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Author Topic: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued  (Read 6578 times)
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September 09, 2014, 06:12:20 PM
Last edit: September 11, 2014, 06:43:53 PM by bitcoininformation
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Dooglus is continuing this campaign over here.


[FULL] DiceBitco.in Siganture Campaign - Continued by Dooglus and BitcoinInformation

Hello everyone,

In this topic Dooglus and I will keep track of the DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign. It's future is uncertain and we are trying our best to keep everything running. DiceBitco.in closed their topics and asked us to pay out at the end of the period, which is something we will try to do. We have had a lot of suggestions and I thank you all for trying to think with us. We made the decision to stick with the rules that DiceBitco.in has setup. It doesn't matter if you can add a disclaimer or anything, we are going to enforce the rules set by them.

I would recommend that everyone who is concerned that DB is a scam should stop wearing the DB signature completely, switch to some other campaign, and at the end of the month we'll pay you out for the 9 days you wore it for.

Then you don't need to add a disclaimer.

It seems unreasonable to expect anyone to pay you for advertising a site with "this is a scam" tagged onto the ad. Even if the rules don't explicitly prohibit it, common sense does. Why would anyone pay you to say they suck?



UPDATE

Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
  • 1. I will pay everyone (even those who dropped out/changed their signature/etc) , that have a positive post count (a few people have a negative or zero post count), with their post count at 14.21 (it's 14.38 now).
  • 2. Dooglus will continue this campaign until the remaining ~5.3BTC is used up, decide for yourself if you stay or not.

Payments will be send within an hour.

The payment has been send: 8f1de07ddd69207a34f84e87371f63656f065005ca6383039fc782e997275126



What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?
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Mitchell: "What does it mean? If my post count will increase while Dooglus is outside, I'll have another payment for the rest of my message, right?"
Correct right?

Dooglus: I'm gonna check sigs regularly
and split the remaining coins between people who keep the sig until I pay
according to count of new posts made
so yeah, as long as he keeps the sig



Quick update: Dooglus is currently out of town and will post here as soon as he gets back.



Rules
  • You must use the highest level of formatting (Color/size/etc) your user group allows to be applicable for the rates.
  • Your signature must reflect your full user group rights.
  • You need AT LEAST 20 posts minimum to claim the reward, and 50+ activity already to enroll.
  • You may not advertise any other sites/threads. This includes non-paid for advertisements.
  • If you are scammer/with negative trust you cannot enroll.
  • Payment will be made the 30th of this month. Please allow up to 48h to complete all payments!
  • You need to have the Dicebitco.in signature AT ALL TIMES you are enrolled. Fail to do so will void all/any outstanding payments owed to you. Dont try to cheat!
  • Maximum 200 posts will be counted per month, minimum 20. Posts posted on THIS specific thread will not count and they are not eligible for payment.
  • ONLY constructive posts will be counted! "+1,' "Thumbs up", "yes", "no", etc posts will NOT be counted, and could delist you from payment if it gets abused.

Note: If you drop out, we will try to pay you at the end of the campaign. We only have 10BTC and we are not certain if this is enough. Members that stick with the campaign gets paid first, then the ones that dropped out and after that, well, if there is anything left it will be either kept or send back.

Note 2: If you don't agree with any of the rules, just drop out. Starting an argument won't help you.

Note 3: The "You need to have the Dicebitco.in signature AT ALL TIMES you are enrolled. Fail to do so will void all/any outstanding payments owed to you. Dont try to cheat!" was added before all this happened and will be enforced. (The last edit on the DiceBitco.in Signature topics is 4 days ago).

Note 4: If your post count is higher than the 200 maximum, there is a very big chance you won't get paid for the extra ones you made. This is to ensure that we can pay out everyone as good as possible.

Note 5: Changes can and will happen.

Note 6: Dooglus had to go on a unexpected road trip:
I just found out I have to be offline for the next day or so. I have a lot of driving to do. So no I didn't run off with the escrow coins or anything...

I'll be back when I can.



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September 09, 2014, 06:22:23 PM
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Instead of adding a "this is a scam" can I add a "I do not endorse any ads in my signature"? Thanks

What if 10BTC isn't enough to cover everyone at the end of the month?
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September 09, 2014, 06:24:21 PM
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Instead of adding a "this is a scam" can I add a "I do not endorse any ads in my signature"? Thanks

What if 10BTC isn't enough to cover everyone at the end of the month?
No, you cannot. A gambling website wouldn't pay you for that.

If the 10BTC isn't enough we will have to figure something out. We haven't worked out a plan for that just yet, since Dooglus had to go on a unexpected road trip.

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September 09, 2014, 06:28:56 PM
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Instead of adding a "this is a scam" can I add a "I do not endorse any ads in my signature"? Thanks

What if 10BTC isn't enough to cover everyone at the end of the month?


You still have not fixed your signature. I PMd you about it 3 days ago and AFAIK doog hinted at it as well... I can post screenshots later if you want to see how it looks.

Im not really here, its just your imagination.
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September 09, 2014, 06:33:08 PM
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Continuing from the other thread:

I know about that arrangement macrotheminer, but if Dooglus and I need to pay people we will most likely stop counting after the maximum of 200 posts per month, since we have a very limited amount of funds.

I understand. The plan is that dicebitcoin pays out (the final test wether they want to continue the site, IMO)

I don't know why they asked up (us*) to pay out, rather than continuing as normal. I've asked, but they didn't tell me.

My guess is that they are concerned that if they pay out, we keep the 10 BTC and use it to refund people who are owed money for bets that weren't paid out. Basically trust has broken down which is exactly when escrow kicks in.

Perhaps once we have paid out the 10 BTC to advertisers, they will resume the campaign as before.

Dicebitcoin is the one who needs to pay users before you even think about using the escrowed funds.

They stated they aren't going to, hence why I say this is what should happen:

1. Pay out all members for posts made until now (in the next few days)
2. Return all unused funds to dicebitcoin.
3. If dicebitcoin wants to continue their signature campaign they can make a new thread and have people join

This is to avoid the problem of "lack of funds". As of now I have made 350 posts and expect to be paid for most of them (I will count a few off due to a few bump and short posts)
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September 09, 2014, 06:38:01 PM
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Dicebitcoin is the one who needs to pay users before you even think about using the escrowed funds.

They stated they aren't going to, hence why I say this is what should happen:

1. Pay out all members for posts made until now (in the next few days)
2. Return all unused funds to dicebitcoin.
3. If dicebitcoin wants to continue their signature campaign they can make a new thread and have people join

This is to avoid the problem of "lack of funds". As of now I have made 350 posts and expect to be paid for most of them (I will count a few off due to a few bump and short posts)
Yes, they should pay you all, but there is no way to be certain, so we are taking steps to keep everything going.

We talked about our options and we are doing it this way. Also, you won't get paid for more than 200 posts, at least not at the start. We need to ensure that everyone gets paid and the maximum post is 200, such are the rules.
Yes, they stated they would review it case-by-case, but it's likely that we can't do that with the funds we have in our possession.

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September 09, 2014, 06:40:19 PM
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Dicebitcoin is the one who needs to pay users before you even think about using the escrowed funds.

They stated they aren't going to, hence why I say this is what should happen:

1. Pay out all members for posts made until now (in the next few days)
2. Return all unused funds to dicebitcoin.
3. If dicebitcoin wants to continue their signature campaign they can make a new thread and have people join

This is to avoid the problem of "lack of funds". As of now I have made 350 posts and expect to be paid for most of them (I will count a few off due to a few bump and short posts)
Yes, they should pay you all, but there is no way to be certain, so we are taking steps to keep everything going.

We talked about our options and we are doing it this way. Also, you won't get paid for more than 200 posts, at least not at the start. We need to ensure that everyone gets paid and the maximum post is 200, such are the rules.
Yes, they stated they would review it case-by-case, but it's likely that we can't do that with the funds we have in our possession.

No, dicebitcoin has stated it is all in your control now.
Yes, they should pay you all
They will not (from what I understand) come back at the end of the month to pay everyone, hence why I am saying you should pay everyone now and return remaining funds. Whether or not they continue after that is up to them.
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No, dicebitcoin has stated it is all in your control now.
Yes, they should pay you all
They will not (from what I understand) come back at the end of the month to pay everyone, hence why I am saying you should pay everyone now and return remaining funds. Wether or not they continue after that is up to them.
DiceBitco.in has left us pretty specific instructions:

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Note 5: dooglus and bitcoininformation, please proseed with payments for the sig campaign when it expires. You both have from 5 BTC in escrow from me. If people change their signature, or the funds are more than i sent you, you can keep them as a thank you for the service.
Where expiration means that the signature period has ended, which is a whole month. So, people will get paid in +- 21 days.

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September 09, 2014, 06:44:16 PM
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Dicebitcoin is the one who needs to pay users before you even think about using the escrowed funds.

They stated they aren't going to, hence why I say this is what should happen:

1. Pay out all members for posts made until now (in the next few days)
2. Return all unused funds to dicebitcoin.
3. If dicebitcoin wants to continue their signature campaign they can make a new thread and have people join

This is to avoid the problem of "lack of funds". As of now I have made 350 posts and expect to be paid for most of them (I will count a few off due to a few bump and short posts)
Yes, they should pay you all, but there is no way to be certain, so we are taking steps to keep everything going.

We talked about our options and we are doing it this way. Also, you won't get paid for more than 200 posts, at least not at the start. We need to ensure that everyone gets paid and the maximum post is 200, such are the rules.
Yes, they stated they would review it case-by-case, but it's likely that we can't do that with the funds we have in our possession.

No, dicebitcoin has stated it is all in your control now. (Yes, they should pay you all), so they will not (from what I understand) come back at the end of the month to pay everyone, hence why I am saying you should pay everyone now and return remaining funds.

Hmm really this is worrying, not the fact bitcoininformation is not trust worth because I know he is, but if all we have is the escrowed BTC to pay from, almost certainly some will miss out, that maths just don't add up.


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No, dicebitcoin has stated it is all in your control now.
Yes, they should pay you all
They will not (from what I understand) come back at the end of the month to pay everyone, hence why I am saying you should pay everyone now and return remaining funds. Wether or not they continue after that is up to them.
DiceBitco.in has left us pretty specific instructions:

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Note 5: dooglus and bitcoininformation, please proseed with payments for the sig campaign when it expires. You both have from 5 BTC in escrow from me. If people change their signature, or the funds are more than i sent you, you can keep them as a thank you for the service.
Where expiration means that the signature period has ended, which is a whole month. So, people will get paid after 21 days.

I have read and do understand that. The thing is this:

Dicebitcoin escrowed 10BTC in case they will not pay out at the end of the month. They have stated they will not be paying out, therefore escrow funds need to be used. Clearly, the escrow funds are not sufficient to pay everyone out.

If you don't payout now and wait until the end of the month to payout most (not all) posts, they have found a way to get cheaper advertising for the remaining 21 days..
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September 09, 2014, 06:51:37 PM
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I have read and do understand that. The thing is this:

Dicebitcoin escrowed 10BTC in case they will not pay out at the end of the month. They have stated they will not be paying out, therefore escrow funds need to be used. Clearly, the escrow funds are not sufficient to pay everyone out.

If you don't payout now and wait until the end of the month to payout most (not all) posts, they have found a way to get cheaper advertising for the remaining 21 days..
We don't even know if 10BTC isn't enough. People might dropout, because they switched to another campaign (for example the dice.ninja one, since it pays biweekly). Nothing is certain at this moment. If it ends up being not enough, bad luck. I made a contract with DiceBitco.in and I'm going to stick with it (and I am pretty sure that Dooglus will agree with me on this).

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September 09, 2014, 06:58:36 PM
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I have read and do understand that. The thing is this:

Dicebitcoin escrowed 10BTC in case they will not pay out at the end of the month. They have stated they will not be paying out, therefore escrow funds need to be used. Clearly, the escrow funds are not sufficient to pay everyone out.

If you don't payout now and wait until the end of the month to payout most (not all) posts, they have found a way to get cheaper advertising for the remaining 21 days..
We don't even know if 10BTC isn't enough. People might dropout, because they switched to another campaign (for example the dice.ninja one, since it pays biweekly). Nothing is certain at this moment. If it ends up being not enough, bad luck. I made a contract with DiceBitco.in and I'm going to stick with it (and I am pretty sure that Dooglus will agree with me on this).

They made a contract with you yet didnt stick with it.

Could you please update the list of members as people drop out/change signatures? Thanks

And: IF there is btc to spare, will I get paid for all the posts I have made over 200?
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OK, I'm not trying to enforce early closing, seems like you've already made your minds. But few concerns:


I would recommend that everyone who is concerned that DB is a scam should stop wearing the DB signature completely, switch to some other campaign, and at the end of the month we'll pay you out for the 9 days you wore it for.
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Note: If you drop out, we will try to pay you at the end of the campaign. We only have 10BTC and we are not certain if this is enough. Members that stick with the campaign gets paid first, then the ones that dropped out and after that, well, if there is anything left it will be either kept or send back.


So there's no certainty at all whether the early droppers will get paid (anything)? That's inconsistent to what Dooglus said.

Also, by allowing early droppers, you don't stick to the original rules. So all the arguments in favour of sticking to the rules and not ending sooner make no sense.


If the 10BTC isn't enough we will have to figure something out. We haven't worked out a plan for that just yet, since Dooglus had to go on a unexpected road trip.

That's not a rocket science, just pay proportionally. Post the calculation before the payment, so anyone can verify.


In the unlikely event, if there are some funds left, are you going to keep it (as instructed by DB)?

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They made a contract with you yet didnt stick with it.
Well, they currently are sticking with it, since the contract only covers if they pay for the signatures or not. Since it isn't the end of the period yet they, technically, didn't break it. I know it sucks.

Could you please update the list of members as people drop out/change signatures? Thanks
I will in a few hours, so that people have time to see this topic and decide if they want to stick with the signature or not. There are still people popping up that don't know what happened.

And: IF there is btc to spare, will I get paid for all the posts I have made over 200?
Yes, you most likely will. This, however, isn't a guarantee, so please don't kill us if we don't.

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September 09, 2014, 07:09:15 PM
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OK, I'm not trying to enforce early closing, seems like you've already made your minds. But few concerns:


I would recommend that everyone who is concerned that DB is a scam should stop wearing the DB signature completely, switch to some other campaign, and at the end of the month we'll pay you out for the 9 days you wore it for.
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Note: If you drop out, we will try to pay you at the end of the campaign. We only have 10BTC and we are not certain if this is enough. Members that stick with the campaign gets paid first, then the ones that dropped out and after that, well, if there is anything left it will be either kept or send back.

So there's no certainty at all whether the early droppers will get paid (anything)? That's inconsistent to what Dooglus said.
Dooglus calculated that we should have enough in the end to pay for them, but I'm not sure about that. Which is why I added that note. I will talk with him about that as soon as he gets back.

Also, by allowing early droppers, you don't stick to the original rules. So all the arguments in favour of sticking to the rules and not ending sooner make no sense.
Well, you have a point there. I will talk with Dooglus about that as well. I don't want to make decision like that on my own. We decided to do it this way right now, but you have a good, a very good point.

If the 10BTC isn't enough we will have to figure something out. We haven't worked out a plan for that just yet, since Dooglus had to go on a unexpected road trip.

That's not a rocket science, just pay proportionally. Post the calculation before the payment, so anyone can verify.
That is what we most likely do, no need to attack me/us. And we will our calculations, of course. We want everything to be fair.

In the unlikely event, if there are some funds left, are you going to keep it (as instructed by DB)?
I have no fucking clue. Really, I don't know what I would do with it. I would most likely give it to the campaign participants.

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September 09, 2014, 07:09:47 PM
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They made a contract with you yet didnt stick with it.
Well, they currently are sticking with it, since the contract only covers if they pay for the signatures or not. Since it isn't the end of the period yet they, technically, didn't break it. I know it sucks.

Could you please update the list of members as people drop out/change signatures? Thanks
I will in a few hours, so that people have time to see this topic and decide if they want to stick with the signature or not. There are still people popping up that don't know what happened.

And: IF there is btc to spare, will I get paid for all the posts I have made over 200?
Yes, you most likely will. This, however, isn't a guarantee, so please don't kill us if we don't.

Thanks for taking charge in this madness by the way, bitcoininformation! Appreciate it!

I wont kill you and yes I know they haven't broken the contract as of yet.

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Massive fairness from you, bitcoininformation, congratulation !

So, If I want to be paid, I have to wait until the end of the month?


 
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September 09, 2014, 07:35:08 PM
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Massive fairness from you, bitcoininformation, congratulation !

So, If I want to be paid, I have to wait until the end of the month?
Thank you. Dooglus and I are doing everything we can to makes this a smooth ride.

And yes, just wait till the end of this month to get paid.

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good to see that this will continue

what will you do after the campaign is over and there is some money left?

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September 09, 2014, 08:27:17 PM
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good to see that this will continue

what will you do after the campaign is over and there is some money left?
I already answered that question:

In the unlikely event, if there are some funds left, are you going to keep it (as instructed by DB)?
I have no fucking clue. Really, I don't know what I would do with it. I would most likely give it to the campaign participants.

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