It's random.
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December 03, 2015, 10:33:13 AM |
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Is there still any CPU mining program to mine on solo.ckpool?  I'd like to try my luck. There is no enough RAM at my working laptop to crunch BOINC-related tasks during working time, but I guess CPU mining will be OK.  |
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December 03, 2015, 10:36:22 AM |
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Is there still any CPU mining program to mine on solo.ckpool? I'd like to try my luck. There is no enough RAM at my working laptop to crunch BOINC-related tasks during working time, but I guess CPU mining will be OK. No. |
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December 03, 2015, 03:07:27 PM |
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" Is there still any CPU mining program to mine on solo.ckpool? I'd like to try my luck. There is no enough RAM at my working laptop to crunch BOINC-related tasks during working time, but I guess CPU mining will be OK. " This is a very bad joke man! |
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jonnybravo0311
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December 03, 2015, 03:20:59 PM |
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I think it would be pretty freaking amazing if somebody just happened to fire up good old minerd on his work laptop to show mining to somebody at work and they hit a block. Chances of it happening? Infinitesimally small. Look on the guy's face if it happened? Priceless!
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kano
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December 03, 2015, 04:40:25 PM |
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I think it would be pretty freaking amazing if somebody just happened to fire up good old minerd on his work laptop to show mining to somebody at work and they hit a block. Chances of it happening? Infinitesimally small. Look on the guy's face if it happened? Priceless!
The cost pricefull  (CPU mining power cost is millions of times the expected return) Currently at 30MHs ... ignoring difficulty changes  ... Average Time per Block: 120,504,139days 21hr ... Now to CPU mine for 120 million days ... would cost a lot. |
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udaredme
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December 03, 2015, 04:56:31 PM |
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I cant complain, I only have 4 antminer s3 mining solo when they are not being rented..My best share was 2 months ago at 33 billion. Which that amazed me, since ive rented many many TH and havent come close to that...lol...
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madmartyk
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December 03, 2015, 05:07:40 PM |
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I cant complain, I only have 4 antminer s3 mining solo when they are not being rented..My best share was 2 months ago at 33 billion. Which that amazed me, since ive rented many many TH and havent come close to that...lol...
I know that feeling, I had 2 S5's running at got 14B, I have rented 1P twice and couldn't get over 6B |
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December 03, 2015, 05:48:13 PM |
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I have a U3 sitting on my desk that hit a 33 billion share the other day. I took a screen shot before I had to reboot the laptop. http://imgur.com/lFmFqI2 |
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December 03, 2015, 06:00:14 PM |
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I have a U3 sitting on my desk that hit a 33 billion share the other day. I took a screen shot before I had to reboot the laptop. http://imgur.com/lFmFqI2Dang, so close yet so far. Pretty damn good for a U3! |
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Mikestang
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December 03, 2015, 06:03:32 PM |
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I cant complain, I only have 4 antminer s3 mining solo when they are not being rented..My best share was 2 months ago at 33 billion. Which that amazed me, since ive rented many many TH and havent come close to that...lol... A guy solved a block solo a few months ago with an S3 when difficulty was 51G. My S3+ is still solo lottery ticket scratching, my best ever is only 1.9G.  I have a U3 sitting on my desk that hit a 33 billion share the other day. I took a screen shot before I had to reboot the laptop. http://imgur.com/lFmFqI2Holy cow, that's downright amazing! |
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December 03, 2015, 06:09:29 PM |
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I have a U3 sitting on my desk that hit a 33 billion share the other day. I took a screen shot before I had to reboot the laptop. http://imgur.com/lFmFqI2Cool. I'm also running this thing and my best share's been around 200M so far. |
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December 03, 2015, 06:40:11 PM |
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i wouldnt mind playing around with a few u3..i dont have the money to sink into newer equipment...hence me still running s3's. a chance is a chance..not worth mining per share anymore...in my humble opinion..unless you are banking a ton of speed.
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December 03, 2015, 07:52:15 PM |
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i wouldnt mind playing around with a few u3..i dont have the money to sink into newer equipment...hence me still running s3's. a chance is a chance..not worth mining per share anymore...in my humble opinion..unless you are banking a ton of speed.
Careful with the U3s. They're really hit or miss. If you do get any of them, immediately replace the power supply and USB cables. Recognize though that even after doing so they might still zombie on you pretty often. |
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