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[yxt]

What is with the icarus-trade-in-boards shipped to china?

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[dogie]

240w for the technobit miner (400gh) anyone else do anything with these chips?

They'll be an Avalon 4 unit retailing very soon.

[Rabinovitch]

When? I need 8-10 of them now. I am ready to buy. 

[ManeBjorn]

Very soon. :-)

When? I need 8-10 of them now. I am ready to buy. 

[dogie]

Hello all,

Canaan Creative has employed me to help liaise with the community and later provide technical support. They have done this in order to help provide:

1) timely technical support
2) provide better feedback (if I don't know, I can find out from the people within CC who will)
3) provide product and sales input from you guys directly into the company. If something is going wrong, YOU can fix it
4) provide native English press releases.

This is a paid position, however it will in no way affect my independence or freedom in being critical towards Canaan Creative outside of this thread. My contract specifically stipulates:

Dogie will speak on behalf of Canaan Creative and will not criticize CC in these threads. Dogie still reserves the right to criticize CC in his other threads. Both parties acknowledge that this relationship has no impact whatsoever on CC’s rating or standing in “Dogie’s ‘Manufacturer Trustworthiness” thread.

This means I won't sit here and reply to every post saying CC is a scam, don't buy from CC etc etc, in this thread. It does NOT prohibit me from saying that in my own threads, if that is what I believe. It also has absolutely no impact on their rating in the Manufacturer trustworthiness thread.

[stan258]

Hello all,

Canaan Creative has employed me to help liaise with the community and later provide technical support. They have done this in order to help provide:

1) timely technical support
2) provide better feedback (if I don't know, I can find out from the people within CC who will)
3) provide product and sales input from you guys directly into the company. If something is going wrong, YOU can fix it
4) provide native English press releases.

This is a paid position, however it will in no way affect my independence or freedom in being critical towards Canaan Creative outside of this thread. My contract specifically stipulates:

Dogie will speak on behalf of Canaan Creative and will not criticize CC in these threads. Dogie still reserves the right to criticize CC in his other threads. Both parties acknowledge that this relationship has no impact whatsoever on CC’s rating or standing in “Dogie’s ‘Manufacturer Trustworthiness” thread.

This means I won't sit here and reply to every post saying CC is a scam, don't buy from CC etc etc, in this thread. It does NOT prohibit me from saying that in my own threads, if that is what I believe. It also has absolutely no impact on their rating in the Manufacturer trustworthiness thread.

Give us something to buy please? if not today when?

Edit... Dogie can they use something other then DHL to ship?

[Blazed]

Avoid this scam company....new name does not make the past disappear.

[dogie]

Give us something to buy please? if not today when?

Edit... Dogie can they use something other then DHL to ship?

At some point in November.

[yxt]

What is with the icarus-trade-in-boards shipped to china?

[dogie]

What is with the icarus-trade-in-boards shipped to china?

This isn't Avalon, although I don't think we're going to agree on this.

[yxt]

Please explain why it is not Avalon.

[Xian01]

Avoid this scam company....new name does not make the past disappear.

In retrospect, I'm not sure who the bigger asshole is. Yifu or ngzhang.

Both have shown contempt towards the community and it's customers. As tempting as these products are, I hope people ignore them on principle.

Avalon have fucked over Bitcoiners so incredibly badly, I'm surprised they haven't burnt the name and rebranded entirely.

[Blazed]

Yes I am amazed they did not rename too...
If HashFast FailFast renamed and had in stock gear are they also forgiven?

[dogie]

Please explain why it is not Avalon.

Avalon was a company run and owned by Yifu - he and that company are the ones that took preorders. Canaan Creative is a company owned and run by ngzhang. Your disagreement is with Avalon. [To avoid any further confusion, 'Avalon' is also used as a product name, ie Avalon4.]

If I or anyone else knew where Yifu ended up, I'd tell you.

[yxt]

I shipped my icarus board to avalon, not to Yifu!
Any prove that the company was owned  by Yifu alone?
You often post your personal views in a manner as if they were facts.

Bitsyncom(Yifu Guo) have left Avalon project, right now the Avalon project running by Canaan Creative, Ltd., (founded by   ngzhang) Locate Beijing China.

I don't think Yifu left the projekt with my board in his pocket.

[jimrome]

Yes I am amazed they did not rename too...
If HashFast FailFast renamed and had in stock gear are they also forgiven?

Ignorant comparison, seriously people why don't you familiarize yourselves with the a situation before opening your yaps?

One more time people: Different crew, different product, and different company. IMO Canaan's only mistake has been to keep an association with the Avalon name.

The only real similarity to the two is their open source model (read: non-thieving). IMO Yifu's only positive contribution to the bitcoin-circus was his promotion of this ideal.

[dropt]

One more time people: Different crew, different product, and different company. IMO Canaan's only mistake has been to keep an association with the Avalon name.

Yifu was the face of Bitsyncom.  We don't actually know who else was behind the scenes other than ngzhang, who is also a part of Canaan.  So in reality, we don't know enough to say whether it's the same group or not, nor who was at fault for what happened with the original Avalons.

[marto74]

@ dropt
precise and balanced as always .

My personal experience with Avalon project :
1. Avalon 1 -  a few months delay GB and miners  with a lot of drama and troubles
2. Avalon 2 chips - best service @ the time from all chip suppliers
3. Avalon 3 - 1 month delay in chips sales lunch and then it was too late for the chip in terms of efficiency. But all the present big producers/farms in china were online and hashing already
4. Avalon 4  we jsut finishing the project will see where it goes .
Since 2 gen of chips communication, support and delivery were always spot on 

[Xian01]

One more time people: Different crew, different product, and different company. IMO Canaan's only mistake has been to keep an association with the Avalon name.

ngzhang != Different crew

[dogie]

I shipped my icarus board to avalon, not to Yifu! Any prove that the company was owned  by Yifu alone? You often post your personal views in a manner as if they were facts. I don't think Yifu left the projekt with my board in his pocket.

This is the official line, its not my 'personal view'. However its also what I've said for months and months and months.

I think we should be asking do you have any proof that Avalon was NOT owned/run/founded by Yifu, otherwise you're saying everyone is guilty until they prove evidence otherwise. You may have shipped your product to Avalon, but who retained the money from them? Yifu.

Ngzhang raised his own funds and started from scratch, entirely separate from Yifu. Again, if you have a problem with trade ins then you need to find Yifu and sue him. Chasing Canaan Creative (24 months) after is like me spamming your shop thread because Canary owes me a miner [which he doesn't, theoretical].